What Country has the Best Women for LTR?

[Jon32]

Just got done watching an American show where the guy was drooling all over this Romanian girl...

poor guy, probably some of the biggest gold diggers live in Romania!

I feel bad for Americans, they know so little about the world.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

How do you figure leaving the Kuntry is cheaper? You have to buy a roundtrip flight and those tickets are not so cheap any more plus the exit fee. Phil is no bargain any more-electric rates are high and so are many processed foods.

I really feel sorry for these poor women who have to live in Phil. No wonder they are all trying to get out.

I'm in the Philippines right now and I just returned from a travel agency in order to extend my 21 days; I paid 3600 pesos, which at today's crappy exchange rate, is almost $82 USD. And this was only for a 38 day extension! Granted, I paid 400 pesos or so for the agency to do it, but even if I went down to the immigration office myself, it still would have been about 3200 pesos, and an entire day wasted.

It's cheaper to just buy a low-cost flight to Thailand or Malaysia on a low-budget carrier than to pay these visa fees, but then you have to leave the country every 21 days, and don't forget the 750 peso ($17 USD) exit fee everytime you leave the country. Insane!

It sure seems like it.

Oh well, it's still better than being back in America. Ha!

[Ezinho]

Visa fees are now over $50 USD every 2 months- a real ripoff.

I'm in the Philippines right now and I just returned from a travel agency in order to extend my 21 days; I paid 3600 pesos, which at today's crappy exchange rate, is almost $82 USD. And this was only for a 38 day extension! Granted, I paid 400 pesos or so for the agency to do it, but even if I went down to the immigration office myself, it still would have been about 3200 pesos, and an entire day wasted.

It's cheaper to just buy a low-cost flight to Thailand or Malaysia on a low-budget carrier than to pay these visa fees, but then you have to leave the country every 21 days, and don't forget the 750 peso ($17 USD) exit fee everytime you leave the country. Insane!

The entire Country's attitude towards foreigners is pick them up, turn them upside down, shake hard, empty their pockets, then get them on the next plane back to the USA. That's the gov. modus operandi.

It sure seems like it.

Oh well, it's still better than being back in America. Ha!

[DJ FourMoney]

Gents,

I just paid my membership yesterday, after been reading some of the great (and a few less than great) reports on this site.

I am from Scandinavia (sorry if some spelling/grammer is not perfect), but have lived in few other countries in East and Southern Europe for the last 20 years.

I am getting near 50, and I have for the last 25 years travelled a lot around for business, golf and women.

In my younger days I enjoyed quantity for quality (did also not have to much money), and I have had many great hours in Pattaya and Angel City, and of course not least Ukraine and Russia in the 1990's.

I am today much happier with places like Hyatt BKK, with a Spasso Night Club in the Basement, or a 5 star Hotel near NightFlight in Moscow, or usually in Kiev, where sadly River Palace is now closed. I also enjoy staying in a great Hotel near Puerto Banus in Spain, and pick girls up from Navy Bar, even though stadard of women has gone down a bit, I still like the concept.

So in a few words I like to pick up girls/women at decent quality clubs, and bring them home to a very good Hotel room - even if the price for girl could be 2-300 $, it's ok since girls often appreciate coming to a nice Hotel room and perform accordingly.

I am very happy to give more info on some og the above places, but I suspect that a lot of you already know them very well.

I am however looking for some advice of other places around the world, where you can take girls into 5 star Hotels, and pick them up at nearby Quality Clubs.
The geography is not really important, as long as there is also a few golf courses nearby, I will always find an excuse to go.

Thanks for any recommendation.

Welcome aboard, but I think this post belongs in the STR thread.

This thread is for poor saps like me that want to find women for LTR (Long Term Relationships)

[J Audiq7]

Gents,

I just paid my membership yesterday, after been reading some of the great (and a few less than great) reports on this site.

I am from Scandinavia (sorry if some spelling/grammer is not perfect), but have lived in few other countries in East and Southern Europe for the last 20 years.

I am getting near 50, and I have for the last 25 years travelled a lot around for business, golf and women.

In my younger days I enjoyed quantity for quality (did also not have to much money), and I have had many great hours in Pattaya and Angel City, and of course not least Ukraine and Russia in the 1990's.

I am today much happier with places like Hyatt BKK, with a Spasso Night Club in the Basement, or a 5 star Hotel near NightFlight in Moscow, or usually in Kiev, where sadly River Palace is now closed. I also enjoy staying in a great Hotel near Puerto Banus in Spain, and pick girls up from Navy Bar, even though stadard of women has gone down a bit, I still like the concept.

So in a few words I like to pick up girls/women at decent quality clubs, and bring them home to a very good Hotel room - even if the price for girl could be 2-300 $, it's ok since girls often appreciate coming to a nice Hotel room and perform accordingly.

I am very happy to give more info on some og the above places, but I suspect that a lot of you already know them very well.

I am however looking for some advice of other places around the world, where you can take girls into 5 star Hotels, and pick them up at nearby Quality Clubs.
The geography is not really important, as long as there is also a few golf courses nearby, I will always find an excuse to go.

Thanks for any recommendation.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Have a look at the Argentina forum. A lot of mongers from US living there on a permanent way renewing their visa with a day trip to Colonia/Uruguay when needed.

http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/

I will take a look thanks. But in many years of searching it is difficult to find a very cheap country that does not have other negatives. If I was not on Social Security, I would choose Nam or Cambodia most likely. China is also a good choice except for the language. Thats the only advantage to the Phil. the official gov/biz language is English and most speak a rudimentary form of it.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

You got that impression from "fees"?

When Belarus actually tried some legislation a few years ago aimed directly at Western Men?

This board is dead I believe for a few reasons. One reason is most of the men are already married. Another is that others have been burned by divorce and only seek STR. Other still are WM (Western Men) that for whatever reasons are unhappy dating at home and prostitution is illegal - I raise my hand...

So America is "Sex Prison" in more ways than one. I am dabbling in P4P/STR only as a stop gap to LTR.

I would share what I know about either country, but I only have limited experience with Mexico and wider experience with Western Europe and tiny bit of Eastern Europe.

There are plenty of Phips in the Los Angeles area and a large Asian population in California for that matter. I don't see much advantage to going to the source. If you plan is to live somewhere else to get a more favorable standard of living then going local makes sense I suppose.

Have you considered Costa Rica or Colombia? Seems to have more American expat activity these days.

Once they are in this Kuntry (usa), they all become Americanized, or the vast majority do. The exception is if they are illegal and trying to legalize, then they still need an American man.

Costa Rica and to a lesser extend Colombia is more expensive to live, more than I want to spend. I am looking at Nam, Cambodia, dirt cheap places like that, but there is a problem I cannot collect my social security there. Colombia might be worth a shot if you can stay out of cities and areas that are high in violence, which is hard to do in many cities there I think.

Yes, if you study the Phil, as I have for several years, you will no doubt come to the same conclusion I have. The entire Country's attitude towards foreigners is pick them up, turn them upside down, shake hard, empty their pockets, then get them on the next plane back to the USA. That's the gov. modus operandi.

Thanks for your reply.

[El Greco]

Was planning on Phil due to the sweetness of Filipinas on chat.

BUT:

Have a look at the Argentina forum. A lot of mongers from US living there on a permanent way renewing their visa with a day trip to Colonia/Uruguay when needed.

http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/

[DJ FourMoney]

You got that impression from "fees"?

When Belarus actually tried some legislation a few years ago aimed directly at Western Men?

This board is dead I believe for a few reasons. One reason is most of the men are already married. Another is that others have been burned by divorce and only seek STR. Other still are WM (Western Men) that for whatever reasons are unhappy dating at home and prostitution is illegal - I raise my hand...

So America is "Sex Prison" in more ways than one. I am dabbling in P4P/STR only as a stop gap to LTR.

I would share what I know about either country, but I only have limited experience with Mexico and wider experience with Western Europe and tiny bit of Eastern Europe.

There are plenty of Phips in the Los Angeles area and a large Asian population in California for that matter. I don't see much advantage to going to the source. If you plan is to live somewhere else to get a more favorable standard of living then going local makes sense I suppose.

Have you considered Costa Rica or Colombia? Seems to have more American expat activity these days.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

This board is really dead. Just also learned Phil is not tacking on another requirement with additional fees for extending your visa. They definitely are trying to discourage foreigners from coming there and taking their women.

Was planning on Phil due to the sweetness of Filipinas on chat.

BUT:

Phil is still experienced power blackouts on a regular basis-that means no air cond and not fan unless your in a high end hotel with backup generator. Climate sucks, hot and humid most everywhere.

Visa fees are now over $50 USD every 2 months- a real ripoff.

Filipina sweetness is often cloaked conniving scheming type of sweetness, iow fake. Known as the scam center of the world.

Aifares from Western USA now over 1 grand. Visa requirements are flakey and confusing.

Cannot own land or business there as a foreigner, the whole Country seems designed to pick you upside down empty your pockets and get you out.

Advantages, most speak pidgin English with educated doing better.

Many Central American countries have longer visa allowances up to 3 months, much lower visa fees.

Women not as phoney as Filipinas, imo, least the ones on chat.

Do not speak English, a major barrier.

Not sure on land or biz laws, probably equally difficult there.

More expensive than Phil, but not by much. History of being more violent than other regions. Airfares less than to Phil but still quite high.

Mexico-can get up to 6 months on visa as USA citizen. Substancially more expensive than Phil or C. A. Quality of poon is poor often, but if you're selective you can do ok. Can find areas with relatively good climate. Serious problem with violence due to recent drug war activity, not just in border towns. Cheaper to get their option for bus or air travel.

Anyone lived in more than one of these regions/countries that care to add to this? I have been all over Mexico, but never lived there to extended periods. You have to be careful where you walk and what you eat.

All three regions highly corrupt and you're likely to be a target if you're not careful as a white foreigner.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Was planning on Phil due to the sweetness of Filipinas on chat.

BUT:

Phil is still experienced power blackouts on a regular basis-that means no air cond and not fan unless your in a high end hotel with backup generator. Climate sucks, hot and humid most everywhere.

Visa fees are now over $50 USD every 2 months- a real ripoff.

Filipina sweetness is often cloaked conniving scheming type of sweetness, iow fake. Known as the scam center of the world.

Aifares from Western USA now over 1 grand. Visa requirements are flakey and confusing.

Cannot own land or business there as a foreigner, the whole Country seems designed to pick you upside down empty your pockets and get you out.

Advantages, most speak pidgin English with educated doing better.

Many Central American countries have longer visa allowances up to 3 months, much lower visa fees.

Women not as phoney as Filipinas, imo, least the ones on chat.

Do not speak English, a major barrier.

Not sure on land or biz laws, probably equally difficult there.

More expensive than Phil, but not by much. History of being more violent than other regions. Airfares less than to Phil but still quite high.

Mexico-can get up to 6 months on visa as USA citizen. Substancially more expensive than Phil or C. A. Quality of poon is poor often, but if you're selective you can do ok. Can find areas with relatively good climate. Serious problem with violence due to recent drug war activity, not just in border towns. Cheaper to get their option for bus or air travel.

Anyone lived in more than one of these regions/countries that care to add to this? I have been all over Mexico, but never lived there to extended periods. You have to be careful where you walk and what you eat.

All three regions highly corrupt and you're likely to be a target if you're not careful as a white foreigner.

[DJ FourMoney]

Thanks. When I said easy I mean easy to get girl for dating or maybe for one night stand up and etc. And which place to go to find girls in Kiev?

112 (is it still open?), Shooters and Caribbean. There some upscale places you can find more info on in the Ukraine, Kiev forum. I know one is Decadence.

The first three places are the ones you are likely to find women open to foreign men and maybe a few "part-timers", at least that's my experience on both accounts.

GT is right about the other ways to meet women depending on your needs. River Palace is hard to beat. Not sure what the case is now since there's been a crackdown or bust. Best is to search the Kiev forum for information and other places you might be able to find P4P services in Kiev.

For LTR (Which is why I assume you posted here), there plenty of ways you can go about it. If you need your hand held through the whole process, you might want to visit one of the Anti-Scam sites and use one of the recommended American (based or ran) or UK based agencies.

If your more of a DIY type, you can use Lucky Lovers. I highly recommend it.

There's another more personalized service I can put you onto and its quite a bit less expensive than agencies like A Foreign Affair and the guy is an American who also Russian and speaks Fluent Russian. He uses the regular personals sites and Facebook type sites that would intimate most because you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and they aren't looking for foreign men.

That's how he found his wife six years ago after being married to an American Woman.

Ask nicely and he has put some videos up on You Tube, I'll throw you a link.

[Jake Vio]

Ukraine/Kiev is easy and safe.

Easy because you probably don't need a visa and there are lots of opportunities for someone who doesn't speak the language (of course much better opportunities for someone who does!) and there are many organized and well publicized mechanisms for western guys to meet EE girls, be they pros, semis or freebies. And Ukraine is cheaper than Russia (or Moscow at least). Maybe Moldova is cheaper still, I don't know, but is probably harder for a newbie to figure out. For a newbie I think Kiev is the place to start.

Thanks. When I said easy I mean easy to get girl for dating or maybe for one night stand up and etc. And which place to go to find girls in Kiev?

[Gentleman Travel]

I want to go a country in eastern europe for dating some girls, but don't know which country are pretty much easy and safe?

Kiev? Or Moldavia?

Or any idea?

Ukraine/Kiev is easy and safe.
Easy because you probably don't need a visa and there are lots of opportunities for someone who doesn't speak the language (of course much better opportunities for someone who does!) and there are many organized and well publicized mechanisms for western guys to meet EE girls, be they pros, semis or freebies. And Ukraine is cheaper than Russia (or Moscow at least). Maybe Moldova is cheaper still, I don't know, but is probably harder for a newbie to figure out. For a newbie I think Kiev is the place to start.

[Jake Vio]

I want to go a country in eastern europe for dating some girls, but don't know which country are pretty much easy and safe?

Kiev? Or Moldavia?

Or any idea?