The Morality of Prostitution

[Joe Zop]

Regarding the Fosters -- hey, if you buy Guinness in Australia, it's also made there, and just it's not the same (sorry, not as good) so it's the nature of the beast. Breweries are everywhere, which brings me to yeast, and thus, obtusely, back in the general area of the subject...

I agree with Dickhead, here, RN. Numbers of women are very much into just catting around in their twenties, but the clock starts really making major noise in the next decade. I don't think it's all that different for men, either, though, as I've seen tons of friends get that particularly male "must get married right now to the next vaguely acceptable candidate and don't really care who she is" look around that time in their life.

I do think that for women, though, this behavior represents a quantum shift in socially viable behavior, (being labelled a sl*t simply doesn't have the same overall social force it used to) a direct result of freely available birth control, feminism, and more general chatter about sex. Hooray for that, and it will be interesting to see what things look like in another

And I also agree with the observation that alcohol makes tons of things more morally viable. I wonder how prostitution rates (hell, or marriage rates or lots of business propositions) would change if a sobriety test were mandatory for participation. For sure the military enlistment rate would drop...

[Dickhead]

Nursey, I think you're a little young for the ticking biological clock syndrome by US standards. I don't usually start hearing that shit until the gal's around 34 or so.

It's not really fair either because a guy only gets one dick but a gal can have lots if she plays her cards right ...

Every time I buy Foster's at the liquor store (bottle shop for Aussies), it's made in Canada. What's up with THAT (but I like Canadian beer too)?

To tie to the subject, prostitution seems even more morally sound when I'm drunk.

[Rubber Nursey]

Hmmmmmm....

I like casual sex, drink beer, play pool, crave pizza, luuuuurve pre-1970's Mustangs, fear commitment, lust after Angelina Jolie....

Oh my God...maybe I WAS born a man after all!!!!!!!

Hang on...let me check......

[Rubber Nursey]

Stranger99,

>>>the ticking of the biological clock puts pressure on you to settle down

Although I am getting (terrifyingly!!) close to 30 myself, I have already had children and have no desire to have any more. Maybe that accounts for something. Then again, I have always felt the same way about casual sex...so maybe it doesn't.

>>>I personally know a very few cases and you add to this list

The thing is, amongst my social circle we all feel pretty much the same way. In my "younger days" we would go out and pick up all the time...just for the sake of having sex. I swear this is the truth...I once had a guy call me a sl*t and accuse me of USING HIM when I told him I wasn't interested in seeing him again!! (Hmmm women are either clingy, or they are sl*ts...we just can't win can we!) Thing is though...you would never hear about that from that particular guy. He's not going to tell his mates that he got the flick...he's going to say I was a bad lay or that I got clingy and he had to set me straight. Right? You don't hear about women like me, because men don't like to admit that there ARE women like me! Men LIKE to be the one doing the dumping...it reaffirms their status as the dominant sex, leaving the lovelorn woman pining.

Also, most women are not going to tell you anyway! I am on a prostitution board and I'm anonymous...I don't have to protect my "reputation" by pretending that I am good, chaste housewife material. Women in your social circle may feel they have to. Women are afraid to be seen as overtly sexual. There's that whole sl*t versus stud thing to consider.

I can assure you...right now (it's been a looooong time between drinks!!) I would dearly love to walk up to a man and demand sex from him just to "break the drought". Funny thing is....at my age men tend to automatically think that I am looking to settle down, so they avoid me. Go figure!! LOL

[Stranger99]

RN: Take it as a compliment: you are male minded.

I wish there were more women like you around with whom you could, in a way, be clear upfront on what it is all about. I think though that even on something starting as casual sex a woman will eventually expects you to ask her out for dinner or something.

This is even more true when a woman is over 30: the ticking of the biological clock puts pressure on you to settle down and stop messing around with one-night stands.

I know there are exceptions out there (I personally know a very few cases and you add to this list).
I also don't know if it is human nature or social conventions: maybe Eve actually liked sleeping around and it was Adam the one pushing for long term relationship.

[Joe Zop]

RN, sounds luscuious no matter what's on the menu...

And as far as your attitude on one-night stands, that pretty much does sound like the male point of view, I must say, though I've met a number of women who feel the same. (And the clingy line is straight outa the male playa book.) Perhaps one of the absolute key attractions about prostitution is just that -- no strings, no implication of continuance. Obviously, that has its good and bad points (no real performance incentive, for example, although obviously one does generally shoot for return business) but in the sex-for-hire equation it's pretty clear where both parties stand.

The problem with one-night stands is that they're generally not necessarily clearly labelled as such, so one never knows -- maybe it was unbelievable and unbearable attraction that has longer term implications, etc. In prostitution you don't have to try to read your partner's mind in terms of what they thought of the process -- it's implicit. In real life, both parties aren't always on the same page.

[Rubber Nursey]

And as for your filthy manners gentlemen (not mentioning any names Joe and Fedup), if you wanna make it to this couch and untie this bow you gotta get it right....

it's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Emu Bitter!!!
*mwahh*

[Rubber Nursey]

Stranger99,

"This explains the rationale of prostitution: I will pay you this amount, I will take care of my needs and you will not expect anything but money from me".

That would be the way that all the male historians would probably put it...but how about this...

What if the WOMEN said: I will not be your wife or your servant or your property. I will allow you to have sex with me (seeing as you keep hounding me for it), you will pay me for the privilege....and then you will LEAVE.

Obviously I'm not claiming that as a historical fact, but you just never know! LOL

I know this is gonna sound odd to you (and will qualify me as a "sl*t" by the moral minority's standards) but I LOVED the fact that prostitution meant casual sex with no strings. All talk of money aside, it meant that I could have sex all day, every day, and nobody would expect anything more than that from me.
Whenever I had one night stands, I found I couldn't get rid of them! LOL There was always that "Can I call you" stuff at the end...and that was soooo not what I was looking for. In all honesty, I used to think "Why are men so damn clingy??? Can't they just accept that it was only sex for the sake of sex???" I found that sex work was very liberating in that respect.

And when you consider the oppression that women suffered in centuries gone by....forced to deny their sexuality and conform to the standards placed on them by men, while men roamed free to "sew their wild oats"....is it too far fetched to think that some may have chosen immorality over chastity for that exact reason?

Hmmmm sometimes I wish I was born with a penis...

[Joe Zop]

C'mon, Fedup, you could go

mmmmmmm, Touhey’s...

or

mmmmmmm, Coopers.....

at least!

[Dickhead]

Originally posted by stranger99
I can't remember who said a few posts ago that:
"men are able to pretend they love to get sex and women they will have sex in exchange of love" (or something like that).

It was I, Dickhead, your faithful servant. "Men give love to get sex; women give sex to get love."

[Fedup]

mmmmmmmm... Foster's...

oops!... sorry RN... Canadian beer hound showing again...

I mean...

mmmmmmmm... RNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

[Stranger99]

I can't remember who said a few posts ago that:
"men are able to pretend they love to get sex and women they will have sex in exchange of love" (or something like that).

This brings me to another issue: is sex per-se only a man-thing?

I think it is.
This explains the rationale of prostitution: I will pay you this amount, I will take care of my needs and you will not expect anything but money from me.

Having said that I do not mean that women do not enjoy sex as much as we, men, do. I doubt though their ability to get that pleasure without having an emotional/mental involvement with their counterpart.

[Joe Zop]

Originally posted by RN
It's a deal!! I'll be waiting on the couch with a six-pack....wearing nothing but a big red bow. *cheeky grin* LOL

Wait, I forget -- did you say you worked for Australia's tourism board as well?

[Rubber Nursey]

Joe,

"And, by no means do I think you should remain single unless that's your choice -- as far as I'm concerned, anyone and everyone, male and female, who can manage to demonstrate the intelligence, patience, tolerance, and good will that pervade your posts needs to reproduce and mentor as frequently as possible, as grace and empathy are always in far too short supply in the world".

Awwww shucks honey...I'm blushing!!

Fedup,

"Tell ya what... If you and I are still single in two years I'll come down and give you a visit"

It's a deal!! I'll be waiting on the couch with a six-pack....wearing nothing but a big red bow. *cheeky grin* LOL

[Rubber Nursey]

Terry,
I realise that I asked the same question before...as I mentioned in my post...but that was getting close to a year ago maybe, and there are new guys here who I felt may have an opinion on it too. (It only came from the recent discussion about Paddy's girlfriend, otherwise I wouldn't have said it again).

Fact is, like I said, at present I would prefer to not have him know. I figured that it would cause him nothing but heartache, put strain on the relationship and yes, leave the possibility of him using it against me in the future. That was what I believed...and I wanted male opinions on the matter. I have not been in a long term relationship since I started working, so I have not been in the position of making the decision yet. For all I knew...the men in here may have said "Don't tell him!!"

But they have all said the same thing so far...that the hurt of not being told and finding out later would be worse than finding out at the beginning. Because of what they (and you) have told me, I will probably bring it up with my partner next time it looks like a relationship could be developing (If it ever happens!!! LOL)

For the record, I don't WANT to bury my past. I want the man I love to understand who I really am and accept that who I really am includes being a sex worker. I don't want to live in fear of him finding out...and like Joe said, that would be difficult to hide considering my current job. I've also appeared in the media many times in defence of sex workers (not identifying as one mind you, or with any pictures) and intend on eventually writing a book, which will more than likely lead to instant public exposure. If I had a partner who didn't know, I would have to forget the book idea...and that is too important to me to give up.

Either way I'm still single so it's hardly an issue. Perhaps I need an "Australian Men" section to whine in???