What Country has the Best Women for STR?

[Iceberg27]

i've recently took the high speed train from köln hbf to frankfurt airport, and it took me exactly 55 minutes to arrive. it was the train of a very well-known german airline company, operated by deutsche bahn. i guess it was "neubaustrecke köln-rhein / main" (the high speed rail line) , but not sure about

i don't know which trains connect dusseldorf to amsterdam. do you mind report me some of them?

i am curious about especially for the 4 big ones in frankurt area. is it possible to visit all 4 without a car? with small taxi cost and train? and also after you have tasted fkk's in germany does it worth to get in amsterdam and smell the air there? or brussels?

[PunterWanderer]

that's not true. (unless you travel by helicopter.) it takes at least 80 minutes from frankfurt to the nrw-border, from frankfurt to cologne it's 110 minutes and from frankfurt to moers 140 minutes.

i've recently took the high speed train from köln hbf to frankfurt airport, and it took me exactly 55 minutes to arrive. it was the train of a very well-known german airline company, operated by deutsche bahn. i guess it was "neubaustrecke köln-rhein/main" (the high speed rail line), but not sure about this last info.

actually, i don't know how much time with regional rail lines, but surely not many time to come in frankfurt to cologne. in any case, not very far away.

from brussels it's around 2 hours to düsseldorf, from amsterdam around 15 minutes more.

i suggest you to check it out these trains from cologne to paris: https://www.thalys.com/

in 1h 47mins you're in brussels from cologne. in 3 hours you're in paris. if you book some time in advance you can also have real cheap prices.

i don't know which trains connect dusseldorf to amsterdam. do you mind report me some of them?

[SwingerLover]

in less than one hour you're in Frankfurt

That's not true. (Unless you travel by helicopter.) It takes at least 80 minutes from Frankfurt to the NRW-border, from Frankfurt to Cologne it's 110 minutes and from Frankfurt to Moers 140 minutes. From Brussels it's around 2 hours to Düsseldorf, from Amsterdam around 15 minutes more.

Hamburg might be an option as well, but Bremen seems to be restrictive about mongering; at least about bareback mongering. The Hannover area is also an option, as well as northern Baden-Württemberg (Karlsruhe, Heilbronn, Stuttgart).

Wanking's Partytreff-map (although not up to date), as well as my bareback-maps, might be of some help to see what's where: http://goo.gl/maps/Rk0pE http://goo.gl/maps/QZ8sf http://goo.gl/maps/g9mR3

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...Partytreff-Map

[PunterWanderer]

If Berlin is too boring, then you might want to give the NRW-Region (NorthRhineWestphalia, Germany's highest populated Bundesland) a try, especially the Ruhrgebiet-area and the entie region from Mönchengladbach to Moers, Marl, Dortmund and then south to Düsseldorf and Köln (Cologne) and back to Aachen and Mönchengladbach again. Regarding options for sex, this is the most active area with the biggest variety of venues. But I can't say about "spending other time in the city", since I'm not from there and only drive there for sex. The only general description I can give is that people in Cologne are more down to earth, whereas Düsseldorf is an in-crowd city.

Hi Iceberg27, glad to know that you're still active and travelling. It's impossible not to quote SwingerLover, one of the masters of ceremonies of german threads here.

My humble suggestion is NRW too. It's one of the greatest luna-park for adults in Europe: the highest-density of FKK, partytreffs, studios and flat-rate brothels in Germany (and therefore in Europe) , in less than one hour you're in Frankfurt (city with RLD and 4 top-FKK in the area: Mainhattan, Palace, Oase, World) , in more or less 1-2 hours you're respectively in Bruxelles and Amsterdam. It takes 3 hours to be in Paris too.

Moreover Köln, Düsseldorf, Bonn, and the other places already mentioned by SL are nice cities, very funny also for extra-sex reasons.

Another suggestion, still in Germany, is the north: Hamburg and Bremen.

[SwingerLover]

If Berlin is too boring, then you might want to give the NRW-Region (NorthRhineWestphalia, Germany's highest populated Bundesland) a try, especially the Ruhrgebiet-area and the entie region from Mönchengladbach to Moers, Marl, Dortmund and then south to Düsseldorf and Köln (Cologne) and back to Aachen and Mönchengladbach again. Regarding options for sex, this is the most active area with the biggest variety of venues. But I can't say about "spending other time in the city", since I'm not from there and only drive there for sex. The only general description I can give is that people in Cologne are more down to earth, whereas Düsseldorf is an in-crowd city.

[Iceberg27]

Hello Guys. Again me. What do you think about this? I ask the question but I also want to share my opinions about it because I was in Berlin this year. I consider spain because when I was in Berlin after 5 times fuck in one night I decided to give a break and spend time in the city. I can say it's very boring and depressive you can find nothing especially on sundays in Berlin. I know the best part of Berlin is very cheap prices compared to talent available but you know it's yes with no surprise and typical german. Man it's boring. I don't know. Waiting for your contributions and responses. Regards.

[Iceberg27]

[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1457644]Resort cities are crowded between July and August and it is normal.

I thought you planned to go to Odessa during off-season.

Henry you can check my post from Ukraine other areas section and Russian Dating Section regarding Evpatoria.

BR

[BorussiaMG]

So what is happening with the prices at non-flat rate brothels? How much time does 50 euros or 100 euros get you in Germany? What quality of woman does it get you? What actual service does it get you? Are the women who charged, say, 150 euros in 2007 still charging that in 2013?

I'd say it is a more complex question.

In Northrhine Westfalia and Berlin a common rate is 50 Euros (= 30 minutes) and 100 Euros (= 1h. 1.5h) while the southern regions (especially Munich) seem to be quite more expensive. I have no personal experience in the northern area but I know in Hamburg you are supposed to get the same prices as in NRW / Berlin but often being ripped off.

The quality of the girls is decent. For the amount mentioned above I'd expect a good looking, often eastern European girl, with standard service. This means imo oral sex without condom, different positions and no rushing. Most of the girls charge you extra (20-30 Euro) for French kiss, anal or facial. In general you get better value for your money in privat apartments (I. E. Check out 6relax. De) than in a walk-in-brothel.

Some, imo no the most attractive ones, offer more service or take even less money. That's always suspicous to me though.

[Sxyman]

How are Lativan women outside of Latvia. When you meet them on a dating site, are they interested in hook ups, etc. What should I expect? I'm meeting a latvian girl in a few days and I'd love some tips.

I'm more interested in a STR with her than a long-term thing really.

[Henri Dufresne]

Resort cities are crowded between July and August and it is normal.

I thought you planned to go to Odessa during off-season.

Dear Iceberg,

I suggest Odessa.

Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA

Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.

Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day.

Henry I had arrived Evpatoria today. The place is full of women. Very crowded. I didn't see Odessa so I can't make a comparison but for freebies issue especially if you can speak Russian you have better chance here I think compared to Kiev and Kharkov. I will write a detailed report when I come back. Thanks for your contribution.

[George90]

As mentioned before: The media is focussing on flatrate brothels. They represent one small portion of the industry.

Prices in German FKK (for the girls) have been stable for over 13 years: What was 100 DM before is now 50€ (OK, that's only 98 DM). Entrance was 100 DM at Oase in 2000, now it is 70€.

HB

So what is happening with the prices at non-flat rate brothels? How much time does 50 euros or 100 euros get you in Germany? What quality of woman does it get you? What actual service does it get you? Are the women who charged, say, 150 euros in 2007 still charging that in 2013?

[Hessen Bub]

As mentioned before: The media is focussing on flatrate brothels. They represent one small portion of the industry.

Prices in German FKK (for the girls) have been stable for over 13 years: What was 100 DM before is now 50€ (OK, that's only 98 DM). Entrance was 100 DM at Oase in 2000, now it is 70€.

HB

[George90]

the media is focussing on flatrate clubs and brothels where you get "all you can fuck" for 99 eur or less. that's a small portion of the german paysex spectrum. but fkk clubs are not, there's dozens and dozens spread over germany with young pretty girls you can fuck for 50 eur for 30 min incl. daty, bbbj, dfk and covered sex in multiple positions. entry fee for the club varies between 30 and 80 eur, depending on geographics and size of the club. so yes, germany is a mongers paradise. girls are mostly from romania, bulgaria, poland, but also latinas and thais, german girls and others. no need to travel to asia or south america.

hb

i looked some more for information on falling prices. i did find more articles similar to the first two i read.

this excerpt is from the guardian. it calls germany "europe's biggest brothel":

"the sex trade in germany has increased dramatically since prostitution was liberalised in 2002, with more than one million men paying for sex every day here, according to a documentary, sex – made in germany, aired this week on germany's public broadcaster, ard.

based on two years of research using hidden cameras, the film by sonia kennebeck and tina soliman exposes the "flat-rate" brothels where men pay €49 (£42) for as much sex as they want, as well as a rise in sex tourism, with men from asia, the middle east and north america coming to germany for sex."

i found this one about nevada, usa, in the daily news.

nevada's houses of ill repute have fallen on tough times.

as state legislators ponder levying an 8% sales tax on brothels and other live entertainment, the director of the nevada brothel association says that a bad economy and an abundance of illegal prostitutes is already killing off the business.

'when i started as the lobbyist for the industry in 1985, we had 37 brothels in the state, ' george flint told the daily news. 'now we have just 18, and 12 to 14 of them are not doing very well. '

as a result, flint said, prices for sex have fallen.

'instead of paying $400 for a room at a brothel, these guys can now go out and get the same service for a third of the money, ' flint said.

this is an excerpt from an article about greece.

'five euros only, just 5 euros, ' whispered maria, a young prostitute with sunken cheeks and bedraggled hair, as she pitched herself forward from the shadows of a graffiti-riddled alley in central athens on a recent weeknight.

many prostitutes have been selling their services for as little as 10 to 15 euros, a price that has shrunk along with the income of clients afflicted by the crisis. many more prostitutes are taking greater health risks by having unprotected sex, which sells for a premium. still more are subject to violence and [CodeWord123].

this excerpt is from the economist. it's about england.

times are tough for debbie, a prostitute in western england who runs a private flat with other 'mature ladies'. she does two or three jobs a day. a year ago she was doing eight or nine. she has cut her prices: 'if i hadn't, i wouldn't still be open. ' she says that she can now make more money doing up furniture and attending car-boot sales than she can turning tricks.

george mccoy, who runs a website reviewing over 5, 000 massage parlours and individuals, says that many are struggling. sex workers tell him they have been forced to hold down prices. like other businesses, massage parlours and private flats are suffering from rising rents and energy costs. even mr mccoy's website is under the cosh: visitor numbers are down by a third.

the days of being able to make a full-time living out of prostitution are long gone, reckons vivienne, at least in larger towns and cities. 'it's stupidly competitive right now, ' she laments. more people are entering prostitution, agrees cari mitchell of the english collective of prostitutes. some working women in westminster say they have halved their prices because the market has become so saturated. in london, and increasingly elsewhere, immigrants provide strong competition. but sophie, an expensive escort in edinburgh, says she is seeing an influx of newbies including students and the recently laid-off, many of them offering more for less.

parts of the sex trade are comparatively hale. at the top end of the market, marie, another escort in scotland, says custom has not dried up. girls increasingly report requests for discounts, she says. but those who lower their prices sometimes swiftly raise them again, deterred by the kind of customer who is attracted to bargains. the market for dominatrices is holding up well, too, according to mr mccoy. some of the cheapest massage parlours, such as club 25 in sheffield (the price is in the name) , attractive to the skint, are busy. some newcomers are offering cut-price services such as webcams and phone sex.

i had not considered europe as a place for my type of action. i am attracted to latinas. however, if germany has such low prices and lots of different ethnicities of women are going there to work, i will reconsider. i need to improve my own economic fortunes quickly so i can take advantage of these low prices!

[Iceberg27]

[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1455883]Dear Iceberg,

I suggest Odessa.

Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA

Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.

Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day. [/QUOT.

Henry I had arrived Evpatoria today. The place is full of women. Very crowded. I didn't see Odessa so I can't make a comparison but for freebies issue especially if you can speak Russian you have better chance here I think compared to Kiev and Kharkov. I will write a detailed report when I come back. Thanks for your contribution.

[Henri Dufresne]

Dear Iceberg,

I suggest Odessa.

Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA

Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.

Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day.