Thread: The Morality of Prostitution
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12-06-06 09:52 #2768
Posts: 233China Lily - Thanks for responding with such feeling
I never expected you to respond the way you did. I guess it shows we guys don't know how you girls feel inside. I noticed a link was put in the "REPORTS OF DISTINCTION" - it shows people appreciate to see how you, RN and Sasha think. It helps us. Thank you.
One guy commented that you have such good English, and asked why don't you get another job? I think you answered that. My gf had good English too but not as good as yours. How come your English is so good? and are there other girls you work with with such good English?
As for the idea of a guy on this forum coming to look for you, I personally recommend to the guys here we keep what we say on this site to this site and not put the girls on the spot. I can be more open than I can with friends here and I'm sure China Lily would feel the same way as RN makes so clear.
China Lily, you talk about competition and being afraid and being 2 selves one who works and another who is the original you. I never thought about it this way before. Maybe we guys have multiple selves too. The mongers who go to working girls are different from the self we show to our families.
Best, Alex
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12-06-06 09:39 #2767
Posts: 3542Originally Posted by Bango Cheito
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 09:20 #2766
Posts: 3542Oh Lily!!!
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
I've been on this site for years (six or seven, maybe?) and have never seen any of my WSG 'friends' as clients... I think it just blurs the boundary between paid sex and casual sex a little too much for my liking.
On your boundaries between paid and casual sex etc - is that necessarily BAD? I mean, why would it be so bad to enjoy paid sex for a WG? Perhaps it would go a ways towards making Lily a bit happier with her own life. I treat my mistress as my girlfriend in practically every way - except of course that I do pay her. Oh of course not each time we do it, rather monthly like a husband gives household expense monies to a wife - no different actually! And she tells me how much she truly loves me/worried that when we do part and she 'needs to' find a real husband, that she will really have a hard time finding anybody that she enjoys life AND sex with so much. OK OK, she may just be stoking my ego etc (I don't think so) but what is so bad about this and is it so different from what an ordinary 'non-paid' girl would say?
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 09:12 #2765
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Bango Cheito
I thought prostitution was legal in Aus. Is it not? I know it is illegal in China but largely ignored except for when the outside media gives them bad press.
In my state (Western Australia), the act of having sex for money is not technically illegal, but most things surrounding it - such as where you do it, how you procure it, who you work with, etc - are criminalised, which means it's almost impossible to work within the law. Street work is illegal and those laws are strictly enforced. Brothels are illegal, but 'unofficially' tolerated - however, raids, threats and harassment by police are commonplace.
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12-06-06 08:48 #2764
Posts: 1281I can understand that. I generally don't repeat much with WGs because of that. Part of the draw for me is for personality and friendship and all that stuff to NOT play in it, to just be getting intimate with some total stranger. If I wanted a gf I'd get a gf, well actually, I have a gf already but to me part of the idea of paying for sex is to deliberately bypass all the sentimental emotional shit.
That brings up an interesting question I have thought about before, what happens when somebody you know from your 'regular' existence winds up as a (potential?) client, or you are the client and THEY are working somewhere?
I thought prostitution was legal in Aus. Is it not? I know it is illegal in China but largely ignored except for when the outside media gives them bad press.
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12-06-06 08:19 #2763
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by SE Asia Joe
I've been on this site for years (six or seven, maybe?) and have never seen any of my WSG 'friends' as clients. The guys on this Forum know the 'real me' too well, which limits my ability to construct a working persona or create any sort of fantasy. It would be too much like having sex with a friend - and charging a friend for sex, for some reason, just doesn't seem right. I think it just blurs the boundary between paid sex and casual sex a little too much for my liking.
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12-06-06 07:34 #2762
Posts: 3542Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
. This is an ideal place for frank male/female discussion - the sexually explicit nature of the forum and the anonymity the internet provides, creates a perfect environment for open and honest discussion between men and women. Maybe Jackson should be nominated for some sort of Community Service Award?! haha
And yes I'm all for nominating Jackson for some kind of GLOBAL award and recognition - how do you figure we could do this? Anybody concur with our idea/can come up with ideas?
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 07:20 #2761
Posts: 1345Bango Cheito,
I should probably clarify that I in NO WAY think that sex work is 'unskilled' work!! I just meant that you don't need certificates or diplomas or any other formal qualification in order to start work.
I totally agree that it takes much more than an ability to moan on cue to be a successful hooker and that running a small business is, in itself, no easy task.
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12-06-06 07:10 #2760
Posts: 1345You're most welcome, Joe.
I should probably remind everyone though, that when Sasha, Lily and I share our personal experiences, we are only sharing our personal experiences. We can't speak for ALL sex workers.
Yes, we have similar experiences and emotions, as sex workers AND as women, but the three of us are very different people from different countries with different experiences of sex work and, on some issues, we apparently have very different views.
Sasha works in a decriminalised environment, I worked in an illegal environment, Lily works in a completely different scene altogether. Sasha and I both love sex work...Lily doesn't like her job. Lily and I protect our sex worker status at all costs...Sasha is open and honest to everyone about her profession. Lily pines for real love, Sasha seems happy to be a single 'career hooker', me...I always wanted to find a way I could have both at the same time!
I'm really glad that you get as much out of talking to us, as we (or at least, I) get out of talking to you guys. This is an ideal place for frank male/female discussion - the sexually explicit nature of the forum and the anonymity the internet provides, creates a perfect environment for open and honest discussion between men and women. Maybe Jackson should be nominated for some sort of Community Service Award?! haha
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12-06-06 06:28 #2759
Posts: 3542Thank You
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 06:23 #2758
Posts: 3542Wow - Dynamite!!
Originally Posted by China Lily
I've searched and read every one of your posting - and I think I'm all the better informed/knowledgeable for having done so. Thanks - and I hope that you will give us some more 'insights' into the psyche of a WG - especially one from China as I do go in quite regularly. I especially appreciate your report as I do think that in such an anonymous setting as the internet thread is, most people could be/would be completely honest. Like I said, I've been with quite a wide variety of Ladies - both professional as well as non-pro, and I do do a lot of talking with them - but there is always the lingering thought that one could never really be 100% honest in person vs/ when one is anonymous.
thanks
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 06:08 #2757
Posts: 1281Rock Dog, what you are talking about is the dream of pretty much all immigrants everywhere. My grandpa came over from Italy planning to work for a few years, go back, and have enough money to be good in Italy, but it didn't work out, and he died 40 years later freezing his nuts off in Winnipeg.
50% of immigrants to Canada and the USA actually do eventually end up repatriating. Most of the rest have it in their heads at all times though. VERY few people immigrate wanting to spend the rest of their lives in their 'new country'.
Obviously as a WG you can get in and out a lot quicker and that's just what many of em do. Or many of the Colombianas you will find everywhere else in the Western Hemisphere go and work for a few months and then go back to Colombia for the other 8-9 months because life in Colombia is very cheap.
I dunno about 'unskilled', I think it does take a certain something to really make any money working off of sex, above and beyond being able to tolerate the working conditions. I have known WGs who just couldnt get arrested and got out of it!! Beyond that, being self-employed in and of itself requires a whole other level of intestinal fortitude not everybody on Earth has.
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12-06-06 04:58 #2756
Posts: 3542Originally Posted by China Lily
Lily - I've been with a few Passion girls in the past. Has it been re-opened now? Last time I was in Beijing it was closed down. Strange - I may very well have been with you in the past and now I'm chatting with you here! and even if I was not physically with you, I guess that you'd probably been with guys the same as me.
Yes, liaisons with WG's are so superficial aren't they? When I'm with one, its basically just to satisfy my animal needs - whether sexual, Man's pride, going along with the rest of the guys/just the thing to do, drunk and not really caring about morality/cost/repercussions/responsibilities - even sense of time when I needed to work bright and early the next morning etc etc. Yes, I engage in small talk (the same that the WG would do I think), and try to have some kind of feeling of actually being enamored by my partner of the night (the old GFE that everybody is after/talks about!) - but in the end - it was nothing but an animal act wasn't it?
And why do I go ahead and do it time and time again? Good question huh? See a good looking girl and its as if I'm again on automatic mode. When I was younger, I would relentlessly pursue girls - and it would not be a "paid for" experience - just freeby pick-ups. As I grew older - and not wanting to go down too much in my standards of female companions - I found out that just paying for it certainly takes a lot less effort, time and even money in the end - and I would still get a good enough standard girl. And as this is reinforced time and time again, I 'partook' of WG's more and more.... to the point that now I'm not only already keeping a mistress, but I also still regularly go out and get WG's of all types and all over the place. Pure animal instinct or am I trying to search for something that is not achievable? And what is this something? Actually I've got a great wife - really good looking, quite famous in my community as someone who had achieved success in her own right, caters and defers to me, a good mother and keeps the house nicely, well presented/good hostess to my friends and biz associates etc etc - in other words, actually pretty well a perfect companion for life - but here I am still out running around! OK you guys - start blazing away at me - I probably deserve it! And perhaps in the anonimity that the internet is - perhaps a good place for me to try to make sense as to what I actually am up to/want/desire etc. I've always been a high achiever and have reached a certain amount of financial success etc - is it this desire to always achieve driving me to unreasonable expectations? Like I said - blaze away!!
And Lily - are you still in Beijing now or are you somewhere else? And how come your English is so good? I only know very few girls with such good standards - one of whom was a second line actress in Beijing who appears in a few TV commercials etc - could you perhaps be her?
SE Asia Joe
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12-06-06 01:12 #2755
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Rock Dog
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12-06-06 00:58 #2754
Posts: 765RN, I don't know where I ever got the idea, but I always had pictured you as an asian woman.... Thai or Phillipina perhaps. No big deal, just part of getting to know each other better!
I agree 100% about WGs making big$$'s (comparatively) by working their profession in other countries. Actions speak louder than words..... if it didn't pay better to go to Aus from thailand, or to the UK from Aus, you would see it happening. But it DOES happen, and continues to happen. Therefore, it must be economically successful.
Let's say a girl from country A was working in country B. She made 3000 units of currency a month. Lets also say that living expenses eat up 2000 untis of currency a month. So she can save 1000 a month..... 12,000 a year. If we assume a large difference in the standards of living between country A and B, that 12,000 units of currency might be enough for her to live off of for several years. It might be enough to buy her a decent house or start her own business or lift her family out of poverty or any other number of good things.
I'm sure this goes a long way to explaining why you see so many girls from all these different countries working abroad.
Rock