The Morality of Prostitution

[Lysozymes]

atMein Dick: Bump for justice. Very well written summary of prostitution.

Since I live in Sweden, we have (in my opinion) two kinds of prostitution.

I) The local girls who needs extra income

II) trafficked girls from the east who needs to pay their pimps.

Morally, I think the pimps who force the girls to prostitution are the guilty ones.

The girls who sell their bodies of free will are grown up girls. They know it's a business. So at least their more honest than some gold digging women I've met.

The second group of girls have been forced into prostitution, through false promises of jobs. These girls are under constant threat of violence and drugs. They are the ones who needs help from society.

Morally accusing the girls who prostitute themselves is a waste of time. You either work for a better society or you help out at one of the womens shelter.

Prostitution thrives when there is poverty. It does well when there are large wealth disparities- wealthy people and very poor people. That is when there will be lots of attractive women offering low prices. When people are relatively wealthy, and have other options, then there will be less women willing to work as prostitutes. And, if they do, they will demand higher prices. The place with lots of poverty is likely to have lots of beautiful young women begging to do anything at bottom-basement prices. Whereas the place with more equal wealth distribution, social spending, etc., is more likely to have a handful of ugly working women demanding very high prices. That is the trend worldwide. In all these "sex paradises" that middle aged Western men and retirees go to score with teenage girls, mens' sexual fantasies are fulfilled because of poverty.

Prostitution is like a lot of other non-sexual jobs. When people have options they don't do certain things; or they demand higher prices to do certain things. Nowadays Western people tend to hire foreign housekeepers and gardeners. Why? Because citizens of Western countries won't do that work unless they're well paid. They don't need the money that badly. Foreigners are more desperate and will do the work for less. Just like Western corporations don't open sweatshops in the West. They open sweatshops in poorer countries. Because Western people just aren't going to make shoes or jeans at 3 cents an hour unless they're in prison. They don't have to. Same thing with prostitution. Poorer women have more motivation to work for less money.

Prostitution has been nearly eliminated in some places because they eliminated the conditions that are beneficial to prostitution. But the reality is most vocal, in public critics of prostitution are hypocrites who have no interest in actually preventing prostitution. Or in taking the necessary steps to eliminate it.

[Brazil Specialist]

I dunno.... I'd hesitate to comment on any trend in pricing for sex work... it just seems to be all over the map to me.... I know one girl who once charged a guy $500USD to masturbate him, and then later on she was fucking and sucking for $20USD a pop. I was good friends with a couple pros in NYC who would work the underground spots for $50-100 a pop and then the next day their one night a week at a high end club they would get hundreds out of guys who sometimes didn't do anything more than talk and fondle them a bit. I know another girl (gorgeous) who worked at a $150USD a pop spot here in Bogota and went to a $20USD spot and actually makes more money becuase it's higher turnaround.

This is so true here in Rio de Janeiro. I keep doing girls for US$ 15 or 20, who used to work in Help for US$ 150. And they make good money because of the volume of customers they do at low price places. And often they work concurrently at low price venues (for guaranteed regular income, and a place to stay overnight) and then go to Balcony to charge US$ 120 to 250.

It amazes me.

[Bango Cheito]

I have been to Columbia and some of the other seasoned travelers on this bored let me know that Columbian women can be very crafty in coming across as very sweet and telling men what they want to hear. Just something to keep in mind. I actually experienced that myself when I was there. Good thing I got a heads up beforehand.

You have NO idea..... I had one that had two of my best friends fooled and ALMOST fooled me... all I have to say is WATCH OUT FOR THOSE GIRLS FROM PASTO..... the joke is that people from there are stupid, it's the OPPOSITE... they are cunning and ruthless hahahahahahahaha

Australia/CBGB.... come if you wish but be prepared to walk the path of humility, you have SERIOUS competition from Colombian men. Learn to speak Spanish perfectly, learn the local slang perfectly, learn the local culture and history, plus that of the rest of the world, dance amazingly, drink all night and hold your liquor without making an ass of yourself, and be SERIOUSLY good looking and THEN you'll do well!!

[Gfechaser]

I've seen some MAJOR exceptions to that rule here in Colombia.... but to pick up THOSE girls it's really hard unless you look like something out of the movie 300....

I have been to Columbia and some of the other seasoned travelers on this bored let me know that Columbian women can be very crafty in coming across as very sweet and telling men what they want to hear. Just something to keep in mind. I actually experienced that myself when I was there. Good thing I got a heads up beforehand.

[Australiasucks]

Really? Then I my ass is on the next flight to Bogota.

[Bango Cheito]

I've seen some MAJOR exceptions to that rule here in Colombia.... but to pick up THOSE girls it's really hard unless you look like something out of the movie 300....

[Australiasucks]

If you really want to analyze male-female relationships in modern societies, its really all prostitution. The woman wants a man for $$$, lets face it, this is the dirty truth. You are attractive to a woman based on your financial condition not your physical appearance. A study at a univerisity even proved this, women were shown photos of a man in a three piece suit, one in a McDonalds' uniform, and one in a t-shirt and blue jeans. Guess who was considered most attractive? The one wearing a suit. Why? Because he appeared to be the most successful one. You exist to take care of her and pay her bills, that has been my experience with 95 percent of Western women, some girls are more explicit about it than others. So really what is the difference between handing a hooker $50 and getting into a relationship with the typical modern woman? In the former you are guaranteed a fuck, in the latter chances are you will be fucked.

[Angus Magee]

It is good to see some main stream news outlets publishing such articles as the following.

Instead of fighting the "***** stigma", middle-class feminists prefer to distance themselves from it, and by doing so reinforce it and exclude those who incarnate this identity. This participates in the segregation between women. This may be a form of internalised sexism by other women who think female sex workers give them a bad name. According to some anti-sex-workers' rights activists, sex workers maintain the idea that men can own women's bodies. Sex workers are told that they create a sexual pressure on the whole women class.

On the contrary, I think that it is by using expressions such as "selling your body" that we reinforce the idea of sex workers being owned and women as objects, while sex workers try to impose the term the "sale of sexual services" between two adult subjects. How can we talk about the ownership of our bodies when we are on the contrary those who impose their conditions? Isn't it an excuse not to question their own sexuality?

Full article here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...s-prostitution

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[Johnny Maldiva]

Have you been to Sydney or any other major world capital city? London? New York?? The name of the game in the big cities is money. I lived in Australia for nearly five decades, I can tell you its gotten progressively worse for sexual fun, about 20 years ago getting laid was quite simple, these days the city is a very ultra commercial capitalistic place, money flows in and out. See how women treat you if you are dressed well own a high end European car and see how they treat you if you do not have those things.

I've lived most of my life in Sydney and agree that money rules this city as far as corporations and big business, but getting laid doesn't rely on how much money you have. Money helps as far as relationships go becuase all women want long-term stability in relationships. But on a Saturday night in some club, women just react to what they see in front of them and whether the guy is playing the "game" good enough to take them home. It's not about money... How do guys with regular, low-end jobs get laid? If you were watching the news a few weeks ago, "tradies" were the top job for sexual attractiveness in guys and they earn average wages.

[Australiasucks]

Disagree.

In ANY city, fun is what you make it. Maybe after the first few dates the woman will expect to be treated like a Queen and taken for a horse-drawn carriage ride through the town, but generally if there's a real connection, you needn't spend more than 50-60 bucks for a simple dinner with a nice meal where you each pay your way. I don't subscribe to the "man pays for everything" notion anymore as it's too old-fasioned. If you need to spend hundreds to have "fun" with a woman, something is seriously wrong and you should question where this "fun" is leading, if anywhere.

Have you been to Sydney or any other major world capital city? London? New York?? The name of the game in the big cities is money. I lived in Australia for nearly five decades, I can tell you its gotten progressively worse for sexual fun, about 20 years ago getting laid was quite simple, these days the city is a very ultra commercial capitalistic place, money flows in and out. See how women treat you if you are dressed well own a high end European car and see how they treat you if you do not have those things.

[Johnny Maldiva]

I think prostitution is perfectly moral when you know what you're getting and pay for it accordingly. It's a business transaction, though you often don't get a refund for a faulty service.

[Johnny Maldiva]

I would actually agree with that, a good date in my part of town will easily set you back 300 dollars, and that is the price of a nice fuck at a decent brothel. Still you get more oohh and ahh when its not a business transaction. Fun costs money, I live in one of the most expensive places on Earth.

Disagree.

In ANY city, fun is what you make it. Maybe after the first few dates the woman will expect to be treated like a Queen and taken for a horse-drawn carriage ride through the town, but generally if there's a real connection, you needn't spend more than 50-60 bucks for a simple dinner with a nice meal where you each pay your way. I don't subscribe to the "man pays for everything" notion anymore as it's too old-fasioned. If you need to spend hundreds to have "fun" with a woman, something is seriously wrong and you should question where this "fun" is leading, if anywhere.

[Australiasucks]

I would actually agree with that, a good date in my part of town will easily set you back 300 dollars, and that is the price of a nice fuck at a decent brothel. Still you get more oohh and ahh when its not a business transaction. Fun costs money, I live in one of the most expensive places on Earth.

[Doctor_Skank]

Dating sites are a pain in the ass. Lots of pre-date/research work involved and then, even though both sides probably are just looking for sexual adventure, you still have to go through the motions (and expense) of at least one date.

And all this for a girl you want to fuck 2 or 3 times max before moving on.

In societies where pro sex is plentiful and affordable, it's a no brainer to go for the pro option.

"You don't pay them for sex, you pay them to leave afterwards." Still true.

[Bango Cheito]

I have to second this...

I have currently several women who ostensibly are down for whatever with me, but even just getting the schedules together is a ***** on wheels... it's just so easy to go into the brothel here for like $15 or $20 any time during their hours of operation.... :P 50% of my sex life is still p4p just for that simple reason... people have such a hard fucking time getting their shit together to be at a specific place at a specific time...

Heaps of sites, maybe. Craigslist casual encounters, adultfriendfinder.com, etc. come to mind. From what I understand, even the places with the most female population are still 55%-45%. (Askmen.com had this statistic somewhere on their site if memory serves.)

I have no doubt that a man could be successful with effort and patience, but in the meantime I don't think your working women colleagues have anything to worry about. One can find a working girl and get laid then and there with a probability of 1. Or, one can find a casual encounters website, pay the monthly fee for a few months, and eventually find a partner, with a per night probability significantly less than 1.