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[Tadpole]

<copy of news article from NZCity>

<the link to it is given, although Jackson may delete it>
<the link won't last forever anyway>

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=43290

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Too soon, says Prostitutes Collective

Prostitutes Collective believes it is too soon to say whether sex has moved from the city and into the suburbs
19 September 2004

The Prostitutes Collective believes it is too soon to say whether sex has moved from the city and into the suburbs.

At least 12 Auckland brothels have closed since prostitution was decriminalised last year. Brothel owners claim sex workers are now operating from home and recruitment is becoming impossible.

Prostitutes Collective spokeswoman Catherine Healey says it is too early to know what effect the new law has had on the industry.

She says that brothel owners must become more flexible to remain competitive and not make prostitutes work long shifts.

Catherine Healey says for too long brothel owners have had all the power in the industry. She says if the long-term effects of decriminalisation leads to more power for sex workers, she will be happy.

Auckland mayor John Banks says he is certainly not losing sleep if Auckland brothels are going bust.

Mr Banks says Auckland is a family city and he will continue to make it difficult for brothels to operate in the CBD.

He says he would rather see sex workers operating discreetly from the suburbs than from brothels in the central city.

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As far as I'm concerned, the more the ladies are running things the better, but it will be interesting to see if there's an upsurge in 'private' providers, and how good the service is.
Currently the only advantages (for the girls) to parlor work are :
Protection - there's muscle nearby if a punter is a prick
Company - there's other SW to learn from and talk to
Drivers - handy for escort work, and also double as minders.
No responsibility for the premises / rent / power.

Girls working from the suburbs are most likely to be in 'teams' and using rented premises that they do not live in.

[Tadpole]

Bareback is risky! There's no denying it.

There are 2000 people in NZ regretting bareback (or IV drugs), and tens of MILLIONS worldwide regretting bareback.

Yeah, I'd love to enjoy pussy without a barrier, but I also want to enjoy another 30 years of reasonable health. You take your choices and your chances, but once-to-often is a choice you can die from.

If you're 75 what the hell does it matter, but if you're 25, then you've got a hell of a lot to lose.

[FX Guy]

How do you find a chick to do that? I would think it would be extremly risky for both.

[Swordsman]

Hey, they do use condoms for BJ. Only Harry goes for the ones that give bareback everything. He'll tell you so himself. Sometimes I might find someone who gives BBBJ. Best bet is go private if you want Bareback actions.

[FX Guy]

I have been to Amsterdam and costa Rica..while the hookers in Amsterdam are way hotter in costa rica. The money goes further for a session and you can do basicaly what you want for the hour. How is New Zealand compared to these 2 places?, I notice the New Zealand women dont use rubbers for bjs isn't that against polocy. Everyone I was with always used a condom, do you just ask them to not? Seems odd Where would one say the BEST legal hookers could be found as far as performance?

Thanks

[OttoGraham]

New Zealand prostitutes get 'How To' guide

The New Zealand government, having taken the step of legalising prostitution, has now issued a guide for sex workers.

The 100-page Occupational Safety and Health guide to safe sex practices has been launched on a government website with the caution: "Warning: this document contains sexually explicit material".

The recommendations - which the New Zealand Herald said Saturday will also be distributed to brothels and sex workers - include detailed advice on safe sex practices such as the storage and handling of sex toys and disinfecting equipment.

Employers are asked to ensure condoms in a variety of shapes and sizes are always available, and to provide beds that support the back for a variety of services to be performed without strain or discomfort.

Sex workers are cautioned to watch out for occupational overuse syndrome, often caused by rapid repetitive tasks or forceful movements, and to carry a small torch in case they need to check clients for sexually transmitted diseases.

Comprehensive training of staff in the safe use of all equipment, particularly for fantasy work, is also recommended.

Since last year's prostitution reform legislation, the New Zealand government has also issued a "how to" guide for anyone wishing to set up a brothel.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=qw1091360343464N245

[Subhuman]

Could someone offer advice on how we could get our laws changed in Canada?

Our current situation sounds very similar to New Zealand before decriminalization, yet politicians are afraid of the subject and the media ignores it. I've written letters to politicians and newspapers, but one guy can't make much difference on his own.

The only Member of Parliament to express interest in changing the laws is Vancouver area MP Libby Davies. Hopefully she could be like Tim Barnett in New Zealand and convince others of the need for change.

[Mr Travel]

Jackson,

I wonder if I am allowed to post the websites of massage parlours in NZ to assist my fellow Kiwis and as a guide for international vistors?

Regards

Mr Travel

[Richard1]

Since 1996 there has been a substantial drop in the number of people with HIV/AIDS who have died. In the three years to December 2002 only ten AIDS deaths were reported in New Zealand. (NZ AIDS foundation)

I doubt there is anything wrong with your statistics though because they are from the Ministry of Health, so maybe there are a fair number of deaths due to complications of other diseases or maybe it is a different accounting method.
Or it could jsut be the different accounting method and the major difference due to the fact that it is just a waiting game for many of the people on aids that the drugs are currently prolonging. (improving drugs have delayed the deaths of aids patients creating a "gap" in the death statistics that with current treatments will not continue forever)

Anyway, I don’t want anyone to think unprotected sex with prostitutes is not a major risk.

[Tadpole]

HIV deaths in NZ

A recent news article indirectly revealled that one in 200 deaths in 1997 were due to unsafe sex (what else other than AIDS).

It's likely that some of those infections occurred overseas, but the realitly remains that HIV is here, and is killing Kiwis.

Take care folks.

Also 1 in 200 were due to drug use.
2% were road deaths
2.5% were from violence
3% from alcohol
6% from insufficient fruit and veg consumption
18% from smoking

The biggie is lack of exercise and poor diet combined, almost 40% of deaths

Diet basically accounted for 30% of deaths
Exercise (lack of) the other 10%

Blood pressure = 13%
Obesity = 11.5%
Poverty = 17%
Cholesterol = 17%

[California Guru]

150USD or even more if it is a nice quiet safe place. Which suburbs would be the best and is there a complex you would recommend?

Is the Bay of Plenty worth considering?

Thanks,

Cal Guru

[Richard1]

What sort of budget are you looking at?

As I expect is true in california there are lots of inner city apartments that would be close to a "red light district". However in a place like Auckland the red light district can be just around the corner from the main shopping and business area and the best inner city living.

maybe $150 USD per week for a cheap but tidy innercity apartment Prices go up from there. Just look and see what is available when you are here via an agency like "harcourts" or in a paper.

[California Guru]

I need a recommendation for best place for an extended stay in New Zealand (or Australia) during Oct thru Apr. I'm retired so I'm interested in a quiet and safe apartment within proximity to good pooning and fun places to hang out.

Thanks,

Cal Guru

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[kissmeallover]

Prostitution has not be legalised in New Zealand, it has been decriminalised, which is not quite the same thing. For many years prostition was not so much illegal & the only action police sometimes took the action of arresting someone for soliciting. But this wasn't common.

To my knowlegdge, no one has ever been arrested for picking up a prostitue (unlike America which has back to front laws where you can shoot an intruder dead in your home but get arrested for picking up a prostitute). The police took little notice of this activity unless it involved a public nusiance or drug related activity.

Brothels have always been illegal but it has been many years since any action was taken on a brothel. They were all called "massage parlours" and this was OK, at least from a prosection point of view. Massage parlour have been around for about 30 years. The only action that I know of was the police along with immigration making a raid on a parlour that contained a large number of Thai working girls. They seem to be the largest number of overseas sex workers in New Zealand, with many of them being her over their visa. Most only had a visitor visa and not a work permit.

Now the girls, (Guy & lady boys) cannot be arrested for soliciting as it is no longer a crime.

In my activity, which has involved all forms of working girls over a period of 30 years, I have never had a problem with the police.