The Morality of Prostitution

[Dan7373]

I've spent some time with a P4P lady in Thailand. I wasn't just giving her money and banging her. We also stayed together, and we did everything together for several weeks. We got to know each other really well. And we trusted each other well enough to talk openly and sincerely about everything.

So, one day we were walking around the place where we stayed. And my lady was suddenly surprised to see her lady friend, with whom she worked before at a hotel. Both my lady and her friend used to work as cleaning ladies at a hotel. Her friend was walking around with a European guy, just like my lady was walking with me. But my lady didn't want to approach her friend and say Hi to her. My lady said that her friend was busy working with her European guy, and she didn't want to distract her from that.

So, they went their way, and we went our way. But my lady kept telling me just how surprised she was to see her friend obviously doing P4P work with a guy. Because when both my lady and her friend worked together as cleaning ladies at a hotel, then her friend often criticized the P4P ladies at the hotel for doing something shameful and dishonorable. This lady friend told my lady many times that she would never ever do something like this. P4P work was beneath her.

That's why my lady was so surprised to see her morally protesting friend now doing P4P work with a guy. Her friend was now doing something that she said she would never do.

But my lady didn't have anything negative to say about her friend for being morally inconsistent or being a hypocrite. She just accepted that her friend changed her mind, and she understood why her friend might want to change her mind this way.

They both worked as cleaning ladies. It was a lot of work and not too much money. And they were basically stuck in that situation. They were at the bottom of the social ladder. And they couldn't make it better, unless they did something different. P4P work was the obvious choice for both of them. Because they could make a lot more money, and they didn't have to work nearly as much or as hard.

And then on a different occasion, I was telling my lady that I came to Thailand to meet P4P ladies like her. And I said to her that in my own country I could get into a lot of trouble for doing this kind thing. So, were talking about the people who want to end prostitution and put ladies like her to work on regular jobs. And my lady got angry. Because she used to work at a regular job, and she knew what it was like. Basically she saw that regular work as a kind of exploitation that permanently left people in a bad situation.

Instead of seeing these people, who want to end prostitution, as being on her side and speaking for her interests, she saw them as a kind of enemies who want to violate her freedom and choice and return her back to unhappiness and exploitation.

I think the debate about prostitution nowadays comes down to debate about people's freedom to decide and to choose for themselves. And the people, who are trying to end prostitution with prohibitive and punitive laws, don't have a moral leg to stand on. So, instead of saying openly and honestly that that want to put some limits on the freedom of women and men to prohibit prostitution. They lie and pretend that all P4P ladies are forced and unfree, and there is no such thing as P4P by choice.

That's what their position basically comes down to. They claim that there is no such thing as P4P by choice. And to uphold their position, they do everything they can to ignore any objections from P4P ladies and not allow them to speak for themselves. They bring out only P4P ladies who suffered some kind of abuse and injustice to support their view, and they ignore the rest. And most P4P ladies aren't eager to speak out publicly and make themselves known. Because they can suffer from discrimination and abuse as a result of such revelation. Which enables opponents of prostitution to get away with their lies and propaganda.

In an honest debate about prostitution, the morality of prostitution comes down to the morality of freedom. Because the question is: Should consenting adults be free to choose and to be with each other as they wish? Or should there be limits on their freedom to make it better for society or for some other people?

Everything else is a red herring that distracts people from the issue of freedom. Because exceptions don't make the rule. Just because you can find some P4P ladies who are abused and who aren't free, doesn't necessarily mean that all P4P ladies are like that. Such cases are exceptions that exist mostly in countries that are trying to prohibit prostitution and as a result drive such women into the underground economy into the clutches of criminals and abusers.

[SubCmdr]

Hey, as a secret mongerer for quite some years I ask this question here. I am a 41 years old man with a good job. That found a beautiful lady of 28 years old. The first date I had with her I took her to a dinner and a show and then we had sex. I've paid her for this 500 euro. This is my and hers first experience at this dating app (seeking), so as we had fun we decided to continute together and we logged off the site. I never paid her any more money except from clothes meals and perfumes. We both have feeling for each other.

Here are my answers:

I just don't really understand what is the morality stand on this issue.

There is none. It was consensual.

Did I use her? As I am much wealthier than her.

No, financial status does not factor in it was a consensual relationship.

Is it a relationship?

It most certainly is brother. You want proof. I also made a connect with a girl from Seeking. Paid encounter the first visit. After that I just paid for the good times we shared together (picked up all the trip expenses). We shared many interests together. She went on trips with other men from seeking, keeping in touch with me and often telling me how bored she was with these other guys but she needed the money. She broke up with me because I wanted something more serious and she did not think I would be the type of man that she wanted for a long term relationship. She started dating someone else. It got serious. Then they broke up. She has kept in touch with me the entire time we have known each other. Now she is facing a serious illness and I check on her everyday. We have remained in touch for over 15 years.

So, my personal answer to your questions are that you are overthinking it. And my suggestion is to not do that.

Answering the question will she be with me without my money. Well she didn't ask any more money, and to some extant every woman marry up to a promise of a better life. I've never had this experience so forgive me for the naive questions.

Enjoy what you have. But my suggestion is not to get to serious about it. There is something to be said about how you two started. And if you want to get serious there will have to be some intense discussions about expectations. I don't know her, but human incentive is to be deceptive if you are truly offering to bring "life changing money" into her life.

Thanks in advance.

You are welcome.

[CitizenX1]

Hey, as a secret mongerer for quite some years I ask this question here.

I am a 41 years old man with a good job.

That found a beautiful lady of 28 years old.

The first date I had with her I took her to a dinner and a show and then we had sex.

I've paid her for this 500 euro.

This is my and hers first experience at this dating app (seeking), so as we had fun we decided to continute together and we logged off the site.

I never paid her any more money except from clothes meals and perfumes.

We both have feeling for each other.

I just don't really understand what is the morality stand on this issue.

Did I use her? As I am much wealthier than her.

Is it a relationship?

Answering the question will she be with me without my money. Well she didn't ask any more money, and to some extant every woman marry up to a promise of a better life.

I've never had this experience so forgive me for the naive questions.

Thanks in advance.

[BbqMushrooms]

I've been looking for this article about prostitution and mongering and why they would never be widely accepted in society. It went through each societal demographic and from their perspective on prostitution and its morality. For example. A newly married husband would be against it because they don't have the option since they are married to one woman for the rest of their life. A grandmother wouldn't want it because it means that either the young men in her family aren't meeting good women to marry or the young women in her family are working in this line of work that's unbecoming.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? I thought I saw it on stick man's blog but I emailed him and it didn't ring a bell for him.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBXhEy5P2M

This young American lady knows it all. 18 and a hardened hooker. You won't sweep her off her feet. Her take on Jesus is something else.

"£Once a trick, always a trick". She has more sound bites than Sun Tsu.

[CrowExplorer]

I'm interested in having sex with prostitutes abroad but there's no way in hell I'm going to to be unethical about it. How do I know which women are being forced to prostitute themselves or being controlled by pimps? Is there anything else I need to make sure to stay ethical?

Short of psychic ability, I don't see any way you could "know" whether a woman was being coerced somehow. However, I doubt that in poorer countries where prostitution is legal, they have to "coerce" women very often.

Even in the USA where prostitution is illegal (except Nevada), I've got a local Korean massage parlor I frequent, I know the owner (an older Korean lady), over the years she has had some good girls who really like the work, others that clearly aren't that into it, and don't stick around for very long. I've never gotten a vibe, like these girls are being "forced" into this line of work somehow. At most I've had a few girls who don't seem very enthusiastic, and as I said, it's not long before they quit. If they were being coerced they wouldn't exactly have an option to quit, would they?

These girls have the option to make the same amount of money in 4 hours as they would in 40 hours of legit work. I doubt there's much "coercion" taking place.

[PedroMorales]

That was a good and thoughtful post of yours. You are lucky to be in Ecuador where there is a large reservoir of willing female flesh. We, being unable to travel, are stuck with the women you describe and which Cardi be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardi_B#Controversies typified. I had never heard of this joker but her type is the high priestess women aspire to.

In the current economy, women don't need men. It is better to stay at home, to ponce off parents, to then move into their own rented dive, pay and fortune for it and party, party, party.

We are left with little choice as you say. No wonder men (and women) fall for online scammers as there is nothing for them and all educational propaganda is geared to saying being a man or a boy (climb trees) is wrong. One can be a LBSM+ degenerate and scare the pants off kids, but woe betide the middle aged + man who just wants a romp and a bonk.

Isn't it amazing about half the world have vaginas and we cannot get into one or more of them?

Meaningful mongering ravel seems off the menu for a long time. Besides paying over priced locally based hookers, the only way is to get among groups of them and pick one or more off. But that is almost impossible without having the attributes the pussy possessor have been groomed to admire. Hard times.

There is in my opinion a flaw in your logic, let's look at the way the world works in the west and the power dynamics that according to some women men have, women, get to choose which humans come into the world, they choose who they give their bodies too, in the west over 60% of college enrolled are women, women today in certain areas make more money than men, they hold more political power as well most voters are women, so it's clear just by reading the statistics it's not men who are "winning" and clearly the argument of my body my choice falls on deaf ears when it comes to prostitution.

What I believe is going on and this is a trend in the west, is an effort to restrict men's choices let's be clear about one fucking thing, it's literally almost criminal to approach women nowadays in some areas of the west "laws against catcalling" come to mind, why would men risk embarrassment, humiliation and possible criminal prosecution for striking up a conversation with girls who look like men and act like they have no interest in men, however, there is one reason and it's not moral against prostitution, it's an effort to restrict men's choices, women hate it when men have an advantage in the sexual market place and prostitution is just that, a choice it has always existed even in biblical times it's not "new", it's a power dynamic of the highest degree to restrict your freedom to choose. If prostitution existed for ex. In the US in all 50 states and territories, they would force women to do something they have not done in generation compete for your attention so yeah prostitution will not be legalized any time soon but the reason is not moral, clearly when a woman for ex. Cardi Bi an entertainer of sorts can publicly talk about drugging men and robbing them (illegal behavior) yet Bill Cosby gets canceled and thrown the book at for said behavior it's clearly not about morality it's abut about power my 2 cents.

[Upikey]

I'm interested in having sex with prostitutes abroad but there's no way in hell I'm going to to be unethical about it. How do I know which women are being forced to prostitute themselves or being controlled by pimps? Is there anything else I need to make sure to stay ethical?

[SeaBeeJoe]

Don't let anyone make you feel bad for mongering, in the USA Mongering is illegal but you are allowed to go to a strip club and throw money at a girl dancing naked on stage, you can throw as much money as you want, she can lead weak men thinking they'd get the chance to bone her so they can throw more money. If you and her (two consulting adults decide to BARTER sex for money, the American system was built around BARTER and its all of a sudden Illegal.

By the way, I used America for my example because most other countries really don't give two F*cks about mongering.

Bro you are spot on, that's why I never felt bad going to the clubs in Tijuana and other parts of the world. Our puritan values of old really need to be removed in terms of prostitution and mongering. Making mongering a felony in Texas. Wtf? That is completely retarded.

[DoomBringer321]

Over the past three decades, the sexual morals of many Western societies have changed beyond recognition. Most of the prohibitions that shaped the traditional, highly restrictive view of sex that prevailed until the 1950's. The ban on masturbation, premarital and extra-marital sex, promiscuity, and homosexuality. Were no longer seen as very serious, strict or, in fact, binding at all. In any case, a couple of customary forbiddances are still with us. The moral ban on prostitution, in particular, does not appear to have been drastically abolished or relaxed. Certainly, some of the old arguments against prostitution are rarely made these days; But then, many of the newer programs are very popular, at least in certain circles. Prostitution is no longer seen as the most extreme form of moral corruption; But the view that it is morally flawed at least seriously, if not obnoxious and intolerable, remains widely prevalent. In this paper, I would like to consider some of the main arguments in support of this view and try to show that none of them is convincing.

There is in my opinion a flaw in your logic, let's look at the way the world works in the west and the power dynamics that according to some women men have, women, get to choose which humans come into the world, they choose who they give their bodies too, in the west over 60% of college enrolled are women, women today in certain areas make more money than men, they hold more political power as well most voters are women, so it's clear just by reading the statistics it's not men who are "winning" and clearly the argument of my body my choice falls on deaf ears when it comes to prostitution.

What I believe is going on and this is a trend in the west, is an effort to restrict men's choices let's be clear about one fucking thing, it's literally almost criminal to approach women nowadays in some areas of the west "laws against catcalling" come to mind, why would men risk embarrassment, humiliation and possible criminal prosecution for striking up a conversation with girls who look like men and act like they have no interest in men, however, there is one reason and it's not moral against prostitution, it's an effort to restrict men's choices, women hate it when men have an advantage in the sexual market place and prostitution is just that, a choice it has always existed even in biblical times it's not "new", it's a power dynamic of the highest degree to restrict your freedom to choose. If prostitution existed for ex. In the US in all 50 states and territories, they would force women to do something they have not done in generation compete for your attention so yeah prostitution will not be legalized any time soon but the reason is not moral, clearly when a woman for ex. Cardi Bi an entertainer of sorts can publicly talk about drugging men and robbing them (illegal behavior) yet Bill Cosby gets canceled and thrown the book at for said behavior it's clearly not about morality it's abut about power my 2 cents.

[Jny88]

Don't let anyone make you feel bad for mongering, in the USA Mongering is illegal but you are allowed to go to a strip club and throw money at a girl dancing naked on stage, you can throw as much money as you want, she can lead weak men thinking they'd get the chance to bone her so they can throw more money. If you and her (two consulting adults decide to BARTER sex for money, the American system was built around BARTER and its all of a sudden Illegal.

By the way, I used America for my example because most other countries really don't give two F*cks about mongering.

[Intransit]

"*****phobia" Is a Real Word. Here's What It Means and Why You Should Care.

https://www.insidehook.com/article/s...ng/*****phobia

The demonization of sex work and sexual liberation has been around for. Ever. Will we ever care about the damage it causes?

BY KAYLA KIBBE at KAY_KIBBE.

A few weeks ago, comedian Anya Volz had the distinct yet relatable misfortune of revisiting some of her favorite films from the early aughts, only to discover that they are, in fact, pretty problematic.

"Trying to enjoy the comedies I grew up watching while now seeing how incredibly racist, homophobic, sexist, *****phobic, and ableist they all were," Volz wrote in a tweet accompanied by an old photo of Britney Spears flashing a pained grin paired with an unmistakable look of terror in her eyes on some red carpet years ago, probably around the same time many of those problematic jokes from Volz's favorite early-21st-century comedies were being drafted.

In a subsequent tweet, Volz noted that she had mistakenly left out "transphobic," which, she added, was perhaps a more prevalent offense "than all the other things combined!" But it wasn't Volz's belated nod to transphobia that got most people's attention. Rather, her mentions filled with replies from users puzzling or chuckling over the term "*****phobic," including one who, it feels worth noting, currently goes by the name "Shit Balls" on Twitter who insisted that "*****phobic is not a thing. ".

Click the link at the top if you'd like to read the rest of the article. If you do, you'll need to replace the "*****" string with the real word in the URL. The article has too many Instagram posts and other formatting issues to copy and paste it here conveniently. Thank you.

[UweHertzog459]

Over the past three decades, the sexual morals of many Western societies have changed beyond recognition. Most of the prohibitions that shaped the traditional, highly restrictive view of sex that prevailed until the 1950's. The ban on masturbation, premarital and extra-marital sex, promiscuity, and homosexuality. Were no longer seen as very serious, strict or, in fact, binding at all. In any case, a couple of customary forbiddances are still with us. The moral ban on prostitution, in particular, does not appear to have been drastically abolished or relaxed. Certainly, some of the old arguments against prostitution are rarely made these days; But then, many of the newer programs are very popular, at least in certain circles. Prostitution is no longer seen as the most extreme form of moral corruption; But the view that it is morally flawed at least seriously, if not obnoxious and intolerable, remains widely prevalent. In this paper, I would like to consider some of the main arguments in support of this view and try to show that none of them is convincing.

[JohnReter335]

Wow Intransit, that is one of the odder articles I've read this year. Who would have thought of being an Animal Crossing Dom? Certainly not me.

Even I'm not one of them and nobody thought about this earlier.

[Engine Driver]

I was bored at a baptism once and decided to read some Old Testament. Only time but I found this. It won't be word for word but went something like this: her sister lusted for the Assyrians for they were hung like horses. Yeah, I know, most of you guys are part Assyrian now.

Sex is sex. We are all animals and nothing wrong with that. If there's something more physically pleasurable please let me know.

The Philippines is a paradox. A country of contradictions and hypocrisy. A devoutly Catholic nation, its women are are the most promiscuous on the planet. Chocha Monger once wrote that for a Pinay, fucking a foreigner for money is like taking a shit. That is, she faces the same ethical dilemma in either activity.