American Politics

[Spidy]

Guesstimates are 🚫 not facts

Nor are "alternative facts" How many hundreds of millions did Fox News pay to settle the Dominion Voting machine lawsuit? More lawsuits are pending. How about a "guesstimate" of how many undocumented immigrants that work, own businesses and pay taxes vs oligarchs that pay no taxes?

You bring up an excellent point!

Remember back in 2019, it became known that, immigrants paid more in taxes, than the multi-billion dollar corporation, Amazon, who had paid nothing ($0) in federal income taxes, since 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/tech/...tax/index.html
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/20/182317...rporate-income

Just goes to show who's really bankrupting the country, while hiding behind the "theatrical media hysteria" on immigration from the right-wing Repub propaganda media apparatus over at likes of FOXY News and NewsMax.

[Spidy]

Do you? The point was that illegals have driven up rents and are bankrupting the USA. Do you think ONLY 10 million illegals have entered the USA since Biden was president versus 20 million is a winning issue?

(...kkkk!) Sure dude...sure!

I forget, Elvis 2008, must have taken accounting/math at Trump University. You know, the one that says, to arbitrarily deflate the numbers/asset valuations when in office/being taxed and inflate the numbers when I'm out of office/going to the bank for a loan. If I'm not mistaken, Trump was found guilty and ordered to pay $355 million in tax fraud, for such fraudulent claims.

Yeah, attending Trump University would about sum up your nonsensical example, w/r to the numbers you're pulling outta your ass on immigration! (...kkkk!)

Meanwhile the billionaires have you and your FOXY Muse gullible minions, doing their biding, as Trump Tax cuts benefit the top 1%, while paying very little to nothing in federal taxes.

Trump is clobbering Biden on the immigration issue. Your outrage over the number just shows how morally bankrupt your position is.

Is that what you've been told at Foxy News? (Hint: If so, they're lying to you! ...kkkk!)

Sleepy Trumpy Trump is clobbering Biden?...NOT according to:

• Democrat Tom Suozzi win the N.Y. 3rd district, 2024 special election (for the seat left vacant by George Santos), beating the Repub candidate, largely on immigration, issues.

• Repub Chip Roy (R-TX), as it's abundantly clear, that the border problems and failure, were ALL due to TRUMP!

• The CBPs estimated at-the-border apprehension rate averaged 78%, from 2018 to 2020, compared to 35% from 2002 to 2004.

• The beloved drafted bipartisan border security bill by the Senate and Sen. James Lankford (R-OK), that solves most everything Repubs want.

• The numerous election wins in 2022, 2023 and 2024, Democrats have demolished Repubs in elections, special elections and primaries, on primarily the number one issue that front and center for most Americans abortion, abortion bans, women's health and reproductive rights to choose.

I'm still waiting for Trump, Repubs and the INCEL He-man women haters, such as yourself to make it pass the starting line on abortion, the continuing use of Misferpristone and Misoprostol, IVF and contraception.

Hint: If Repubs, want to win the presidential election race in 2024, they may want to take off the blinders on those women issues.

[Xpartan]

LOL. But you Democratic douches sure swallowed up the guesstimate on where Covid came from right? It did not come from a lab and anyone blaming China was racist right?

Hell, you probably still think Covid came from nature and not a lab.

And here we go again. Watch yet another Elvis' escape to one of his happy places (COVID or AIDS) when he has lost the argument on the subject matter.

[EihTooms]

LOL. But you Democratic douches sure swallowed up the guesstimate on where Covid came from right? It did not come from a lab and anyone blaming China was racist right?

Hell, you probably still think Covid came from nature and not a lab.

Senate GOP Covid origins probe finds circumstantial evidence but no smoking gun to support lab leak theory.
May 17, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/polit...ort/index.html

"What we present below is a substantial body of circumstantial evidence that supports the plausibility of such a scenario, the executive summary of Rubios report states about the lab leak theory, making clear the findings do not offer a definitive answer to the origins question.

Specifically, Rubios new report highlights evidence that Chinese government officials and relevant figures in the scientific community possessed some level of awareness of an outbreak of infectious disease well before that information was disclosed publicly on December 31, 2019.

It also notes that the congressional investigation unearthed information that further suggests there was some kind of serious biocontainment failure or accident at the state-run Wuhan Institute of Virology during the second half of 2019.

Despite Repub douches looking and looking and looking very hard to find conclusive evidence that Trump's Pandemic virus originated in a lab leak rather than the overwhelmingly more common way in nature and then being brought to a lab where a leak can always occur (as if that makes any big deal difference at all. LOL), they did find plenty of evidence that, sure enough, if only Donald Trump had not stubbornly defunded and eliminated Obama's Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention teams from those labs contrary to all expert warnings not to do something as stupid and dangerous as that, the world would have had crucial weeks or months of advanced notice to have launched into the necessary isolation and quarantine in that area of China in order to have effectively Prevented Trump's Pandemic from developing in the first place and to have delayed the wider spread of it until well after fully tested and distributed vaccines for it had been distributed around the world.

As Donald Trump himself acknowledged in a March 2020 recorded interview with Bob Woodward.

Which would have saved millions of lives and averted the business, school and travel industry closures, the global supply-chain destruction, worldwide economic collapse and the inevitable hyper-inflation that followed.

Essentially every historic destruction and disaster that Trump had been warned for about a year prior would likely occur if he insisted on going forward with his planned typically Repub economic and national security policies and stewardship in that regard.

[Elvis 2008]

Guesstimates are 🚫 not facts

LOL. But you Democratic douches sure swallowed up the guesstimate on where Covid came from right? It did not come from a lab and anyone blaming China was racist right?

Hell, you probably still think Covid came from nature and not a lab.

[Elvis 2008]

Sometimes, I have to wonder, do you even read what you write?

Do you? The point was that illegals have driven up rents and are bankrupting the USA. Do you think ONLY 10 million illegals have entered the USA since Biden was president versus 20 million is a winning issue? Trump is clobbering Biden on the immigration issue. Your outrage over the number just shows how morally bankrupt your position is.

[EihTooms]

Bring in? 20 millions? Here's Elvis again in all his splendor.

"Nearly 10 million migrants attempted to enter the US between October 2019 and January 2024, with record-high border apprehensions in 2022. ".

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-c...d-immigration/

Of course, "attempting to enter" doesn't equate to entering, but why focus on the details when you have a cool round number!

The funniest thing about the Repubs' obsession with the relatively insignificant issue of border crossings, certainly relative to the damage done to America by the Trump / Repubs' historic incompetence and traitorous hatred for America and democracy around the world, is those crossings have obviously and verifiably done nothing to reduce the number of newly created good and higher wage jobs for any American who wants one under Biden, nothing to reverse the plunging crime rates across the country as well as in border towns and sanctuary cities under Biden, nothing to slow down the unprecedented worldwide March toward more American / Western democratic alliances under Biden.

Hell, Trump's appointed and befuddled Fed Chairman probably wishes those crossings would finally show some meaningful sign of tamping down Bidenomics' greatest jobs creation and wage gains results to do for the current modest rate of inflation what his clumsy guidance has failed to do after three years.

Again and as usual, the only real threat to any of those truly significant Biden / Dem accomplishnents for keeping America the greatest and most Economically successful country on Earth with the most powerful and effective National Security is The Republican Party, the Pink Tinkle Repub Majority in the House, the Repubs in the Senate, the Repub Majority in the Supreme Court and, of course, their America-hating cult leader Donald Trump. Not border-crossing asylum-seekers.

[Beijing4987]

Nor are "alternative facts" How many hundreds of millions did Fox News pay to settle the Dominion Voting machine lawsuit? More lawsuits are pending. How about a "guesstimate" of how many undocumented immigrants that work, own businesses and pay taxes vs oligarchs that pay no taxes?

[Spidy]

Well, the MSNBC listening, NYT reading Demolunes / Democrat douches do not read or listen to anything outside of their narrow lane. So whatever is said on Fox, they just dismiss it. ...

No, no, no...I think you'd be wrong, as to think Dems would dismiss such LIES over at FOXY Muse. It's pretty hard to dismiss, when the LIES and disinformation are so blatantly offensive, that they SLAP you in the face as incredibly scurrilous, contemptuous and often baseless or marred in Russian propaganda.

I think it's perhaps more to do with the fact that Dems, don't like being lied to, misinformed and spoon-fed by Putin and his Russian disinformation propaganda campaign, to gullible news media like FOXY Muse and it's "ground breaking coverage of lies", it's regular list of Russian Repub House "useful idiots" and the like, spouting QAnon "Jewish Space Lasers" conspiracies, or for that matter conspiracies about "Italian spy satellites" hacking our very secure, safe, free and fair election voting system or machines.

• Another ISGer, from a previous convo, sums up FOXY Muse, with "laser" like precision:
  

  But here's the kicker. Their loyal audience knows they lie but they don't care so long as the "conservative" media tells them what they want to hear (I put conservative in quotes because these "outfits" do conservatism a great injustice). They (the conservative audience) don't want to know the truth (they can't handle it), and "news outlets" like FOX were eager to serve up the lies to feed their own bottom lines.
  
  That is until they got slapped with an $800 million dollar settlement. What's that bottom line look like now? Not as bad as Rudy's LMAO! Another liar! Their all getting theirs. And good! The sweetest will be when Trump finally goes down. He will. Be patient.

On the left, we unapologetically, demand a certain high-level of journalism, from our news sources, that requires something over at FOXY Muse, know very little, to nothing about (which is understandable, since they don't really see themselves as a real NEWS organization).

Yes, that "something", is called Journalistic Integrity.

Which when translated for those on the right unfamiliar with the term, means the ability to report the truth, the facts, that are corroborated, substantiated, verified and validated, from trusted and reliable sources, that adhere to industry ethical and journalistic standards.

So I think it's safe to say, at FOXY Muse, neither they nor their "gullible" loyal watchers, care much for integrity, much less deliver a certain level of professionalism, commensurate with that expected from one of journalistic integrity.

[Spidy]

... As for where the number 20 million comes from, that is just a guesstimate of how many illegals are here. No one really knows. The guessestimate from Border Patrol is that 10 million illegals have entered under Biden. So while you play this dumb game of Gotcha Elvis, it is 10 million not 20 million, you are oblivious to the plights of the cities taking in the illegals and people paying rent.

Sometimes, I have to wonder, do you even read what you write?

How exactly do you expect a reader to RESPECT what you wrote, when you're throwing up wild numbers, unsubstantiated with anything related, that would even persuade a reader to think, you might be right?

Sorry, but I'm not one of your fellow gullible FOXY Muse loyalists!

[Xpartan]

LOL. Do you get supply and demand? If you bring in 20 million immigrants and the supply of housing only slightly goes up, then the price on housing WILL go up.

Bring in? 20 millions? Here's Elvis again in all his splendor.

"Nearly 10 million migrants attempted to enter the US between October 2019 and January 2024, with record-high border apprehensions in 2022. ".

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-c...d-immigration/

Of course, "attempting to enter" doesn't equate to entering, but why focus on the details when you have a cool round number!

[EihTooms]

Spidy, obviously like Thailand Tooms, you are living abroad on your government checks completely oblivious to the workings of America. You knock down anything you don't like as MAGA, QAnon, or whatever. You completely have your head in the sand when it comes to who the wealthy support.

With Biden, if you are wealthy and own stocks and real estate, you have done well. If you rent and are paycheck to paycheck, you have gotten killed under Biden.

If you go to this video and watch from the 1:57 mark for one minute, you will see the most definitive evidence of why Biden will lose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_q9O7zJEw8.

This is not Fox News. This is MSNBC polling undecided voters in swing states and every fucking one of them says Trump's policies helped them and Biden's economic policies hurt them.

I kind of wonder what kind of bullshit you will say to make yourselves feel better after you watch this. Maybe you will take the Thailand Tooms route and blame the editing. When that fucker Fauci said you could get AIDS just living with a child with AIDS, he was not shown to be the fucking idiot that he was. No, per the loon Thailand Tooms, it was just editing.

As for where the number 20 million comes from, that is just a guesstimate of how many illegals are here. No one really knows. The guessestimate from Border Patrol is that 10 million illegals have entered under Biden. So while you play this dumb game of Gotcha Elvis, it is 10 million not 20 million, you are oblivious to the plights of the cities taking in the illegals and people paying rent.

All you give a shit about is your government check.

Uh. Where are the outrageously negative comments about Trump from "undecideds"/ Independents that appeared in that MSNBC segment?

Oh, you didn't know there were any? You just thought that idiot YouTube video included all of the negative comments the gathered "undecideds" had to offer and it was only about Biden?

LOL.

You have been blissfully easily bamboozled again, Culty McGullible.

First of all, if after 4 years of observing Trump and experiencing his Pandemic, massive jobs destruction, his 2 Bear Market declines in just 4 years, rising crime rates and USA at War for the entirety of his so-called presidency vs 3 1/2 years of Biden's historic job gains and wage increases, Stock Market gains, plunging crime rates and NO USA at War anywhere on the planet, any self-proclaimed "undecideds" at this point are by definition extremely low low low low information voters. Possibly comatose most of the time.

And speaking of the stock market, where is that one numbskull hearing Joe Bidrn "only talking about the stock market all the time"? LOL. He must be as easily bamboozled by creatively and tightly edited YouTube Winger videos as you are.

[EihTooms]

And Thailand Tooms is at it again. Hey, if you want a site where the betting makes you feel good, you should go here, https://www.predictit.org/markets/de...ntial-election.

Does that make you feel better Thailand Tooms? Maybe you need it after that MSNBC post showing how badly Biden's policies hurt middle America.

Thing is there have been articles on how the predict it futures markets are being manipulated. So I was like, what are the odds of an actual site that will let you bet on the election?

https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us...tial-election/#text=Trump%20 remains%20 the%20 slight%20 favorite, to%20 repeat%20 as%20 USA %20 President.

And this is from April 12:

Trump remains the slight favorite at 6/5 (Bet $100 to win $120) to capture the 2024 USA Presidential Election.

Joe Biden is sitting at 5/4 odds (Bet $100 to win $125) to repeat as USA President.

Oddsmakers are currently offering plus-money returns on both candidates for the upcoming face-off between Trump and Biden.

Trump remains the slight favorite at 6/5 (Bet $100 to win $120) to capture the 2024 USA Presidential Election.

Joe Biden is sitting at 5/4 odds (Bet $100 to win $125) to repeat as USA President.

So what percent of your government checks are you going to bet on Biden?

Yes, I already mentioned Predictlt as one of the President Betting Odds sites that RealClearPolitics includes in their Consensus for that topic.

But the point of my posts wasn't exactly how each candidate is faring in that regard at the moment but to show how demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP is in the way they manipulate, delay, rush in and / or otherwise time the inclusion of certain polls in order to keep their beloved Trump and other Repubs either ahead in those Consensus polls or at least even with Biden and the Dems.

Well, I did mention in passing that remarkable skyrocketing upward trajectory in the Odds for Biden and fish hook reversal of fortune decline in it for Trump since Joe Biden's terrific State of the Union Address pretty much destroyed the main Trump / GOP campaign spin against him for 3 solid years.

But now that you have gone directly to the Predictlt site for their Odds, I will now mention that I saw that 53 number for Biden on their site several days ago. Yet RCP has not posted that number for Predictlt on their site but is instead still hanging in there with more like 47-49, keeping it closer overall between Biden and everyone else in that Consensus than Predictlt has it as long as humanly possible. Apparently.

LOL. I see idiot Trump-lover Repub Gov. Sununu is out there proclaiming that "51% of Americans" agree with him that they would rather have Trump in the WH than Biden. Liar. Even demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP can't manipulate the poll consensus enough to create a 51% lead for Trump. Not in a head-to-head or a 5-way hypothetical. Biden gets as many 50% results in the RCP polls as Trump does and nowhere in any Consensus is Trump higher than 45.6%.

[Elvis 2008]

Simple. You just eliminate one of the President Betting Odds sites that had Biden ahead by a point (maybe more today) and, bingo, Trump and Biden are now dead even at 41.5 each!

Note the screenshot from the day before with five sites factored into the consensus showing Biden with a growing lead to 42.8 over Trump's 42.0 compared to today's screenshot of it down to just four sites that will at least show them in a tie for those Sunday political show pundits to disregard as anything worth mentioning, at best.

And that is how demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP does it, folks.

And Thailand Tooms is at it again. Hey, if you want a site where the betting makes you feel good, you should go here, https://www.predictit.org/markets/de...ntial-election.

Does that make you feel better Thailand Tooms? Maybe you need it after that MSNBC post showing how badly Biden's policies hurt middle America.

Thing is there have been articles on how the predict it futures markets are being manipulated. So I was like, what are the odds of an actual site that will let you bet on the election?

https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us...tial-election/#text=Trump%20 remains%20 the%20 slight%20 favorite, to%20 repeat%20 as%20 USA %20 President.

And this is from April 12:

Trump remains the slight favorite at 6/5 (Bet $100 to win $120) to capture the 2024 USA Presidential Election.

Joe Biden is sitting at 5/4 odds (Bet $100 to win $125) to repeat as USA President.

Oddsmakers are currently offering plus-money returns on both candidates for the upcoming face-off between Trump and Biden.

Trump remains the slight favorite at 6/5 (Bet $100 to win $120) to capture the 2024 USA Presidential Election.

Joe Biden is sitting at 5/4 odds (Bet $100 to win $125) to repeat as USA President.

So what percent of your government checks are you going to bet on Biden?

[Elvis 2008]

Yeah, all you're backwards ass shuckin' n jivin', won't hide the real facts about most of the wealthiest on Wall St. and the billionaire class, being as "ruby red" as a "pig in a poke", as they all line up around the block and hedge their bets (with large donations to Trump's Truth Social, DJT), for yet another 2-trillion dollar Trump tax break for billionaires, but fuck avg. Americans.

US billionaires have doubled their wealth since 2017 Trump tax overhaul
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/11/us-...2017-overhaul/

Spidy, obviously like Thailand Tooms, you are living abroad on your government checks completely oblivious to the workings of America. You knock down anything you don't like as MAGA, QAnon, or whatever. You completely have your head in the sand when it comes to who the wealthy support.

With Biden, if you are wealthy and own stocks and real estate, you have done well. If you rent and are paycheck to paycheck, you have gotten killed under Biden.

If you go to this video and watch from the 1:57 mark for one minute, you will see the most definitive evidence of why Biden will lose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_q9O7zJEw8.

This is not Fox News. This is MSNBC polling undecided voters in swing states and every fucking one of them says Trump's policies helped them and Biden's economic policies hurt them.

I kind of wonder what kind of bullshit you will say to make yourselves feel better after you watch this. Maybe you will take the Thailand Tooms route and blame the editing. When that fucker Fauci said you could get AIDS just living with a child with AIDS, he was not shown to be the fucking idiot that he was. No, per the loon Thailand Tooms, it was just editing.

As for where the number 20 million comes from, that is just a guesstimate of how many illegals are here. No one really knows. The guessestimate from Border Patrol is that 10 million illegals have entered under Biden. So while you play this dumb game of Gotcha Elvis, it is 10 million not 20 million, you are oblivious to the plights of the cities taking in the illegals and people paying rent.

All you give a shit about is your government check.