The Morality of Prostitution

[Drive]

Prostitution is morally wrong behavior, but I'm all for legalizing it.

I'm for legalizing it because it's not morally wrong if a woman chooses that profession. It's her body, her choice. What's morally wrong is when anyone, regardless of gender, is forced into it. Also, the subtle implication is that a woman is not strong / smart enough to be able to choose prostitution, that there must be coercion via, usually a pimp or gang, behind it. In short, male dominated societies fear strong women in control of their own lives.

[Pahllus Maximus]

The reality is that most women grow out of sex by about 30, and many men do not. Part of this is because we get close to 100% orgasm rate and get about a 20%. This mismatch is answered by financial handcuffs, frustration or P4 P, overt or covert. It is certainly the case in the West and in Asia, given the number of Asian mongers I come accross. I think its part of the human condition. Sure, the demands of children / career creep in, but the typical male still wants it and does not get it. Women assume their lack of urge is the same as ours. A fatal error.

So rather than starve, we hunt, and hence this forum. It's natural, and few percent of women have catered to that need for thousands of years. Eventually the male gets smart and realises marriage is a con, or they don't have go without. We often deceive to segment real emotions. And often guilt mistaken for love. From a very real physical need that is unmet. Its not just going to a restaurant for a change: its a question of starving and no food at all.

This duality and tension is why women hate P4 P: power, freedom of the male and clarity of what relationships really mean if they fail to meet basic needs and we are not enough of a priority. The P4 P girls are catalysts for this epiphany. That is an existential issue and so why their reaction is so strong.

Like so many here, I'm transitioning from the fairytale that underwrites female power to being a free agent, real friends for emotional and intellectual needs where I find them and P4 P other bits, decoupling the notion a female can cover it all. Some might, but the majority do not.

Let's celebrate our freedom and choice. Tell the feminazis to sod off with their jedi mind games. Enough said, time to focus on hotties having their tonsils massaged and skin tingling pleasure. We only live once.

[Pahllus Maximus]

The reality is that most women grow out of sex by about 30, and many men do not. Part of this is because we get close to 100% orgasm rate and get about a 20%. This mismatch is answered by financial handcuffs, frustration or P4 P, overt or covert. It is certainly the case in the West and in Asia, given the number of Asian mongers I come accross. I think its part of the human condition. Sure, the demands of children / career creep in, but the typical male still wants it and does not get it. Women assume their lack of urge is the same as ours. A fatal error.

So rather than starve, we hunt, and hence this forum. It's natural, and few percent of women have catered to that need for thousands of years. Eventually the male gets smart and realises marriage is a con, or they don't have go without. We often deceive to segment real emotions. And often guilt mistaken for love. From a very real physical need that is unmet. Its not just going to a restaurant for a change: its a question of starving and no food at all.

This duality and tension is why women hate P4 P: power, freedom of the male and clarity of what relationships really mean if they fail to meet basic needs and we are not enough of a priority. The P4 P girls are catalysts for this epiphany. That is an existential issue and so why their reaction is so strong.

Like so many here, I'm transitioning from the fairytale that underwrites female power to being a free agent, real friends for emotional and intellectual needs where I find them and P4 P other bits, decoupling the notion a female can cover it all. Some might, but the majority do not.

Let's celebrate our freedom and choice. Tell the feminazis to sod off with their jedi mind games. Enough said, time to focus on hotties having their tonsils massaged and skin tingling pleasure. We only live once.

[NoWahalla]

A very interesting article on the bbc.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26261221

[Rio D]

Somaly Mam & the Cult Of Pretty Victims

http://news.yahoo.com/somaly-mam-cult-pretty-victims-172000455--politics.html;_ylt=AwrBEiGjGY5TG2kAUvLQtDMD

[Jp Slicky]

Prostitution can be nothing more than an agreement between two consenting adults.

It becomes a problem when kids or making others do it against their will.

[Donovan7]

Prostitution is morally wrong behavior, but I'm all for legalizing it. I think if it's regulated and taxed relentlessly it would be a lot safer and provide some financial gain.

It's going to happen regardless is illegal or not.

[Errol Flynn]

"WITH a sensational story of surviving child sex slavery in Cambodia, Somaly Mam became a worldwide icon, the best-selling author of a memoir and the head of a foundation raising millions in the name of saving girls and women from the sex trade...But all this wasn't true.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/op...f=opinion&_r=0

[Jp Slicky]

I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women, the other half I wasted.

[Sly One]

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is of historical interest, but it is irrelevant in contemporary intellectual thought. However, as you bring it up, what Maslow was describing is an order of needs people strive to meet. First, people are preoccupied with the basic biological needs necessary for survival. Sex, as it appears in this level of the pyramid, does not refer to the insatiable quest of those most sublime sexual experiences that motivate a true monger, rather it refers to nothing more than the primordial drive to perpetuate the species. Maslow believed once a more basic need is satisfied we are free to pursue satisfaction at the next and then the next and then the next levels of the hierarchy: the pursuit of bourgeois interests such as the acquisition of a family, property, and debt; cluttering our lives with social attachments to so called friends and loved ones; inflating our sense of self worth by deluding ourselves into thinking we are impressing others...

Once you have had a good feed, and then sucked and fucked. You are free to go to the pub and enjoy a few beers with the boys.

Sly

[TonyIndian]

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is of historical interest, but it is irrelevant in contemporary intellectual thought. However, as you bring it up, what Maslow was describing is an order of needs people strive to meet. First, people are preoccupied with the basic biological needs necessary for survival. Sex, as it appears in this level of the pyramid, does not refer to the insatiable quest of those most sublime sexual experiences that motivate a true monger, rather it refers to nothing more than the primordial drive to perpetuate the species. Maslow believed once a more basic need is satisfied we are free to pursue satisfaction at the next and then the next and then the next levels of the hierarchy: the pursuit of bourgeois interests such as the acquisition of a family, property, and debt; cluttering our lives with social attachments to so called friends and loved ones; inflating our sense of self worth by deluding ourselves into thinking we are impressing others; and reaching ones full potential. Whatever the hell that means.

I would argue that some of us have attained a degree of clarity that enables us to recognize this for what it really is, a bunch of poppy cock. Mongers not only know where to find their next meal, but can plunk themselves down anywhere in the world and quickly identify the best watering holes. We understand that only peasants who are driven to produce a large litter to help them meet their quota confuse sex with procreation. Our appreciation for anal sex clearly illustrates that we understand that sex has nothing to do with contributing to the over population of the planet, a realization that came upon the Marque de Sade as he watched, from the window of his cell, the noble class being culled by the guillotine. We understand that anyone who claims to love us is either crazy and not to be trusted or a blood sucking leach who is really not to be trusted. We could give a rat's ass about impressing anyone. And we realize ones full potential is only about fucking as many women as we can, preferably in all three holes. And we prefer women who understand that sex is a simple economic transaction and are willing to briefly rent their bodies to us to satisfy our depraved lusts.

In short, Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a bunch of bull.

Chuckled and found myself agreeing with every word. You sir are a genius.

But how do asexuals fit in to this worldview?

And, though as you've rightly stated that sex has nothing to do in a mental sense, with procreation- one can't possibly ignore the instinct that motivates the act. Testosterone. We are no different from rats, dogs and other mammals. To think so is a fallacy. And I am not sure if the three holes theory that you have put forth is defensible in that, dogs (for eg.) in heat have been known to masturbate by rubbing themselves on a human's leg.

[Luckyguy7198]

http://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=...7s_the_Harm%3F

In this BBC documentary Billie JD Porter goes in search of the human face of the prostitution business in Britain, talking to the young men who routinely pay for sex about why they do it, and to the young women who sell their bodies about what's in it for them.

[SavePros321]

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff.

Posted Mar 21, 2014 4:18 AM CDT.

(NEWSER) – Cops in Hawaii are fighting to keep what they describe as an important legal protection: Permission to have sex with prostitutes. A state bill cracking down on prostitution originally scrapped an exemption allowing undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes, but it was controversially restored after police testimony, the AP finds. Police won't say how often the exemption is used, but critics argue that it leaves the system wide open to abuse, noting that there have been many cases nationwide of police officers extorting sex from prostitutes.

The chief of Honolulu's vice squad argued the exemption is necessary because prostitutes and pimps are otherwise "going to know exactly how far the undercover officer can and cannot go." A former FBI agent who trained vice squads around the country for 20 years, however, says he doesn't know of any other state or federal law that allows undercover officers to do what the Hawaii law allows."Isn't one of the biggest questions here just why, exactly, Hawaii needs a exemption like this for their sex sting operations and none of the other law enforcement agencies in other states need one?" asks Rebecca Rose at Jezebel."They seem to be able to bust prostitutes and pimps in other states just fine without allowing their officers to engage in sexual acts."

http://www.newser.com/story/184122/h...campaign=story

[Intransit]

http://www.economist.com/news/united...stics?fsrc=nlw|hig|3-20-2014|8090612|119826733|AP.

'IT'S hard out here for a pimp, ' complains the Three 6 Mafia, a rap group. A new study by the Urban Institute, a think-tank, casts doubt on this assertion. After investigating the sex trade in eight big American cities, researchers concluded that pimps can do rather well for themselves. Some in Atlanta bring in $33, 000 a week, the study estimates.

Tracking the sex trade is hard. It is legal only in parts of Nevada. Elsewhere there are no receipts; researchers relied instead on interviews with lawyers, police, prostitutes and pimps. Their fat report, commissioned by the Justice Department, brought squeals of pleasure from journalists everywhere, who tended to play up evidence that the oldest profession is booming.

But it doesn't appear to be. In five out of seven cities, the underground sex industry shrank between 2003 and 2007, the study found. (In one place, Kansas City, Missouri, there was not enough evidence to decide.) In Washington, DC, takings fell by 34. In Denver, with a population of 2. 5m in 2007 if you include the suburbs, the sex trade grossed a mere $40m. The demand for sex probably does not change much over time, but other things do.

A century ago, when sexual mores were stricter, prostitution was more common and better paid (see table). Men's demand for commercial sex was higher because the non-commercial sort was harder to obtain—there was no premarital hook-up culture. Women were attracted to prostitution in part because their other job opportunities were so meagre. And they commanded high wages partly because the social stigma was so great—without high pay, it was not worth enduring it.

The price for a trick today ranges from miserable ($15) to ample ($1, 000 or more). Prostitutes have many options besides street-walking. The internet makes it easier for them to set up 'dates' and negotiate prices, and harder for the police to catch them. They feel less vulnerable using social-media sites than doing the 'stroll'. But 36% nonetheless report that some clients were violent or abusive.

Pimps, who are often women, tend to follow a business plan. They impose rules, such as 'no drugs' or 'no young clients' (who are more likely than older men to be violent). They are flexible with pricing, offering special deals for loyal customers and swiftly adapting to economic downturns. A third of pimps delegate management, training and even recruitment to an experienced employee called a 'bottom girl'. About 15% admitted to beating up their staff. Others, however, thought violence was bad for business. One pimp said: 'One bad girl can knock your whole stable loose. Get rid of the bad apple. If I needed to hit them, I didn't need them. '

[Intransit]

http://www.thetakeaway.org/story/economics-sex-work/

A landmark government study issued earlier this week finds that the sex trade can be a very lucrative business.

The report, commissioned by the Justice Department from the Urban Institute, compiled data from eight cities: Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, Miami, San Diego, Seattle and Washington, D. C. According to the report, the trade is most lucrative in Atlanta, where it rakes in $290 million annually—more than the underground drug and gun trades combined.

The study also examined the sex trade in the internet age, where advertising sites like Craigslist have radically changed the business. Robert Kolker, an editor at New York magazine, examined this issue in his book,"Lost Girls: An Unsolved American Mystery." Kolker began his research by exploring a string of prostitution murders on Long Island.

He uncovered a range of economic issues that push many women into the sex trade, topics familiar to Melissa Gira Grant, author of "Playing the working girl: The Work of Sex Work."

Grant and Kolker discuss the economics of sex work and the challenges facing many women in the industry.