The Morality of Prostitution

[Rock Dog]

this is a different topic that i've been thinking about in the last couple of days.

i was reading a posting by one of the senoir members on the weekend. in it he talked about encountering a pimp, who offered him the services of a girl. he declined the offer stating in his posting that he disliked pimps in general.

i've never encountered one myself, so i don't really know how i would react. this still got me thinking on the subject. the very word pimp has a vaguely loathsome feel about it and yet they exist. therefore, they must somehow serve some function or they wouldn't exist.

one the one hand, they exploit the girls by taking some of the money for themselves. perhaps they serve some protective function or help secure a "higher level" of clients for the girls.

i haven't been able to form much of an opinion on this subject as yet. since this would seem to be an issue that is closely related to the morality of prostitution (the subject of this forum), i was hoping some of the wsg members might want to share their thoughts, beliefs and opinions on this topic.

or we can still keeping talking about eskimos, indians, [CodeWord128], alcoholism and genetics etc. (lol)

rock

[Prokofiev]

" . . . The genes linked to this behavior have been mapped. Interestingly, Native Americans as a group have the second highest prevalance of this gene. The highest? Prokofiev hit it on the nose--Irish Catholics."

Wow, even my jokes have a firm scientific basis! I'm good at this.

But more to the point, how about Irish Atheist Mongers??? Is it the Irish part . . . or the Catholic part? Just wondering . . .

Cheers, -P

[GettingTang]

I'm dropping this subject, there is no reason to it. Just remember I was only responding to another's racist tone towards Indian people, then you people jumped on me.

Here is the facts about me.

I love Eskimo and Indian people alike. I personally do not view them as anything less then a beautiful people. Most Eskimos I have known are wonderful people, full of smiles and happiness.

I do however, maintain obvious difference associated with their race outside of the just the expected cultural differences. It might not be polite or politically correct to bring them up, but if you lived among them for 30+ years, they would be obvious to anyone!

TANG~!

[Cash Works]

tang,

go back to your 12 step program, please.

dickhead,

by all means, do all four at the same time. if they're into each other, they'll be committing [CodeWord128], not you, but since they can't impregnate each other, does it matter?

joe zop & dickhead,

as for your argument that inbreeding also promotes desireable traits, that may be true - ie, your own example of animal breeding. however, in animal breeding, as you also pointed out - those with undesireable traits are destroyed. unfortunately, when developing a new breed of animal (dogs, for instance), numerous generations will be destroyed before the desired traits have been successfully selected. more flawed results are produced in this process than favorable results.

the problem with inbreeding is that the undesireable traits are more likely to be enhanced early on than the desireable traits. recessive genes get reinforced and become dominant - genes that are already dominant may be duplicated, but this doesn't make them more dominant - dominant/recessive is basically like saying it's switched on or switched off. until very recently (last 50 years or so), there was little or no social stigma associated with destroying animals that were the result of an unsuccessful breeding experiment or that no longer served a purpose (greyhounds, that caught the rabbit, for instance).

humans however, are not so easily disposed of - there has long been social/religious/legal restraints against "disposal" of humans in our society, whether they're flawed or not. the ancient hawaiians, however used to kill "flawed" babies (birthmarks or other noticeable deformities) soon after their birth - it's reasonable to assume that most groups of people had similar practices at some point in their existence either before there was any sort of written record, or when social views changed, that any record of this practice may have been destroyed to cover up an embarassing part of their history.

the reason i suggested that religious leaders were behind marriage is basically due to the fact that until fairly recently, probably within the last 2-300 years, religious clerics (regardless of the religion) were, with a few exceptions (newton, socrates, etc), the most highly educated people on the planet (and they tried like hell to keep it that way). they also wielded tremendous power over the masses - "do what i say, or you"ll be eternally damned!" or something along those lines. i believe, due to their broader knowledge, that they would have been the most likely group to make a connection between "flawed" babies and [CodeWord130] couplings.

cw

[Joe Zop]

Gee, GT, I'll be happy not to correct your statements if you won't say silly things such as, "Eskimos have only been drinking for about 80 years max. This further proves I am right..." It's absolutely well documented that in the 1860s, prior to the introduction of reindeer, alcohol was having a bad effect on Alaskan natives and their culture. And alcohol was used for barter and trade in the Canadian territories much earlier.

Please give me a citation -- any citation or documentation at all -- for your 80 years ago statement. Or for any of your other grandiose statements of fact. Or is this more "secret" information like your undisclosed software which proves who wrote what WSG post? Did living there for thirty years somehow give you magical insight into what happened a century-plus ago?

More likely it just helped you become the prejudiced genius you clearly are. I remember quite well your blanket indictments of all Arabs in the Thai section only a month ago.

You lived with Eskimos for thirty years and no doubt spent all that time studying their genetics, right? Because you sure as hell didn't study their history. I've certainly heard this kind of stuff before -- by people who claim to possess the same wonderful kinds of insight about what Blacks are all about because they've had to live with them for X number of years. Let's see: I grew up in a primarily African-American town, went to schools where I was the minority, etc. It sure as hell didn't give me some sort of x-ray vision so I could see and interpret the DNA of my neighbors.

Above all, there's nothing like ignoring the gist of the arguments, as per usual, which is that pretty well all of the ills you cite can be chalked up to social rather than genetic issues.

As it happens, though I didn't live for thirty years with Eskimos, I've had extensive work and contact with various Native American tribes throughout the country over the past fifteen years, including Alaskan Natives, and have given workshops and have spoken at a number of their national gatherings. And I like to study the cultures and histories of those I come in contact with, unlike you, so I have some idea of who I'm talking with.

And point taken, Sporadic. We've gotten a fair way from the topic, though that tends to happen in this thread at times. I'll rein myself back in, deerly.

[My Alias]

To get back on topic somewhat, there was a big sex slavery bust in Vermont where several AMPs were raided, http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...stitution.html. Maybe we can discuss prostitution and sex slavery rings.

By the way, having worked in several Alaska Native villages I tend to feel Joe Zop's and Dickhead's statements are much more accurate than Getting Tang's when it comes to Eskimos and alcoholism. As a regular poster to the Alaska boards, I've seen Getting Tang's tendency to exagerate just to make an argument. If someone really is interested, I can PM you links to several studies on the topic.

[Guru]

There is in fact a genetic predisposition to alcoholism. Alcoholics frequently (although not always) exhibit a liver dysfunction resulting in the build up of excess tetrahydroisoquinoline (THQ) in the brain. THQ, bonds with alcohol molecules and causes the brain to react to alcohol as it would a narcotic, creating a much stronger propensity to addiction than in a person without this genetic trait. The genes linked to this behavior have been mapped. Interestingly, Native Americans as a group have the second highest prevalance of this gene. The highest? Prokofiev hit it on the nose--Irish Catholics.

Don't attack me for stereotyping. Stereotypes often have some basis in fact. No one would maintain that all Native Americans or Irish Catholics are alcoholics. But many members of those groups do have a genetic predisposition which increases the chances that their consumption of alcohol will lead to alcoholism.

[Sporadic]

Gentlemen,

Fascinating if unscientific reports here lately, but it begs the question; What has all this to do with the morality of prostitution?

Cheers,

Sporadic

[MeatMan]

I had an Eskimo woman once. I visited Montreal about 8 years ago, Picked her up on St Catherine St. Did the duty in a Toyota Camary. That one I will NOT forget. Wild fucker. We were sweating buckets!

[Domino]

1. Japanese have a well documented genetic averson to alcohol; they get red like lobsters after a few but they do not get violent like the European savages. There is some truth in the genetic argument, though America's genocide policies towards all and sundry strengthens the nurture argument.

2. Eskimos are the world's best fucks and I am simply amazed no one has brought this up. I still get a hard on thinking of Eskimo ladies I fucked in the 1970s. I can honestly say it was the best sex of my life. And I have led many lives.

[Rabo Verde]

You guys don't get out much, do you?

[GettingTang]

And who the hell cares if they metabolize Alcohol at the same rate. This proves nothing! We all have a liver and kidneys. It's how it affects the brain and nervous system. Anything that alters a human's chemistry on a regular basis will change the genetic coding in future generations. It's called evolution! Sure this is on a small scale, but thousands of years of drinking by most races on earth, while a few others never had any, is bond to produce a measurable difference.

And another thing Joe, you may have read an old, outdated, dusty, book or two on Eskimos, I lived with them for 30 + years!

TANG~!

[GettingTang]

Sure there were isolated incidents where alcohol passed by an Eskimo prior to 80 years ago, but the fact is 99.99% of Eskimo never knew such a thing existed or had access to it prior to the 1920s and you know it. Your attempting to twist the facts around.

So you're going to sit here and try and tell me there was a salon on every corner in 1720 for the Eskimos now aren't you Joe? You know what I meant, this is nothing more then a classic case of twisting the facts. Not to mention a lot of copy and pasting!

[Rock Dog]

Hmmm, let me see if I've got this right. This is the forum where we are supposed to discuss the morality of prostitution. I go away for a day or so and when I come back all I can see are a bunch of posts talking about Eskimos, inbreeding, birth defects and retardation. I don't see how this relates. Uh oh, maybe it's because I'm inbred.

Just kidding,

Rock

[Dickhead]

But I think Eskimo Pies have only been around for about 80 years or so, since refrigeration was invented by Al Gore in 1924. Primitive refrigeration was used by FBI directors J. Paul Getty and Ezra Taft Benson to disguise the time of President Harding's death and conceal the fact that he was with a transsexual Cuban prostitute at the time he died. Gore then reverse engineered this technology with the help of numerous Indian engineers, who had obtained H1-B visas, putting honest, hard-working Irish immigrants out of work. This led to a narrowed gene pool of helpless Irish alcoholics, which led to the establishment of the Irish Free State in the same year, 1924. Interestingly, prostitution was legal and encouraged in the early years of the Irish Free State, but most Irish were too drunk to take advantage of it.

All these facts prove conclusively that if you cross an Irish with an Eskimo, the children will never run out of ice for their drinks.