The Morality of Prostitution

[SE Asia Joe]

I can understand that. I generally don't repeat much with WGs because of that. Part of the draw for me is for personality and friendship and all that stuff to NOT play in it, to just be getting intimate with some total stranger. If I wanted a gf I'd get a gf, well actually, I have a gf already but to me part of the idea of paying for sex is to deliberately bypass all the sentimental emotional shit.

Oh yeah - that's how I was when I first started with WG's - but eventually I found out that WG's are just like any other people. Oh of course there are some REAL skanks out there (even though they may be physically beautiful - which is the first reason why I would go with a WG) - and these ones - of course I just bang and pay. But then, I've come across many many Girls in my time that I've developed friendship with... even going ahead and helping them out when they were leaving/have already left the profession without asking for sex or anything else in return. Oh sure - you may think that I'm probably boasting/what a wanker this guy is/does he have a clue? etc etc - but its just something that I feel good about when I've been blessed with enough to be able to do such. Friendship with WG's USUALLY does not carry any baggage - as they can see when a person has no bad intentions and will thus NOT reciprocate with any bad intentions. just IMHO of course - and I can see your point of view
SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

I can't speak for Lily, of course, but I would think that would be a very big invasion of her privacy and would probably make for a VERY uncomfortable booking. To be with the 'work' her, talking about (or even just knowing about) the 'real' her, would probably really mess with her head. I know it would certainly mess with mine!

Yes - that would be quite unfair to you guys - and something which I don';t know how you would cope with. On the other hand, isn't such situation NOT similar to what Lily experienced with her ex-husband and ex-BF?? Not that either of them turned out any good for her. On my part, my thinking is that its probably not going to be worth it to sacrfice this 'internet' friendship I have with you girls - for a roll in the hay. On the other hand, I've been friends with a few WG's who I was also having sex with - some whilst still paying them and some who had refused subsequent payments. In fact, I still maintain some of these friendships.

I've been on this site for years (six or seven, maybe?) and have never seen any of my WSG 'friends' as clients... I think it just blurs the boundary between paid sex and casual sex a little too much for my liking.

Hmmm - I've been on ISG I guess for over 3 or 4 years (not sure) but I've not noticed you girls/this particular forum prior to recently - I guess its because I've not really thought about the morality (is there such a thing - what is truly moral? who decides this? We ain't harming anybody ELSE in prostitution are WE?? oh well a topic that I'm not really interested in - whether its moral or not) of prostitution.
On your boundaries between paid and casual sex etc - is that necessarily BAD? I mean, why would it be so bad to enjoy paid sex for a WG? Perhaps it would go a ways towards making Lily a bit happier with her own life. I treat my mistress as my girlfriend in practically every way - except of course that I do pay her. Oh of course not each time we do it, rather monthly like a husband gives household expense monies to a wife - no different actually! And she tells me how much she truly loves me/worried that when we do part and she 'needs to' find a real husband, that she will really have a hard time finding anybody that she enjoys life AND sex with so much. OK OK, she may just be stoking my ego etc (I don't think so) but what is so bad about this and is it so different from what an ordinary 'non-paid' girl would say?
SE Asia Joe

[Rubber Nursey]

...what happens when somebody you know from your 'regular' existence winds up as a (potential?) client...

For me - terror, panic and an immediate need to pray to the porcelain god!

I thought prostitution was legal in Aus. Is it not? I know it is illegal in China but largely ignored except for when the outside media gives them bad press.

Australia is a big country - each state and territory has it's own prostitution laws. Sex work (generally brothel work and 'registered' private workers) has been legalised in some states, and decriminalised (but under local council control, which can still be problematic) in one state. The others all have various degrees of illegality and/or toleration.

In my state (Western Australia), the act of having sex for money is not technically illegal, but most things surrounding it - such as where you do it, how you procure it, who you work with, etc - are criminalised, which means it's almost impossible to work within the law. Street work is illegal and those laws are strictly enforced. Brothels are illegal, but 'unofficially' tolerated - however, raids, threats and harassment by police are commonplace.

[Bango Cheito]

I can understand that. I generally don't repeat much with WGs because of that. Part of the draw for me is for personality and friendship and all that stuff to NOT play in it, to just be getting intimate with some total stranger. If I wanted a gf I'd get a gf, well actually, I have a gf already but to me part of the idea of paying for sex is to deliberately bypass all the sentimental emotional shit.

That brings up an interesting question I have thought about before, what happens when somebody you know from your 'regular' existence winds up as a (potential?) client, or you are the client and THEY are working somewhere?

I thought prostitution was legal in Aus. Is it not? I know it is illegal in China but largely ignored except for when the outside media gives them bad press.

[Rubber Nursey]

Mind you though, especially for Lily, it is verrrrry tempting as I do know the high standards required of a Passion girl - and Lily a Passion girl that seems to have her head on straight, is intelligent, is conversant in English...and one who I have an 'insight' on!

I can't speak for Lily, of course, but I would think that would be a very big invasion of her privacy and would probably make for a VERY uncomfortable booking. From her reports, she operates the way way I used to - taking on a completely different persona while working and creating a fantasy to suit her clients. That persona is very carefully constructed and maintained to protect our privacy, our heads and our hearts. To be with the 'work' her, talking about (or even just knowing about) the 'real' her, would probably really mess with her head. I know it would certainly mess with mine!

I've been on this site for years (six or seven, maybe?) and have never seen any of my WSG 'friends' as clients. The guys on this Forum know the 'real me' too well, which limits my ability to construct a working persona or create any sort of fantasy. It would be too much like having sex with a friend - and charging a friend for sex, for some reason, just doesn't seem right. I think it just blurs the boundary between paid sex and casual sex a little too much for my liking.

[SE Asia Joe]

You're most welcome, Joe.

I should probably remind everyone - we are only sharing our personal experiences. We can't speak for ALL sex workers.
Sasha works in a decriminalised environment, I worked in an illegal environment, Lily works in a completely different scene altogether. Sasha and I both love sex work...Lily doesn't like her job. Lily and I protect our sex worker status at all costs...Sasha is open and honest to everyone about her profession. Lily pines for real love, Sasha seems happy to be a single 'career hooker', me...I always wanted to find a way I could have both at the same time!

Somehow - I feel quite a bit of 'sympatico' for you girls - and had even entertained thoughts of making it a point to go to wherever you guys are to personally meet you all - especially Lily since it would be relatively simple for me to do so. But on second thought, perhaps I prefer to keep you girls as my internet friend and NEVER meet you in person. That way we can continue to be completely open and frank - and I would be able to learn ... about women, about WG's and also about myself. Mind you though, especially for Lily, it is verrrrry tempting as I do know the high standards required of a Passion girl - and Lily a Passion girl that seems to have her head on straight, is intelligent, is conversant in English (I guess I'm too much a Banana - lousy mandarin and prefer to have discussions in english) - and one who I have an 'insight' on!

. This is an ideal place for frank male/female discussion - the sexually explicit nature of the forum and the anonymity the internet provides, creates a perfect environment for open and honest discussion between men and women. Maybe Jackson should be nominated for some sort of Community Service Award?! haha

Couldn't agree more! On other chat forums - I always feel a bit conscious that I may come across as being a bit of a sex opportunist ... or even worse... some kind of pervert. Here, I know that most (!) of the participants knows what the score is all about and thus can be quite open. After all, it is not only you girls who needs to keep 2 separate lives; most mongers - I would venture to suggest - also need to keep 2 personae as it just would not do for biz associates, family, some friends etc to know what you're sometime up to!
And yes I'm all for nominating Jackson for some kind of GLOBAL award and recognition - how do you figure we could do this? Anybody concur with our idea/can come up with ideas?
SE Asia Joe

[Rubber Nursey]

Bango Cheito,

I should probably clarify that I in NO WAY think that sex work is 'unskilled' work!! I just meant that you don't need certificates or diplomas or any other formal qualification in order to start work.

I totally agree that it takes much more than an ability to moan on cue to be a successful hooker and that running a small business is, in itself, no easy task.

[Rubber Nursey]

You're most welcome, Joe.

I should probably remind everyone though, that when Sasha, Lily and I share our personal experiences, we are only sharing our personal experiences. We can't speak for ALL sex workers.

Yes, we have similar experiences and emotions, as sex workers AND as women, but the three of us are very different people from different countries with different experiences of sex work and, on some issues, we apparently have very different views.

Sasha works in a decriminalised environment, I worked in an illegal environment, Lily works in a completely different scene altogether. Sasha and I both love sex work...Lily doesn't like her job. Lily and I protect our sex worker status at all costs...Sasha is open and honest to everyone about her profession. Lily pines for real love, Sasha seems happy to be a single 'career hooker', me...I always wanted to find a way I could have both at the same time!

I'm really glad that you get as much out of talking to us, as we (or at least, I) get out of talking to you guys. This is an ideal place for frank male/female discussion - the sexually explicit nature of the forum and the anonymity the internet provides, creates a perfect environment for open and honest discussion between men and women. Maybe Jackson should be nominated for some sort of Community Service Award?! haha

[SE Asia Joe]

Guys - in case you missed it, PLEASE go back a page (delayed Regular Member post) and read China Lily's response to Alex's question.

Lily - that was beautifully written and honestly, brought tears to my eyes. I just wanted to wrap my arms around you and hold you tight! It really does prove what I've been trying to say all along - working girls the world over, regardless of their age, race, social status or motivation for working, share SOOOOO MUCH in common with each other, on a personal level.
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RN - from your and Lily's posting - versus what I know about Ladies in general - its not only working girls that has so much in common - I'd suggest that ALL women share so much - whether working or non working. It's just that WG's are generally forced to be so isolated from the rest of the population. Your and Lily's (and Sasha's too?) writings are so poignant and to me - heartfelt. Thank you Ladies.
SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

Alex,

It is very difficult to decide to be a working girl. It is scary. W
[size=-2]EDITOR'S NOTE: [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Ple

Oh wow - Lily - your reports are dynamite!! And I hope you don't mind - but I've highlighted them in a few 'report of distinction' threads.
I've searched and read every one of your posting - and I think I'm all the better informed/knowledgeable for having done so. Thanks - and I hope that you will give us some more 'insights' into the psyche of a WG - especially one from China as I do go in quite regularly. I especially appreciate your report as I do think that in such an anonymous setting as the internet thread is, most people could be/would be completely honest. Like I said, I've been with quite a wide variety of Ladies - both professional as well as non-pro, and I do do a lot of talking with them - but there is always the lingering thought that one could never really be 100% honest in person vs/ when one is anonymous.
thanks
SE Asia Joe

[Bango Cheito]

Rock Dog, what you are talking about is the dream of pretty much all immigrants everywhere. My grandpa came over from Italy planning to work for a few years, go back, and have enough money to be good in Italy, but it didn't work out, and he died 40 years later freezing his nuts off in Winnipeg.

50% of immigrants to Canada and the USA actually do eventually end up repatriating. Most of the rest have it in their heads at all times though. VERY few people immigrate wanting to spend the rest of their lives in their 'new country'.

Obviously as a WG you can get in and out a lot quicker and that's just what many of em do. Or many of the Colombianas you will find everywhere else in the Western Hemisphere go and work for a few months and then go back to Colombia for the other 8-9 months because life in Colombia is very cheap.

I dunno about 'unskilled', I think it does take a certain something to really make any money working off of sex, above and beyond being able to tolerate the working conditions. I have known WGs who just couldnt get arrested and got out of it!! Beyond that, being self-employed in and of itself requires a whole other level of intestinal fortitude not everybody on Earth has.

[SE Asia Joe]

Alex,

It is very difficult to decide to be a working girl. It is scary. When I decided to start, ...........]

Oh Wow - RN - you're right - What China Lily wrote is well worth reading! Wud have missed it if you didn't point it out.
Lily - I've been with a few Passion girls in the past. Has it been re-opened now? Last time I was in Beijing it was closed down. Strange - I may very well have been with you in the past and now I'm chatting with you here! and even if I was not physically with you, I guess that you'd probably been with guys the same as me.
Yes, liaisons with WG's are so superficial aren't they? When I'm with one, its basically just to satisfy my animal needs - whether sexual, Man's pride, going along with the rest of the guys/just the thing to do, drunk and not really caring about morality/cost/repercussions/responsibilities - even sense of time when I needed to work bright and early the next morning etc etc. Yes, I engage in small talk (the same that the WG would do I think), and try to have some kind of feeling of actually being enamored by my partner of the night (the old GFE that everybody is after/talks about!) - but in the end - it was nothing but an animal act wasn't it?
And why do I go ahead and do it time and time again? Good question huh? See a good looking girl and its as if I'm again on automatic mode. When I was younger, I would relentlessly pursue girls - and it would not be a "paid for" experience - just freeby pick-ups. As I grew older - and not wanting to go down too much in my standards of female companions - I found out that just paying for it certainly takes a lot less effort, time and even money in the end - and I would still get a good enough standard girl. And as this is reinforced time and time again, I 'partook' of WG's more and more.... to the point that now I'm not only already keeping a mistress, but I also still regularly go out and get WG's of all types and all over the place. Pure animal instinct or am I trying to search for something that is not achievable? And what is this something? Actually I've got a great wife - really good looking, quite famous in my community as someone who had achieved success in her own right, caters and defers to me, a good mother and keeps the house nicely, well presented/good hostess to my friends and biz associates etc etc - in other words, actually pretty well a perfect companion for life - but here I am still out running around! OK you guys - start blazing away at me - I probably deserve it! And perhaps in the anonimity that the internet is - perhaps a good place for me to try to make sense as to what I actually am up to/want/desire etc. I've always been a high achiever and have reached a certain amount of financial success etc - is it this desire to always achieve driving me to unreasonable expectations? Like I said - blaze away!!
And Lily - are you still in Beijing now or are you somewhere else? And how come your English is so good? I only know very few girls with such good standards - one of whom was a second line actress in Beijing who appears in a few TV commercials etc - could you perhaps be her?
SE Asia Joe

[Rubber Nursey]

RN, I don't know where I ever got the idea, but I always had pictured you as an asian woman.... Thai or Phillipina perhaps. No big deal, just part of getting to know each other better!

I wish I was an Asian woman...Asian women are HOT!!!

[Rock Dog]

RN, I don't know where I ever got the idea, but I always had pictured you as an asian woman.... Thai or Phillipina perhaps. No big deal, just part of getting to know each other better!

I agree 100% about WGs making big$$'s (comparatively) by working their profession in other countries. Actions speak louder than words..... if it didn't pay better to go to Aus from thailand, or to the UK from Aus, you would see it happening. But it DOES happen, and continues to happen. Therefore, it must be economically successful.

Let's say a girl from country A was working in country B. She made 3000 units of currency a month. Lets also say that living expenses eat up 2000 untis of currency a month. So she can save 1000 a month..... 12,000 a year. If we assume a large difference in the standards of living between country A and B, that 12,000 units of currency might be enough for her to live off of for several years. It might be enough to buy her a decent house or start her own business or lift her family out of poverty or any other number of good things.

I'm sure this goes a long way to explaining why you see so many girls from all these different countries working abroad.

Rock

[Rubber Nursey]

SEAsiaJoe, I understand what you mean about exchange rates, cost of living, etc, but I know a lot of people from here who have done the UK trip for work and they've always come home with a whole lotta cash. In Perth, I would charge about $150 - $200 an hour (slightly less than market price, 'coz I'd be doing it for quick cash, privately, with no overheads). According to the UK thread, that's about the same as the English girls are charging in British pounds, but their money is worth nearly three times my dollar! Yes, cost of living is higher there than in Oz, but I know some ways around that. It's no different to what the Asian girls do when they come to Australia to work - our cost of living is higher in Oz than it is in, for example, Thailand or Indonesia, but those girls still manage to send large amounts of cash back home.

What I was getting at though, was that sex work - being 'unskilled' work and requiring very little financial outlay to set yourself up - is a very portable profession. If you can do it anywhere in the world, why not go to a place where you can get 'more buck for your bang', so to speak?

PS...re: colonisation. My country was a British penal colony and to this day, smarmy Englishmen (and some Americans, strangely enough) still feel the need to point out that we are a nation of convicts. But Australians tend to wear that badge proudly. We are a nation of free-thinking larrikins and I believe that our culture of 'mateship' was probably a direct result of, for want of a better term, 'honour among thieves'.