The Morality of Prostitution

[Westy]

The 1 August 2010 "Stickman Weekly" included a reader's article, "Men And Women, What Else?" that includes a point that (IMHO) deserves a place in this thread.

But there is a problem with prostitution and other low cost sexual gratification. The problem is not about disease or corrupting the innocent or sin. Low cost sexual satisfaction dilutes the pool from which women may choose their mates to have their children. You have to keep in mind that women have a very brief timeframe to get this job done whereas men can take a lifetime to participate in accepting responsibility. And what is worse in the West is that if a woman cannot get a man to the altar, she cannot get access to a virtual fail proof support regime whether the relationship lasts or not. Prostitution leads to a lack of containment of men’s loneliness, and if it is cheap?-well I think you get the point. Love might die.

The great irony of the sex worker industry is that Feminism, by seeking to extend control over male behaviour in the West, is actually fuelling pornography, prostitution, and sex tourism. Men’s sexual nature is, in fact, natural and not the work of the Devil and one of men’s burdens in this life is to have to satisfy it. Men need a pool of women who they feel will accept and respect them and if they cannot find such women they will seek satisfaction elsewhere. They will even allow themselves to be exploited for money if need be as long as there is sufficient illusion provided that the prostitute actually wants the encounter.

The "Law of Unintended Consequences" at its best, and worst. Or perhaps, in honor of Frederic Bastiat, I should rather say "unseen consequences."

What the Leaders of Society see, in the suppression of sex-work, is the suppression of "a great sin". These "horrible men," whose "intransigent lust" is seen as the obvious cause of prostitution, will "get what they deserve". Those "poor deceived women" will be "liberated" to find their honest place in society. And the world will be better for it. Sin will lose out, after all.

And what happened? Oh yeah, the Leaders of Society did make P4P more unattainable. But not entirely. They raised the stakes, but they didn't end the game; just ask Eliot Spitzer. But ... how are those "poor deceived women" making out, when they've been chased off the street-corners? And what of their clients - are they turning their attentions back to wooing the women who have all-too-obviously rejected a future of love & marriage in trade for ambition & salary and political power???

Hear the hollow laughter - especially here on ISG!

[Australiasucks]

Well, try living in East Anglia and see what you think of the UK. And, it's right by Cambridge. UK women are just like US women, only with worse teeth and they are worse cooks and worse nags. And then you have Irish women who are just as bad as UK women except worse nags and that stupid Catholic bullshit. That place is hopeless.

Britain and Ireland are still part of the EU, so the only solution is to leave to another part of Europe. I grew up in Britain near Wembley near London, most British women are high maintenance, especially around London. I honestly think they were once better than American women, at least when I was there which was over 20 years ago but today the answer is no. However I think continental European women are changing for the worse too. My latest trip to Germany was fairly disappointing.

[Goga Fung]

Well, try living in East Anglia and see what you think of the UK. And, it's right by Cambridge. UK women are just like US women, only with worse teeth and they are worse cooks and worse nags. And then you have Irish women who are just as bad as UK women except worse nags and that stupid Catholic bullshit. That place is hopeless.

No thanks I've already spent enough time in the USA which at this point interests me only for business purposes. Soon planning to go back to Central Asia which is fortunately too far from USA, so it is more difficult for them to get americanized.

Regarding Anglia, I was talking with respect to how easy to get a fuck(and not bad quality too! And nobody messes it up for you like they do in USA. It is legal and your life is not screwed forever because you were horny!

Have you heard about this Turkish guy in USA who was too horny but did not have much money so when he was horny he went to fuck some hookcers and did not pay them. Eventually he got framed by hoockers and police, he got 150years+life time in jail for threatening a hoocker with knife. He is a dumbass of course, but were he in a normal country he would be doing just fine. Where he would not even need to go to a hoocker.

So at least Brits have normal state of mind, therefore I would place their country higher then USA. But I'm not interested in their women as potential mate. I definatly believe what you say about them, do not want to try that for sure.

[Dickhead]

Well, try living in East Anglia and see what you think of the UK. And, it's right by Cambridge. UK women are just like US women, only with worse teeth and they are worse cooks and worse nags. And then you have Irish women who are just as bad as UK women except worse nags and that stupid Catholic bullshit. That place is hopeless.

[Australiasucks]

How come UK under US? No way

I got stuck in UK for one one day, in Manchester, looks like a shithole, lame, boring but. Found an establishment right away proving girls, some really hot. Fucked a nice *****. Spent 100 pounds. No way you get anything near that(this quality and price) in USA. No matter if somebody brags about "free" or paid in addition to the opportunity to get arrested for being horny in USA.

P4P in Britain is better but regular relations are really the same as in the US. And p4p compared to Britain's European neighbors is not so great, especially if you compare it to Germany's FKK scene. Look at what they have across the North Sea, in Germany, they have sex clubs galore. North America is not a complete wasteland when it comes to sex, the US and most of English speaking Canada pretty much blows. Quebec is one of the best places in the world to meet willing women which is a sharp contrast from the rest of NA. The French culture of Quebec rubs off well.

[Goga Fung]

4) US

5) UK

How come UK under US? No way

I got stuck in UK for one one day, in Manchester, looks like a shithole, lame, boring but. Found an establishment right away proving girls, some really hot. Fucked a nice *****. Spent 100 pounds. No way you get anything near that(this quality and price) in USA. No matter if somebody brags about "free" or paid in addition to the opportunity to get arrested for being horny in USA.

[Australiasucks]

New Zealand is better than Oz because the Kiwi gals like cum a lot more. Cum in face, cum on tits, cum in hair. That type of thing. Much more so than Ozzie gals although they are still better than AW.

So to summarize the sex in your English-speaking Anglo-Saxon countries the ranking would be (including appropriate gaps to indicate the magnitude of the difference):

1) New Zealand

2) Australia

3) Scotland if it were a country but it ain't so tough shit

3) Canada (including only the English-speaking part for this purpose)

4) US

5) UK

(way in the fuck down there)

6) Eire (Republic of Ireland)

The UK is worse than the US, that is my home country, and its not surprising to me at all. There is a reason why so many Brits go overseas for punting.

[Dickhead]

New Zealand is better than Oz because the Kiwi gals like cum a lot more. Cum in face, cum on tits, cum in hair. That type of thing. Much more so than Ozzie gals although they are still better than AW.

So to summarize the sex in your English-speaking Anglo-Saxon countries the ranking would be (including appropriate gaps to indicate the magnitude of the difference):

1) New Zealand
2) Australia

3) Scotland if it were a country but it ain't so tough shit

3) Canada (including only the English-speaking part for this purpose)

4) US



5) UK


(way in the fuck down there)

6) Eire (Republic of Ireland)

[Gfechaser]

US style puritanism is reaching in some areas but not fully. I am starting to see it pop up in Europe. I am also noticing that the slim Europeans are becoming more rare these days. Europeans are consuming more crap food, becoming lazier and fatter and also not as raunchy as I used to remember. I recall Germany used to be full of fully nude FKK sex clubs, but now these clubs are becoming sauna clubs where the women are covering up, I was not imagining it, to me it used to be an adults only Disneyland. Bummer.

France is becoming ultra anal about prostitution. Paris used to be full of streetwalkers, and these days its dead, also street prostitution has been completely criminalized.

Australia mostly tolerates brothels and escort services, many women work out of apartments. Street prostitution is still pretty much illegal. But you are seeing the same American style pattern, people getting fatter, lazier, more consumerist and less libido. Still I do not have trouble meeting willing ladies in Oz.

Australia,

Your words of wisdom have me considering taking a trip to Australia. I always wanted to go there anyway.

[Australiasucks]

The US will never be successful in changing the Latin American view of prostitution. Some of those countries' leaders might pay lip service to the blather, but it won't change attitudes and won't change the systems in Latin America. The US might have some success in influencing certain parts of the world in this regard, maybe, but in Latin America? No. I have been to every Spanish speaking country in South America and not one single person could give a fuck what the US condems or condones.

US style puritanism is reaching in some areas but not fully. I am starting to see it pop up in Europe. I am also noticing that the slim Europeans are becoming more rare these days. Europeans are consuming more crap food, becoming lazier and fatter and also not as raunchy as I used to remember. I recall Germany used to be full of fully nude FKK sex clubs, but now these clubs are becoming sauna clubs where the women are covering up, I was not imagining it, to me it used to be an adults only Disneyland. Bummer.

France is becoming ultra anal about prostitution. Paris used to be full of streetwalkers, and these days its dead, also street prostitution has been completely criminalized.

Australia mostly tolerates brothels and escort services, many women work out of apartments. Street prostitution is still pretty much illegal. But you are seeing the same American style pattern, people getting fatter, lazier, more consumerist and less libido. Still I do not have trouble meeting willing ladies in Oz.

[Rubber Nursey]

Bango, DH: I was saying that America was doing its best to spread the word. I wasn't suggesting the rest of the world was actually listening. Good on Latin America for refusing to be bullied.

Brazil famously refused to sign PEPFAR's global prostitution gag and PROUDLY lost millions in US funding. Maintaining their values, and the health of their sex workers, was more important to them.

[Dickhead]

The US will never be successful in changing the Latin American view of prostitution. Some of those countries' leaders might pay lip service to the blather, but it won't change attitudes and won't change the systems in Latin America. The US might have some success in influencing certain parts of the world in this regard, maybe, but in Latin America? No. I have been to every Spanish speaking country in South America and not one single person could give a fuck what the US condems or condones.

[Bango Cheito]

it's no secret that colombia and the us are allies, but for some reason i don't see any pressure here. prostitution is 100% legal and tolerated in all cases. they shut places down if **** girls are working or if girls aren't regularly tested, but that's it.

[Rubber Nursey]

seeing the rest of the world I have decided that I love Australia.

Finally we have something in common.

It's ok that you wouldn't pick up a street girl. Street workers have their own particular reasons for choosing to work the streets, and street clients have their own particular reasons for choosing to see street workers. The sex industry offers something for everyone.

[Australiasucks]

It's legal to work the streets in NSW, so long as you don't do it near a church, school, residential building, etc. The street workers on Darlinghurst aren't breaking any laws, because it's a commercial strip.

Also, every sector of the sex industry offers its own specific benefits to workers and the streets are no different. Street work has no overheads, no advertising, no boss, flexible working hours, a large client base and a higher earning potential. Providing legal alternatives, like brothels, will not cause people to stop working the streets. Like street work, brothels have their own positives and negatives, and the brothel working environment is not for everyone.

I would never bother picking up someone from the street, there are plenty of fine establishments where I have gotten great service, especially the Asian providers just outside the CBD in the inner west. I am trying to change my tag because seeing the rest of the world I have decided that I love Australia.