What Country has the Best Women for LTR?

[The Tall Man]

you rock "it travel!!! wow you got me thinking of eu instead of south america.

thanks, the tall man

at the moment, if you have enough money, one of the best place for nice ltr is kiev and of course all the fsu, but with different grades. in kiev i found (and fucked) at least 15 really nice and intriguing girls under 28… doing more than i could imagine.

what i intend for a long time relation? may be a weekend together mostly getting around, relaxing and doing sex. enjoyed very much the jacuzzi dining and all the games with katya and nastya last summer, and of course ivol and her beauty in 2007…

a well accepted one/two days sponsor ship economic compensation (as they say) is 300 usd a day, lower for next days and lower if the girls are more than one… but sometimes got two for 300 and some sushi (still remember a wonderful curvy petite brunetka… arrived with a blonde), or got some for free. but you need a lot of homework. there is no real rule!

what takes me to the decision for kiev is quite simple. nice town, no hassle visa free (for eu citizens at least), not russian style ovir registration. nice food supply, nice apartments. of course every little town 200 km more far will be much cheaper, but you are usually in a shit hole, and all the girls want to kiev. there is the other reason, the main one, that i love this pale white skinned [CodeWord901] looking blondinkas or red ones… getting wet in two minutes. really naïve!

there seems to be no shortage on studentkas in need for some cash so the change over is quick, but what is fun is that you can keep in touch for years with the same pro (or non pro) and getting her ready for when you just come (no time loosing) did so with [CodeWord901] (imho still the benchmark of bbbj, cim cum slurping…) and mystery tramp (both pro), and doing so now with nastya and tigressa (both amateurs).

what i like is this “sponsorette” system. i remember i told it before, but i’m not for quickies or for hourly sex, or dragging girls from a lap table. my basic standard is a two days sponsoring… if i like the attitude of the girl i may be keep her for more time, or a comeback, if i do not, i’ll kick her off the first morning with a stupid excuse… no one looses too much. and all are happy. by the way i feel real differences form the short hot summer and the winter (more girls in winter, more students, may be not always free, but…). somebody says no sunbath weather… but i never failed to get some nice hot body in my bed when out it’s snowing. may be not perfect, but…

so a fuck and a pop is just like taking a taxi…
an overnighter is like renting a car…
a sponsorette is like renting a car with a driver…

the girl knows well that you can kick her off and want to get as much $$ as possible, so she will do almost all what you want… mostly including all these nice things: anal, bbbj, cim, cof, hard photos, taking a girlfriend, etc. etc.
what is also turning me on vey very much is that i started with normal 20-28 girls range, like those you find at rp or everywhere, like in russia. but in the last times i am trying going down with the age. maybe it’s me that getting closer to 50 are more fascinated from 18/19/20 y.o. not beauties, but let’s say 5/8 those that knows that if they go to rp, or arena or whatever do not have more than 50% of possibilities to get laid.
cheaper and surely more energetic. the worse i sponsored was a former porn star (did not know my self but seniors here recognized her), nice looking, soft and perfect, the body of a sex machine, but like a log in the bed… outcasted in the morning! these 18-19 instead fuck like rabbits.

still remember an episode, not in kiev, but in moscow, and the philosophy is the same. found a nice student on omen.ru, met her (19) in a bar, and agreed for a long weekend at the next trip (just a month later) friday evening, monday morning in my hotel, she just showed up as nice as possible the month after, just filled 20 when i was home. nearly a teen. soft and blonde (20/170/73/d cups some time i like young flesh too, not only skinny ones). on friday afternoon after registering, agreeing on no sex photos, etc, she just started riding me like a rabbit… and the real funs started… she was kissing, cuddling, licking, sucking, and at the end made a fabulous bbbj + cim + swallowing, and when my best friend was happy, soft and clean, she just put her head on my chest saying: tasty! in general she was not more than a 5 in body and 6 in face, but just what i wanted then and gfe was close to 10. swallowed most of my loads. and all for a little bit more than 400 usd for the long sponsoring! you could get her for 700/week or so… only a regret no anal.
when i sponsored inga, 2007, a 20 y.o. engineering student she could not imagine what was on… but she did all i asked for… and was really nice, a pity that she is gone. when i say thet they are ofted deep wet it's not a joke the kind of things i love, maybe somebody here did nor read me before, is getting a naive like inga, anally plugged (the biggest i found) to arean bar in kiev, of course no sofas but stool at the bar! se was so wet tha she dipped her jeans... you can see here how wet... of course she got immediately railed!
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=104

one of the best thing you can do is getting girls directly out of the town.. let’s say in the area of 100/200 km even more. select your preferred after deep chat, get a couple (at least) of back ups, and then go there for a coffee or tea (i travel by bus or train, cheap and easy) and take her back home and fuck the eyeballs out of her skull! have one on the way… not a beauty (for sure) 18/158/55/c ready to take the bus herself to kiev (a couple of hours, i know even where it stops in her city she was very surprised) for a noon meal, if she is as in picture (naïve and homegrown) she will be my dessert.

some are just killing you only with the look… you know you see these long haired long legged blondes 18/175/55 or so, some looks that have may be ended playing with dolls a year ago (do not think so the start fucking very early) and seems porn stars now an may be are just 18 since a couple of months… some are so openly on the market that on occupation they write…. Блондинка… some even write Массажистка (massage girl!) of course there are fake photos and pro ads, but once you understand how it works it’s quite easy to understand how to do. generally the part after the slash in mamba or flirt is a simple gdhweuikdhgemkl or a such thing if it’s a temporary announcement just for a day or two, if you find a thing like http://flirt.com.ua/maximum_2/ that means usually that the girl has a permanent ad. usually those have home made medium quality photos… when you se model types usually fakes. in the specific case a nice soft freckled reddish 19/170/65 that i hope i can properly treat (like inga!). she has that normal, home grown girl aspect that i love… and soft ones are very good for rude sex.

the funny thing is that some that do not advertize openly for sex are there just for that, it’s enough to see the photos. some do not wand sponsorship but a vacation in exchange of sex, those are usually available… some want to see a picture (of yourself) and/or may be meet you first in neutral area like a bar or so. and they do not consider themselves as who*res

the only real problem is that some time the girls just stays on the dating (sponsoring) sites for some days, some time they just disappear or do not answer. so you have to put some home work.

if i was wealthy enough definitely i would hunt for long term teens (max 20 y.o.) to sponsor (months having a group of 5-6), check them for std and go for all i can imagine (and i have a lot of imagination!). i know some guys doing this in kiev. i’m really envious.

i post here 8 pics (and a link to other ten including a nice teen doing anal… and some home made russian movies, the two lesbian fsu teens are, i suppose, what most of us want in the bed…) and two of nastya, on ad and in reality (photographed by my self).
for several reasons i believe that the photo posted are real (not stolen from a model site) of course no guarantee that what comes home is what in picture, but usually it’s so.

pic 001, 006 and 007 are close to an heart attack! all girls 18-22 in central ua… i’ll keep contacts with nastya, 24/176/67 (she claims) but i know 24/178/70/a-b tits with puffy nipples. always masturbating and wet close to a ninfomanka…
i put the link to the other teen photos
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1282

i post also the link to the 80 or so pics that the piglets in pic 007 have on line, some naked, some in a round ¾ place round jacuzzi, some winter photo where you see the pale white skin of both, just 19… in kharkov, worth a trip!
http://flirt.com.ua/masik50/

at the end why kiev and not cheaper pattaya or asia? simple, one of the thing i love is relaxing muffdiving in the pink and you find proper pink only with pale white skinned girls (preferably blonde or red ones…)
just 2 cents

it

ps by the way if the short and soft [CodeWord901] looking girl in pic 005/006 gets a heart formed lollipop…. i could die

from next days have a lot of work so will stay off for a while.... nice hunt to all.

[It Travel]

There is another reason for going to Asia instead of Kiev - the language.

How many of the girls in Kiev speak English? 1% or less?

Around 5-10%, much more for the univeristy students, like everywhere, but I do not care, I speak Russian, so...

IT

[Bigcebu]

There is another reason for going to Asia instead of Kiev - the language.

How many of the girls in Kiev speak English? 1% or less?

[It Travel]

at the moment, if you have enough money, one of the best place for nice ltr is kiev and of course all the fsu, but with different grades. in kiev i found (and fucked) at least 15 really nice and intriguing girls under 28… doing more than i could imagine.

what i intend for a long time relation? may be a weekend together mostly getting around, relaxing and doing sex. enjoyed very much the jacuzzi dining and all the games with katya and nastya last summer, and of course ivol and her beauty in 2007…

a well accepted one/two days sponsor ship economic compensation (as they say) is 300 usd a day, lower for next days and lower if the girls are more than one… but sometimes got two for 300 and some sushi (still remember a wonderful curvy petite brunetka… arrived with a blonde), or got some for free. but you need a lot of homework. there is no real rule!

what takes me to the decision for kiev is quite simple. nice town, no hassle visa free (for eu citizens at least), not russian style ovir registration. nice food supply, nice apartments. of course every little town 200 km more far will be much cheaper, but you are usually in a shit hole, and all the girls want to kiev. there is the other reason, the main one, that i love this pale white skinned [CodeWord901] looking blondinkas or red ones… getting wet in two minutes. really naïve!

there seems to be no shortage on studentkas in need for some cash so the change over is quick, but what is fun is that you can keep in touch for years with the same pro (or non pro) and getting her ready for when you just come (no time loosing) did so with [CodeWord901] (imho still the benchmark of bbbj, cim cum slurping…) and mystery tramp (both pro), and doing so now with nastya and tigressa (both amateurs).

what i like is this “sponsorette” system. i remember i told it before, but i’m not for quickies or for hourly sex, or dragging girls from a lap table. my basic standard is a two days sponsoring… if i like the attitude of the girl i may be keep her for more time, or a comeback, if i do not, i’ll kick her off the first morning with a stupid excuse… no one looses too much. and all are happy. by the way i feel real differences form the short hot summer and the winter (more girls in winter, more students, may be not always free, but…). somebody says no sunbath weather… but i never failed to get some nice hot body in my bed when out it’s snowing. may be not perfect, but…

so a fuck and a pop is just like taking a taxi…
an overnighter is like renting a car…
a sponsorette is like renting a car with a driver…

the girl knows well that you can kick her off and want to get as much $$ as possible, so she will do almost all what you want… mostly including all these nice things: anal, bbbj, cim, cof, hard photos, taking a girlfriend, etc. etc.
what is also turning me on vey very much is that i started with normal 20-28 girls range, like those you find at rp or everywhere, like in russia. but in the last times i am trying going down with the age. maybe it’s me that getting closer to 50 are more fascinated from 18/19/20 y.o. not beauties, but let’s say 5/8 those that knows that if they go to rp, or arena or whatever do not have more than 50% of possibilities to get laid.
cheaper and surely more energetic. the worse i sponsored was a former porn star (did not know my self but seniors here recognized her), nice looking, soft and perfect, the body of a sex machine, but like a log in the bed… outcasted in the morning! these 18-19 instead fuck like rabbits.

still remember an episode, not in kiev, but in moscow, and the philosophy is the same. found a nice student on omen.ru, met her (19) in a bar, and agreed for a long weekend at the next trip (just a month later) friday evening, monday morning in my hotel, she just showed up as nice as possible the month after, just filled 20 when i was home. nearly a teen. soft and blonde (20/170/73/d cups some time i like young flesh too, not only skinny ones). on friday afternoon after registering, agreeing on no sex photos, etc, she just started riding me like a rabbit… and the real funs started… she was kissing, cuddling, licking, sucking, and at the end made a fabulous bbbj + cim + swallowing, and when my best friend was happy, soft and clean, she just put her head on my chest saying: tasty! in general she was not more than a 5 in body and 6 in face, but just what i wanted then and gfe was close to 10. swallowed most of my loads. and all for a little bit more than 400 usd for the long sponsoring! you could get her for 700/week or so… only a regret no anal.
when i sponsored inga, 2007, a 20 y.o. engineering student she could not imagine what was on… but she did all i asked for… and was really nice, a pity that she is gone. when i say thet they are ofted deep wet it's not a joke the kind of things i love, maybe somebody here did nor read me before, is getting a naive like inga, anally plugged (the biggest i found) to arean bar in kiev, of course no sofas but stool at the bar! se was so wet tha she dipped her jeans... you can see here how wet... of course she got immediately railed!
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=104

one of the best thing you can do is getting girls directly out of the town.. let’s say in the area of 100/200 km even more. select your preferred after deep chat, get a couple (at least) of back ups, and then go there for a coffee or tea (i travel by bus or train, cheap and easy) and take her back home and fuck the eyeballs out of her skull! have one on the way… not a beauty (for sure) 18/158/55/c ready to take the bus herself to kiev (a couple of hours, i know even where it stops in her city she was very surprised) for a noon meal, if she is as in picture (naïve and homegrown) she will be my dessert.

some are just killing you only with the look… you know you see these long haired long legged blondes 18/175/55 or so, some looks that have may be ended playing with dolls a year ago (do not think so the start fucking very early) and seems porn stars now an may be are just 18 since a couple of months… some are so openly on the market that on occupation they write…. Блондинка… some even write Массажистка (massage girl!) of course there are fake photos and pro ads, but once you understand how it works it’s quite easy to understand how to do. generally the part after the slash in mamba or flirt is a simple gdhweuikdhgemkl or a such thing if it’s a temporary announcement just for a day or two, if you find a thing like http://flirt.com.ua/maximum_2/ that means usually that the girl has a permanent ad. usually those have home made medium quality photos… when you se model types usually fakes. in the specific case a nice soft freckled reddish 19/170/65 that i hope i can properly treat (like inga!). she has that normal, home grown girl aspect that i love… and soft ones are very good for rude sex.

the funny thing is that some that do not advertize openly for sex are there just for that, it’s enough to see the photos. some do not wand sponsorship but a vacation in exchange of sex, those are usually available… some want to see a picture (of yourself) and/or may be meet you first in neutral area like a bar or so. and they do not consider themselves as who*res

the only real problem is that some time the girls just stays on the dating (sponsoring) sites for some days, some time they just disappear or do not answer. so you have to put some home work.

if i was wealthy enough definitely i would hunt for long term teens (max 20 y.o.) to sponsor (months having a group of 5-6), check them for std and go for all i can imagine (and i have a lot of imagination!). i know some guys doing this in kiev. i’m really envious.

i post here 8 pics (and a link to other ten including a nice teen doing anal… and some home made russian movies, the two lesbian fsu teens are, i suppose, what most of us want in the bed…) and two of nastya, on ad and in reality (photographed by my self).
for several reasons i believe that the photo posted are real (not stolen from a model site) of course no guarantee that what comes home is what in picture, but usually it’s so.

pic 001, 006 and 007 are close to an heart attack! all girls 18-22 in central ua… i’ll keep contacts with nastya, 24/176/67 (she claims) but i know 24/178/70/a-b tits with puffy nipples. always masturbating and wet close to a ninfomanka…
i put the link to the other teen photos
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1282

i post also the link to the 80 or so pics that the piglets in pic 007 have on line, some naked, some in a round ¾ place round jacuzzi, some winter photo where you see the pale white skin of both, just 19… in kharkov, worth a trip!
http://flirt.com.ua/masik50/

at the end why kiev and not cheaper pattaya or asia? simple, one of the thing i love is relaxing muffdiving in the pink and you find proper pink only with pale white skinned girls (preferably blonde or red ones…)
just 2 cents

it

ps by the way if the short and soft [CodeWord901] looking girl in pic 005/006 gets a heart formed lollipop…. i could die

from next days have a lot of work so will stay off for a while.... nice hunt to all.

[Bango Cheito]

There was NO such thing as a monogamous relationship in the Paleo age... and women didn't need to have more than 3 children per lifetime on average to keep the population growing, even with all the violent death. When we started concentrating in towns and cities, disease became a problem so we needed to have 7-8 kids per family just to combat that......

98% of human sperm is designed to KILL OTHER SPERM, not impregnate. So there is NO WAY one woman with one man for life is the way nature intended it.... nature is NOT farming, it's hunting and gathering, moving around and being vicious PREDATORS.... there's a LOT that we miss out on by being "civilized".....

[It Travel]

Hmmm, an interesting point! I wasn't even thinking about Eastern Europe, maybe because of my decades as a "Cold Warrior" and maybe also because the only times I'd visited Eastern Europe were in the dead of winter. (Though the Cold War did end for me one February in a middlin' large town in Bulgaria, aided and abetted by Colonel A's excellent homemade plum brandy; but that's a different story indeed!)

However, the notion of learning any of the Eastern European languages would be quite daunting. And the winters are not made for sunbathing, are they? But it could be very good for the summertime.

Yep the weather is nothing fun (a part some ice cooled days with wonderful skies in Russia) but I always managed to get nice fresh and young warm meat in my bed... but I will write more later...

IT

[Westy]

Phurp, are the quotes below sufficiently representative of your post? They're the parts that caught my mind.

In the first world West our whole view of long term relationships has undergone a complete revolution in the last 50 years. Our attitudes to sex, family roles, and women's emancipation have also radically changed. Educated western women see their own identity and development as coming first and their family and man come second. Way second. If she tires of you, these days you're fucked.

Historically, the expectation and financial reality was that the couple needed to stay together. Children, and plenty of them, were needed to work the farm or whatever and support you in your old age (ie anything past 35 a few hundred years ago). Family was a survival mechanism and so was marriage. It was a pragmatic partnership. If love was there or came, well and good, but that was not the primary motivation.

Nature and biology are very efficient. We are only programmed to be in a hormonally-drunk state of love long enough to be useful to the new mother and her child and ensure that the offspring survives. Hence, human pair bonding evolved, along with the intense feelings we call love.

Women with more traditional values from more traditional cultures may have different, more pragmatic expectations about marriage and men than Western women. This is of value to men who also want a pragmatic relationship which is not driven by "personal development" first and foremost but is a partnership based on agreed principles for mutual nurturing.

Survival of the species, by the way of survival of "our" offspring, is probably hard-wired into any successful species. "Homo sap" has managed to produce a society of "nations" and "laws" and "government agencies" that appear, I say "appear," to do the job of ensuring offspring survival in the place of the nuclear or extended family. For example, I recall a post on ISG of some months ago that recounts how Ireland's social-service payments to single mothers WAY outstrip the ability of an average young man to support his wife and kiddies.

Of course, in the USA these social-service program benefits are all too often replaced by the rapacity of "the woman scorned" in divorce court. "I get the house, the car and the kids; you get the mortgage and the child-support payments, plus alimony enough to permit me to pursue my personal growth without having to worry about money. YOU do the worrying, for me."

As an alternative, we ISG'ers can go out into the wide wide world outside of the USA, get our rocks off in a fee-for-service kind of environment, and maybe find a suitable partner who sees us a "worth keeping" and "worth working to satisfy, so he'll stick around."

Is it any surprise that we'd prefer to look for love in a culture where the women learn "If you keep Papi happy, he'll keep you happy" rather than "The bastards only deserve to be fugged OVER!"

[Phurp]

Crazy jim,

I think most guys who are into foreign women basically can't deal with the independent nature of AW. A lot are looking for women who because of economic dependancies are more subserviant. Most of the guys don't care really about relationship but are really looking for a maid with benefits.

Apologies for commenting on an older post but it made me think. There's truth in this with some men but it is just as much about cultural expectations as "subservience". In the first world West our whole view of long term relationships has undergone a complete revolution in the last 50 years. Fifty percent or more of Western marriages fail and end in divorce, which means heartbreak, financial loss and (not infrequently) catastrophe.

Them thar's really bad odds, like flipping a coin. In essence, marriage is now a rather unreliable contract in the West. At the same time. And it's no coincidence. Our attitudes to sex, family roles, and women's emancipation have also radically changed. Educated western women see their own identity and development as coming first and their family and man come second. Way second. If she tires of you, these days you're fucked. And I have always noticed that women have a different response to loss and grief than men. In my experience, once she says goodbye to you internally, in general she tends to get over it and move on quite quickly (maybe it's me, LOL!). But I know men who are still carrying a torch for the cheerleader they fell in love with thirty years ago. We men may fall in love less easily and less frequently (some girls seem to fall in love with someone different every week), but when we fall, we fall hard.

Historically, marriage arose in the West primarily as a contract to ensure inheritance was secure. It used to be rather expensive (with the dowry an' all) so many used to never get married and just say they were married. But the expectation and financial reality was that the couple needed to stay together. Children, and plenty of them, were needed to work the farm or whatever and support you in your old age (ie anything past 35 a few hundred years ago). A woman with children and no man was in deep shit. Family was a survival mechanism and so was marriage. It had little whatsoever to do with love and romance or intellectual compatibility. It was a pragmatic partnership. If love was there or came, well and good, but that was not the primary motivation. If you could marry above your station you had hit pay dirt. Many of these values survived until recently in migrant communities such as the Irish, Italians and Asians who stocked the US, Canada, the UK and Australia. Now, we expect undying love and bliss, which of course is nonsense. And in our hearts we still yearn for a stable lifetime partner.

Nature and biology are very efficient. We are only programmed to be in a hormonally-drunk state of love long enough to be useful to the new mother and her child and ensure that the offspring survives. The human infant is very vulnerable and ideally needs two adults to care for it until it is sufficiently independent to survive. On the African plains where we humans evolved, we can see that the minimum period before a toddler could be big enough to forage for food independently while trailing behind the group would be about 3-4 years. Hence, humans have a 4 year itch statistically, not a 7 year itch, and often begin to look for new partners around this time in a relationship. The African plains also were dangerous. Predators and warring groups. Which meant a father was pretty much essential for hunting and protecting the woman and child. Hence, human pair bonding evolved, along with the intense feelings we call love.

This is why longer term partnerships tend to be about pragmatic things like continued survival and more children.

Women with more traditional values from more traditional cultures may have different, more pragmatic expectations about marriage and men than Western women. This is of value to men who also want a pragmatic relationship which is not driven by "personal development" first and foremost but is a partnership based on agreed principles for mutual nurturing.

[Westy]

"Seasick" was a rhetorical question, anyways. But the notion of her "keeping her man satisfied" is not; it's like the Holy Grail.

Paraguay is a very poor country, with a very definite "rico y pobre" division in its people. I haven't seen much but Asuncion, and not really much of that, but I saw that the price of my modest townhouse in the Washington-Baltimore region would buy a fine villa with a walled garden and swimming pool in their "Villa Morro" district; fine dining there is close to the price of McDonalds up here; the main things that compare out as "more expensive" are cars and gasoline. And, thanks to certain "accidents of history" such as the War of the Triple Alliance, they do act (or at least they have acted, toward and around me) as though men are precious and worth keeping happy. And satisfied.

I would, however, very much prefer to live on the seacoast. And that is something Paraguay lacks.

[Dickhead]

Mercosur = Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. I doubt this chica has ever been on a boat in her life.

[Westy]

I think Paraguay has a lot of women who would be good for an LTR. But you would have to get them out of Paraguay because that country is pretty much fucked.

Banged a paraguaya (nationalities are not capitalized in Spanish) today. ...She said if she found a nice guy she would give him so much sex he wouldn't be able to cheat on her even if he wanted to.

I have a couple of friends who feel the same about las paraguayitas One has brought two paraguayitas home to the USA, which I see as a strategic blunder (but that's another thread!)

Paraguay is a member of MERCOSUR, so you could make your home in Argentina, Brazil, or Uruguay (maybe Chile? Is Chile part of MERCOSUR?) "La paraguayita" would be welcome in any of those nations.

I have met and bedded a few paraguayas myself (not as many as you) and that chica's plan would suit me completely as long as she kept her figure. My only question: I plan to live aboard a yacht; does she get seasick?

[Dickhead]

I think Paraguay has a lot of women who would be good for an LTR. But you would have to get them out of Paraguay because that country is pretty much fucked.

Banged a paraguaya (nationalities are not capitalized in Spanish) today. 22 y/o, big natural titties, big firm ass, very cute face. No tats (a belly button piercing though) and does not smoke (low rate of smoking in that country, unless it's weed). Been in Argentina for two months and said she was looking for a boyfriend. Said she could cook and sew and knit. Well, I am not looking for a girlfriend and I can cook and I could give a fuck about knit although sewing comes in handy at times. Gave a good BJ but not that great of a fuck. But could probably be trained. She said if she found a nice guy she would give him so much sex he wouldn't be able to cheat on her even if he wanted to.

Food for thought, anyway. I've probably screwed 100 paraguayas or so. Most were very good and some were just unbelievable.

[Westy]

I happened across this on the "Escape Artist" expat website, and it blew my mind (pardon the Sixties vernacular). Tried to find the Web link to the developer's site, but the closest I got was this from the Danwei website:

Chinese developer: Buy a house, get a wife for free

An old Jewish joke says that modern society is based on the ideas of three old men: Marx said "Everything is about Money". Freud said "Everything is about Sex". Then, Einstein arrived and concluded that "Everything is Relative".

The Chinese economy has slowed down dramatically over the past six months and demand for real estate in China's major cities declined sharply. Concurrently, new data has been published about the disparity between China's male and female citizens and the subsequent troubles Chinese men face when trying to find a wife. Now, a local Real Estate Developer is trying to strike a new balance between Marx and Freud in order to get the market going again.

Jin Tai Cheng, a Beijing company, is offering a creative solution for prospective buyers at its "Ecological Bay" Villa project. The company encourages future homeowners to date its sales girls and promises a wedding present of RMB 60,000 to any couple that ends up getting married. The official story is that the company lured the sales ladies with a commitment to pay 8% in sales commissions as well as the opportunity to strike gold by securing a wealthy husband.

However, a local Real Estate executive I spoke to pointed out that the girls on offer are not that attractive. His theory is that the developer is not making money on selling apartments and so it signed a deal with a matchmaking agency to mary these "unwanted" girls to rich husbands. In return, the developer will receive much more than RMB 60,000 for every girl they manage to "give away". This way, the girls don't lose face by putting themselves on sale, the husbands don't lose face by going directly to an agency to look for a bride, and the developer makes a nice profit. In a country with too many apartments and not enough girls, this doesn't sound like a bad idea.

More information about the project and a gallery of sales girls still in the market is available on Soufun.com.

[Dive Monger]

I have spent lots of time in various places in Asia over the past decade (having completely given up on Western women a long time ago, long story) and would like to second the opinion that China is good. But going downhill as the prosperity increases and the women get spoilt and develop often unrealistic expectations. I have buddies who have been badly raked over the coals by filipinas and thais, so would approach those cultures with caution. But if you can find a Chinese lady with traditional values, you will be a happy camper indeed, IMHO. And some of these Chinese women are very, very hot.

The downside, for us westerners, is that mandarin is a damnably difficult language to learn.

[Henri Dufresne]

First of all, I want to say I completely agree with Helgae. He is totally true. But this thread is about LTR.

I am 32 and I visited 15 countries. I would like to share here my experience about LTR. I come from West Europe. I grew up there, then I traveled for my job. More than anything, traveling helped me to see how bad the western women were in a LTR.

I can see know this general trend in western countries of neglected women. It means they don't take care of their bodies, they have vulgar clothes, not so fresh appearances and all the lifestyle that come after that.

I never heard about so many divorces and bad relationship. (My uncle found a woman through a dating website and finished with a 70, 000 euros debt). Those stories are the same in Texas, France, Germany or UK.

Even when married, western women have very high expectations today. They push the family cell to always live above their real purchasing power. Madam wants the BMW, the 1 million.

So some people can say I m doing a cliché. But, now, try to find a happy couple who have a simple life. Those couples are today a minority.

So let s come to the thread topic. In the world today, South America is always a guarantee. Russia is always a good place. Far east europe (Not central europe. From Lettonia to Ukraine. On the other hand, I want to point out Asia is sinking down. The asian girls are now less nice that it was before. Nevertheless there are exceptions, like China, Corea and Japan that become better place for LTR. Especially in China. (don't trust the TV that show you famers there are incredibly good looking Chinese girls).

North Africa is also less interesting than it was before.

I am taking my experience from women I met. Actually I have been surprised to meet women from Morocco, Manila and Malaysia who had the same profile than Euro. North american women. (very high expectations, goldminers.)