The Morality of Prostitution

[Oliver Kitsoff]

It is the 'criminalization' of prostitution that makes for fertile ground of exploitation.

Even in Australia where it is legal (but getting a work visa to be a prostitute is not an option) well guess what? That's right, sex-slaves brought in from SEA countries. This would end overnight if they gave working girls a visa like any other professional, talk about dumb and dumber! 'Morality', is exactly the issue that turns a fair exchange of sex for compensation into a twisted crime-infested cesspit where the most vulnerable suffer needlessly and dreadfully.

Women should be free to choose to sell their time and affection without all this hypocritical bullshit and judgement. Without working girls, many of our lives would be very much less joyful. They should be made the heroes of society!

[Hind31]

Well, we are animals. Like it or not. The idealism and morality chaining men and women to a single person is against nature.

Now, having said that, can exploitation be accepted or tolerated? No. We must not.

Independent providers are available throughout the world. And there is, to my mind, nothing wrong if that is between two consenting and mature adults.

My two cents.

[DavePhx]

wow: did not realize that child prostitution was prevalent in us.

my guess is maybe 2000 consenting adults also arrested as in the past, but this is the largest. the "rescue" industry is a huge money maker for catholic charities, federal and local law enforcement.

the stats on how rare "child prostitution is. maybe 1 in 5000+ ads

yet this is a huge money raising scheme to "rescue" that results in mostly in arrests of private consenting adults. legal in almost all the world and no big deal except in the u. s, because christian groups behind repressive laws just know what is best for us. or,"conservatives" who are against big bad government except when it comes to intrusion in personal sex lives, sexual orientation, or reproductive women's rights.

just how serious is the crisis of **** prostitutes nationwide? here are some arrest / rescue statistics from the fbi 2008 to 2012 [these are the numbers and stats provided by the us government, and are not estimates or guesses- but the number of persons actually taken into custody by law enforcement agents]

operation cross country vi (june 2012) fbi / local busts including phoenix.

2, 500 state, local, and federal officers in

57 cities us cities resulting in:

79 children "rescued" [**** 18]

104 alleged pimps arrested.

total of 183 arrests or 3. 2 persons arrested per city and approximately 14 law enforcement agents per arrested individual.

if there were only 79 children arrested (rescued) that means that each child rescue / arrest required 31 law enforcement agents per arrest; and if those 104 alleged pimps shared 79 child prostitutes, how did they make any money at all? that would be. 75 prostitutes per pimp- how on earth did any of those alleged pimps make any money off their pimping efforts? did they have some sort of child prostitute time share program?

the cops had 4 days to find more victims and pimps.

does this sound like there is a crisis?

how old were the 'children'? the ages of the arrested / rescued children were not noted in the press release of this rescue operation. but we know from the arrest stats from the fbi that the majority of **** persons arrested were 17. which, in many states, is over the age of consent.

so why are they still considered 'children' unless the persons who call them 'children' have a vested interest in making people believe that most prostitutes are children? perhaps because they get more money from the gullible public and the government when they are called children rather than teenagers or just 'minors'?

previous sting operations multiple agencies result in very few child arrests- plenty of adults

69 children rescued. 885 arrests in operation cross country v 2011 (40 cities) = 954 total arrests / 23 arrests per city total and 1. 7 minors arrested per city.

50 children rescued. 700 arrests in operation cross country iv 2010 (36 cities) = 750 total arrests / 20. 83 arrests per city total and 1. 3 minors arrested per city.

48 children rescued. 571 arrests in operation cross country iii 2009 (29 cities) = 619 total arrests 21 arrests per city total including adults / 1. 6 minors arrested per city.

47 children rescued. 642 arrests in operation cross country ii 2008 (29 cities) = 689 total arrests 23. 75 arrests per city including adults / 1. 6 minors per city arrested.

21 children rescued. 389 arrests in operation cross country i 2008? (16 cities) = 410 total arrests 25. 6 arrests per city 1. 3 minors per city.

there are more cops who diddle children each year than are found through all these sting operations combined:

http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...news&itemid=50

for more stats from the government which expose the lies these politicians tell, http://www.policeprostitutionandpoli...rafficking.pdf

stats shared by norma jean almodovar (cop to callgirl book fame)

[MS Clive]

Wow: Did not realize that child prostitution was prevalent in US.

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-arres...154521080.html

Why do people become so sick? Are there no boundaries?

[Paul Kausch]

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is of historical interest, but it is irrelevant in contemporary intellectual thought. However, as you bring it up, what Maslow was describing is an order of needs people strive to meet. First, people are preoccupied with the basic biological needs necessary for survival. Sex, as it appears in this level of the pyramid, does not refer to the insatiable quest of those most sublime sexual experiences that motivate a true monger, rather it refers to nothing more than the primordial drive to perpetuate the species. Maslow believed once a more basic need is satisfied we are free to pursue satisfaction at the next and then the next and then the next levels of the hierarchy: the pursuit of bourgeois interests such as the acquisition of a family, property, and debt; cluttering our lives with social attachments to so called friends and loved ones; inflating our sense of self worth by deluding ourselves into thinking we are impressing others; and reaching ones full potential. Whatever the hell that means.

I would argue that some of us have attained a degree of clarity that enables us to recognize this for what it really is, a bunch of poppy cock. Mongers not only know where to find their next meal, but can plunk themselves down anywhere in the world and quickly identify the best watering holes. We understand that only peasants who are driven to produce a large litter to help them meet their quota confuse sex with procreation. Our appreciation for anal sex clearly illustrates that we understand that sex has nothing to do with contributing to the over population of the planet, a realization that came upon the Marque de Sade as he watched, from the window of his cell, the noble class being culled by the guillotine. We understand that anyone who claims to love us is either crazy and not to be trusted or a blood sucking leach who is really not to be trusted. We could give a rat's ass about impressing anyone. And we realize ones full potential is only about fucking as many women as we can, preferably in all three holes. And we prefer women who understand that sex is a simple economic transaction and are willing to briefly rent their bodies to us to satisfy our depraved lusts.

In short, Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a bunch of bull.

[TonyIndian]

Perhaps we should create a Monger's theory with sexual gratficatiom on top, money and security below, and work on the bottom.

This should be interesting. https://infogr.am

[D Cups]

There is a hole in Maslow's theory called the starving artist syndrome. Case-in-point: Van Gogh's timeless paintings now sell for millions while the artist died penniless (and earless purportedly due to being jilted by a prostitute).

Perhaps we should create a Monger's theory with sexual gratficatiom on top, money and security below, and work on the bottom. American women would no longer be part of the pyramid because they have been replaced with foreign women in Asia and Latin America. What think ye?

Is this guy full of shit, or are most of us stuck at the bottom level (image attached)?

Personally I think a lot of us may just have somehow circumvented the part of sex as a physiological need at either bottom level, or as a psychological need at a higher level. I'm not claiming to be at the top of the pyramid in the chart but I don't think that I'm stuck at level 0 either. Thoughts?

[Dickhead]

If only true detachment can produce happiness, it would seem like masturbation would be the way to go, not prostitution. Prostitution is merely a step along the road to true detachment. That's one of the things I like about prostitution. It can be whatever YOU want it to be. I've had sex with women whose names I did not know and at whom I barely looked, and I've had long-standing relationships with a high degree of intimacy with prostitutes. Either way, I paid them and they went away and none of their problems were my problems between when they left and the next time I saw them, IF I saw them again. I saw one gal a couple of times and she started to tell me her name and I said,"No, don't; it's perfect this way." Saw her three or four more times and then ciao. In a relationship like a marriage you are implicitly and subtly negotiating and compromising all the time. I would rather negotiate explicitly and overtly, and I dislike compromise as it leaves both parties unsatisfied.

[Wolvenvacht]

Is this guy full of shit, or are most of us stuck at the bottom level (image attached)?

Personally I think a lot of us may just have somehow circumvented the part of sex as a physiological need at either bottom level, or as a psychological need at a higher level. I'm not claiming to be at the top of the pyramid in the chart but I don't think that I'm stuck at level 0 either. Thoughts?

All the trouble and unhappiness in the world comes from being attached to something. Only true detachment can bring you true happiness. Hence a "piramid" of needs is indeed bullsh*t. None of these needs are better or worse than any other need. Attachment to any of these will make you unhappy in the end. There is a good argument to make that people on the top of this piramid will be the most unhappy as they have fullfilled all the lower level needs.

[TonyIndian]

Is this guy full of shit, or are most of us stuck at the bottom level (image attached)?

Personally I think a lot of us may just have somehow circumvented the part of sex as a physiological need at either bottom level, or as a psychological need at a higher level. I'm not claiming to be at the top of the pyramid in the chart but I don't think that I'm stuck at level 0 either. Thoughts?

[Param Ahmad]

....I'm visiting Madrid in April, its my first time there and I'm going to be on my own! I'm 21 and I consider myself to be good looking. I am fluent in English but can barely say a word in Spanish....

If you're 21 and good looking, are you sure you need to be paying For pretty young women's intimate company? If you're short, say, under about 5'9" (175cm) , or overweight, or unemployed, or have a low-status job (eg, working at McDonalds) maybe you do. But if you're 21 and good looking, and fairly tall, and not especially overweight, even if you're just a waiter or server in a nice restaurant, or even a coffee shop, you can probably do okay with pretty young women if you have the appearance Of better job prospects or future financial success. It's a lot more meaningful and emotionally fulfilling if she seems to find you Attractive rather than being with you because she's being paid. As I once wrote: "A disadvantage of sex with prostitutes is the intimacy and companionship that are more likely to exist in a long-term relationship with one woman." Furthermore, what will you say if you meet the girl-of-your-dreams (if you think in those terms) and she asks you if you've ever paid for sex? Will you lie? She may want to know how many there were, and she's more likely to accept you if your answer is none or only a few rather than many. Plus, that way you can be with women who speak your language, English, fluently: Free-flowing verbal communication adds enormously to the value of a relationship. Sex gets you only so far. To enjoy a woman's company after enough time has gone by, you will need to be able talk with her freely and fluently.

I suggest trying to have relationships with pretty young women who don't have to be paid while you're still young enough for it to be possible. Then, if you're single or divorced in your late 40s or older, and all you hear from pretty young single women is "I can't, I have a boyfriend" or "You're too old" or "You're not my type" or the like, then Start paying for pretty young women's intimate company.

But be leery of marriage and parenthood because of today's unfair divorce and child support laws. See:

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/para...0/prostitu.htm

(This web site's automatic editing software automatically capitalizes the first letter after italics, and inserts a space after a closing parenthesis and before a comma. I didn't write it the way this web site's automatic editing software makes it appear.)

[MrAdams]

Hi Guys!

I have experience of both P4P and freebies and I will have to say that in most cases the Pros are so much better than the average girl.

The absolutely best thing is to find a P4P Girl that you have some chemistry with. Thats gold.

I dunno what you say, have you guys made the same experience as me or have I just been unfortune to pick inexperienced (virgins?) freebies?

[MrManGuy]

I think international sex tourism is plainly exploitative. However, the women get what they deserve, they should just get a job and work like everyone else in their misery ridden nation.

Remember that women are wired differently and it is basically in their nature to be prostitutes, so overall I don't see a problem.

[Sausage King]

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p.../article/6606/

See also my report in this section on 09-20-2010 quoting a former prostitute, Rubber Nursey.

Whether it is a myth or not I have no idea, but that website isn't a reliable source. It also 'debunks' man made climate change. Scientists don't debunk it however, just websites like this. I wouldn't trust it.

[Param Ahmad]

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p.../article/6606/

See also my report in this section on 09-20-2010 quoting a former prostitute, Rubber Nursey.