The Morality of Prostitution

[Warbucks]

I was unaware of that bit of urban lexicon but I don't think I'd be comfortable using it, myself. Not afraid of women. But, they had sexual power over me, when I wasn't mongering. That led to making some decisions with my dick that should have been made with my brain, a couple of times. Things like live in City A vs. City B, take job A vs. job B, go to school A vs. (much better) school B (I did that for sure), for reasons of pussy. I'm thinkin' I'm not the only one out here who's done that kind of shit.

DH as Michael Jackson once said you are not alone. I did a lot of shit and put up with a lot of shit because of my Ex but did you do that because of sex or did you do that because you loved and cared about them? Now a lot of guys have moved overseas and put up with all the calamities of living in a foreign country for sex only which I think is madness.

[Chocha Monger]

I was unaware of that bit of urban lexicon but I don't think I'd be comfortable using it, myself. Not afraid of women. But, they had sexual power over me, when I wasn't mongering. That led to making some decisions with my dick that should have been made with my brain, a couple of times. Things like live in City A vs. City B, take job A vs. job B, go to school A vs. (much better) school B (I did that for sure), for reasons of pussy. I'm thinkin' I'm not the only one out here who's done that kind of shit.

Guilty as charged! lol That is very common in the USA. It all has to do with how we were socialized and American women's mastery of, "Honey if you love me you'll do A instead of B so we can be together." Now my attitude is more along the lines of Nightrider's girlfriend. I try to save my virginity for that special someone but I constantly find myself waking up in hotels in some foreign country with my cock up some cute stranger's pussy without a clue as to how it ever got there. But I always give the stranger some money and forget to report the incident to the authorities. I don't think that they'll believe me anyway.

[Dickhead]

I was unaware of that bit of urban lexicon but I don't think I'd be comfortable using it, myself. Not afraid of women. But, they had sexual power over me, when I wasn't mongering. That led to making some decisions with my dick that should have been made with my brain, a couple of times. Things like live in City A vs. City B, take job A vs. job B, go to school A vs. (much better) school B (I did that for sure), for reasons of pussy. I'm thinkin' I'm not the only one out here who's done that kind of shit.

[Piper1]

DH it simply means to fuck, long and hard, touch the cervix all the while being cordial and pleasing the woman.

See, I told ya so. Damn, why do I always have to be right?

[Warbucks]

Dickhead - that's Afro-American English for "I like to please my woman". Sounds scary to old white men, but it's why girls like young black men.

I have not seen an Afro in years. Well at least since Bone Thugs in Harmony. Don’t know if you being sarcastic or serious with your last comment but I think Opebo is an old white guy and we all know how he and few others treat the hired help.

"Beat the pussy like it stole it something" is pretty indicative of IL/DW's double-standard and obvious problems with mongering.

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DH it simply means to fuck, long and hard, touch the cervix all the while being cordial and pleasing the woman. I don’t know how this is indicative of my problems with mongering could you explain?

"But becoming "impervious to the manipulative wiles of ... women," now that has a lot to do with why I personally monger. Women have no power over me any more, and I'm very happy about that.

Women should not have power over you anyway whether you are single or married. You are a man.

[Piper1]

"Beat the pussy like it stole it something" is pretty indicative of IL's double-standard and obvious problems with mongering.

Dickhead - that's Afro-American English for "I like to please my woman". Sounds scary to old white men, but it's why girls like young black men.

Women have no power over me any more, and I'm very happy about that.

I don't understand why women have power over you. Are you scared of women? That's sad. Personally, I like women.

[Dickhead]

Yeah, if I were paying $200-$300 per poke, that would be pretty bleak. Today I chose one of my $26 options. Other days I choose one of my $21 options. Occasionally I also like my $45 TLN option but not more than once a week.

Morally, since I moved from a wealthy neighborhood to the exact geographic center of hookers ten days ago, I face a lot of these decisions. I suppose I could try the $18 option that is a block away. The women there are old friends of mine. But, after knowing them for almost seven years, the problem is they are too old.

The $39 "off-peak" package of a drink, professional massage, BBJ, sex, and shower is also a fine value, but only available 10P-10A. 10A-10P this is $52 which is not going to happen. www.gysell.com; she advertises in the Argentina forum.

I believe paying less is the more moral thing for me to do, because I am going to spend the same amount monthly in pursuit of the hobby. Therefore, by paying less, I pay more. More chicas, that is. My goal is to do the greatest good for the greatest number. It's altruism in its purest and most moral form. That's particularly true when in any given week I can stimulate the economies of not just Argentina, but Perú. Colombia, Uruguay, and especially Paraguay. My mongering alone probably comprises 2% of Paraguay's GDP.

The favorita did have to do the walk of shame up Suipacha past all the hooker bars last week, and was worried about me becoming a bit too altruistic living in such close proximity. I explained to her that although there were indeed a lot of hooker bars in the neighborhood, she didn't need to worry about them since there were also so many streetwalkers and privados in the neighborhood. Strangely, this did seem to re-assure her.

[Gentleman Travel]

I agree, but I personally like the combination of both ways.

After spending quite a bit of time mongering in the past years (I think my track is now @ about 250 girls), I have a hard time to envision going back to a normal life without renting girls twice-a-month.

Yes, I do have a nice, caring, average looking girlfriend at home and it is a happy relationship. However our ideas of sex are not fully matching. She is now coming to age (42) and I am always tempted by younger girls (18y-22y).

I do not want to split at all, because life is fun when I am at home (I am travelling a lot), but I continue to play with the devil side while I am away.

The combination of being at home (friendly environment) and abroad (lustful environment) works pretty fine for me. I hope this stays for quite a bit of time like that.

Raptor

I'm with you 100%.
Even when my wife is not putting out the way I would like,
I am still getting it say 2-3 times per week, every week, all year.
Then I get to party (or try to) whenever I travel. Best of both worlds.

Of course, I would be able to monger more if I was not married, but the
pickings are so slim in my city that it would be tough to beat the comforts of home.

The other downside is if she finds out, then the whole structure comes down.
But I reconciled myself with that some time ago and am prepared to defend my choices and freedom.

But the idea of only having sex while away at a mongering destination, or when I am prepared to drop $200-300 per poke, seems awfully bleak...

[Dickhead]

"Beat the pussy like it stole it something" is pretty indicative of IL/DW's double-standard and obvious problems with mongering.

But becoming "impervious to the manipulative wiles of ... women," now that has a lot to do with why I personally monger. Women have no power over me any more, and I'm very happy about that.

[Raptor 09]

It is cheaper, more fun and interesting to rent rather than to own.

I agree, but I personally like the combination of both ways.

After spending quite a bit of time mongering in the past years (I think my track is now @ about 250 girls), I have a hard time to envision going back to a normal life without renting girls twice-a-month.

Yes, I do have a nice, caring, average looking girlfriend at home and it is a happy relationship. However our ideas of sex are not fully matching. She is now coming to age (42) and I am always tempted by younger girls (18y-22y).

I do not want to split at all, because life is fun when I am at home (I am travelling a lot), but I continue to play with the devil side while I am away.

The combination of being at home (friendly environment) and abroad (lustful environment) works pretty fine for me. I hope this stays for quite a bit of time like that.

Raptor

[Gedanken]

One of the best posts I have seen on this board, or on the subject in general.

I have a similar outlook. You are in an airplane thousands of feet in the air, and layed out below you is a city teeming with people--only at this point you can't even see them, because they are miniscule as ants. And you think God is watching the sex life of billions of individuals and passing judgement? No, our sex lives are no more significant in the grand scheme of things than the sex lives of the fire ants in my back yard.

Thank you for your kind words, Frannie. Yeah, I like to take a more philosophical slant to mongering too. Like yourself I imagine all the girls I'll meet whilst I'm circling before landing, somewhere far below. Even as I sit here now the girls I'm going to fuck in Ghana are busy doing whatever - I wonder who they are...

And I agree: each of us has to accept that eventually we will die, and this world will carry on just fine without us. That sounds harsh, but it's true for everyone who ever lives, so I don't lose any sleep over it. I think it's good to value human life whilst accepting the things humans do aren't of any eternal significance. Even if human beings don't kill themselves off with climate change or nuclear war (which is looking decidedly unlikely, to be honest), it will still be the case that one day, far, far into the future, the conditions for any life at all will still become impossible.

But again: what do I care? We're all in the same boat: me, you, the girls we fuck, Barack Obama, the richest man on earth, the babies who are being born as you read these words...

Anyway, the point is I don't think mongering is something to regret as some kind of 'eternal crime'. Plus it's ALWAYS good to keep in mind that famous human delusion called the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. If I were married with kids, I'd get one set of good experiences and miss out on others; if I continue to monger, I get to fuck really hot women on a regular basis but miss out on being a Dad. I consciously choose the latter, and I'm man enough to live with the choices I make.

The grass is always greener, never forget that!

Although I don't have even the slightest tinge of Jungle fever, I agree with everything you have written. Well said.

Unfortunately (fortunately?), I've become a hardened monger too. I really don't think I can be successful in a(nother) marriage. Even many girls want to have a relationship with me, I am just not ready and probably never will be. I don't want to break any more hearts. Life is too short, live free and be happy.

It is cheaper, more fun and interesting to rent rather than to own.

Again, thanks for your kind words. It's interesting to hear from a guy who looks at things the same way I do. If I stopped mongering right now, with time I could surely 'recover' and get married. But you'll notice that word 'if'; I am not going to 'recover' because I fully intend to do this for the rest of my life and don't regard the plus sides to marriage as worth it. Just my personal opinion, which I'm perfectly entitled to.

I'm sure at some point I'll naturally start to desire a long-term relationship, rather than continue with endless mongering, but as I said above, I'll simply remind myself that the grass is always greener.

Besides, if I want to taste a loving relationship I merely need to find a girl who likes me in whatever country and who's after a husband, then go with her for a little while. Trouble is, before long, my dick would be demanding to add to the tally of smoking-hot girls and I'll end the relationship. I know that's callously using a girl to steady my nerves, but is that really any worse than paying to fuck her like a piece of meat? Hardly, she'll get over me soon enough and meet someone else.

Life's too short for regrets; the grass is always greener. I think those two principles will serve me well enough during my mongering career!

The wine's starting to kick in, so I'll leave you with the words of a Christian intellectual of yesteryear which I think sum up the human condition brilliantly:

Look at the universe we live in. By far the greatest part of it consists of empty space, completely dark and unimaginably cold. The bodies which move in this space are so few and so small in comparison with the space itself that even if every one of them were known to be crowded as full as it could hold with perfectly happy creatures, it would still be difficult to believe that life and happiness were more than a byproduct to the power that made the universe.

As it is, however, the scientists think it likely that very few of the suns of space — perhaps none of them except our own — have any planets; and in our own system it is improbable that any planet except the Earth sustains life. And Earth herself existed without life for millions of years and may exist for millions more when life has left her.

And what is it like while it lasts? It is so arranged that all the forms of it can live only by preying upon one another. In the lower forms this process entails only death, but in the higher there appears a new quality called consciousness which enables it to be attended with pain. The creatures cause pain by being born, and live by inflicting pain, and in pain they mostly die.

In the most complex of all the creatures, Man, yet another quality appears, which we call reason, whereby he is enabled to foresee his own pain which henceforth is preceded with acute mental suffering, and to foresee his own death while keenly desiring permanence. It also enables men by a hundred ingenious contrivances to inflict a great deal more pain than they otherwise could have done on one another and on the irrational creatures.

This power they have exploited to the full. Their history is largely a record of crime, war, disease, and terror, with just sufficient happiness interposed to give them, while it lasts, an agonised apprehension of losing it, and, when it is lost, the poignant misery of remembering. Every now and then they improve their condition a little and what we call a civilisation appears. But all civilisations pass away and, even while they remain, inflict peculiar sufferings of their own probably sufficient to outweigh what alleviations they may have brought to the normal pains of man. That our own civilisation has done so, no one will dispute; that it will pass away like all its predecessors is surely probable.

Even if it should not, what then? The race is doomed. Every race that comes into being in any part of the universe is doomed; for the universe, they tell us, is running down, and will sometime be a uniform infinity of homogeneous matter at a low temperature. All stories will come to nothing: all life will turn out in the end to have been a transitory and senseless contortion upon the idiotic face of infinite matter.

If you ask me to believe that this is the work of a benevolent and omnipotent spirit, I reply that all the evidence points in the opposite direction. Either there is no spirit behind the universe, or else a spirit indifferent to good and evil, or else an evil spirit.

[Frannie]

For me now, there's no going back because of the simple fact that mongering does change you - and change you for the worse. I'm a harder man these days because I've had to close down the caring side to me to enable me to live with what I've done and continue to enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I've only shut down as much of the caring side as I've needed to, I'm not some sort of psycho doing anything I god-damn please. It's just that I'm not as caring as I used to be, you know? I just can't see me making a marriage last when I've had to change myself for the worse in such a way.

Are the effects of mongering a price worth paying? Well, I guess you can't clone yourself and then run an experiment - one clone mongering, the other living a normal life - and then compare the two lives at the end. I guess it's a pointless question then. At the very least, my lifestyle is uncommon and requires a peculiar sort of strength to carry out. When I look back as an old man, I can't say I'll be proud of my life, but at least I'll have had the courage to go my own way.

The way I see it sometimes, in two-hundred years' time I'll be dead, the girls I've fucked will be dead, everyone on this forum will be dead, and no one will give a shit. Nothing will remain, not even a memory. Does anyone give a shit about the guys who saw prostitutes back in the eighteenth century, or the prostitutes themselves? Does anyone give a shit about ANYONE who lived in the eighteenth century?? Nope, indeed I don't even know who 99% of them are. That's maybe a callous way to look at human life, but from time to time that's the way I feel I need to look at it. If I wasn't a convinced atheist there's no way I would be mongering ;D

Yeah, I agree, lots of denial, though I don't mean that as a harsh criticism. I don't think denial is good, cos it opens the door to reall horror, but it's inevitable for a good number of guys to need to use denial as a defence mechanism.

It's pretty remarkable after you start mongering how everything which was normal before you started, everything that is normal for everyone else who's never mongered, becomes completely abnormal and second-rate. Likewise, the extraordinary becomes the routine.

I do wonder sometimes what it's like to go through life like my grandparents did, to just have one partner your whole life. Sometimes I regret my choice to monger rather than concentrate on building a quality, long-term relationship - but then I just look at a hot girl and my dick takes charge. No, there's no going back for me now! Life's too short for regrets.

One of the best posts I have seen on this board, or on the subject in general.

I have a similar outlook. You are in an airplane thousands of feet in the air, and layed out below you is a city teeming with people--only at this point you can't even see them, because they are miniscule as ants. And you think God is watching the sex life of billions of individuals and passing judgement? No, our sex lives are no more significant in the grand scheme of things than the sex lives of the fire ants in my back yard.

Mongering has changed me, and for the better, and I am not ashamed of that, and even if I cannot discuss it with most of the people I meet in my work and daily life, I know that it affects all my relationships. Mostly I feel sorry for the other guys and impervious to the manipulative wiles of the women. I am very popular with women and can get attractive, younger girlfriends if I want, but I don't want to get into relationships based on delusory and temporary affection governed by lust, that will inevitably turn to dross over a period of time.

[Rubber Nursey]

RN you are a first world women so you was not always this nonchalant about sex at least I think so what was it that gave you this attitude what changed you? Clearly this is not the thought process of the community at large.

I'm not sure what you mean...are you saying that as a 'first world woman', I should have inherently negative views about sex? LOL Nothing changed me. I was never uptight and precious about sex in the first place. I've always enjoyed sex for what it is - whether it's for payment, for fun, or for love.

Sex is just sex? I don’t fuck prostitutes like I would a GF..... So you see sex is not just sex. Some sex is based on a mutual understanding, respect etc... feelings other sex is purely a financial transaction.

You're talking about emotions and feelings attached to sex. I'm talking purely about the physical aspects - penis in vagina, tongue in mouth, skin on skin, orgasm, etc. Sex means different things at different times and with different people, but it's still sex.

Please expound.

??? Some of my ex boyfriends have been needy and/or dominating and/or sucked the (emotional) life outta me. That's why they're exes! That's all. No big mystery.

[Chocha Monger]

I decided that the whole marriage economic slave package was not for me after a few years in the military. I saw how military wives used the regulations and the commanders to keep their husbands in line. These women treated these guys like kids and always ran to tell daddy (the commander) if these guys were being bad. Being bad could mean a suspected affair or not giving them as much money as they thought that they were entitled to. In the military a wife can break a man's career. If she got traffic tickets or wrote bad checks the guy was likely to get pulled on the carpet since he was the sponsor. I thought it was foolish for a man to allow a woman to have that much control over his life.

Later on I realized that it wasn't just the military but American law at large opened a married man up to a host of liabilities. These liabilities went beyond child support and alimony. Some states allowed a man's property to be attached if his wife was sued for debts or causing injury to a third party. The whole thing was just unpalatable, a very raw deal. Then one day I discovered the hobby by accident. I never thought the same about relationships again. There is something quite liberating about being able to bang a 9.5/10 chick without having to cater to her whims. Knowing that I can have access to that for a pittance pretty much knocked pussy off its pedestal as far as I was concerned. The result is that I now hold women to the same standards as men when it comes to work, the law or anything else. I guess you could say that the hobby has made me more egalitarian.

[Yellow Fever #2]

Sex is just sex?

I don’t fuck prostitutes like I would a GF and I would love to hear if any of the married mongers do? There are precautions and restraints once must adhere. For example condom with WG. No condom with GF. Beat the pussy like it stole it something with WG girl because you want to get your money worth your on "rented time." This is not a problem with a GF. No kissing WGs at least not me. So you see sex is not just sex. Some sex is based on a mutual understanding, respect etc... feelings other sex is purely a financial transaction.


Please expound.

I don't consider sex a financial transaction, even if I pay for it. I get lots of free pussy.

I try my best to treat a WG as my GF. My goal is to make her happy, if I can make her happy, I will be happy too. I've had only great experiences this way. It is a wonderful thing to get reference sex, when her friends want to try you too.

That being said, sometimes I pick up so dubious girls that honestly I should not have taken. In those cases, I just can't get it hard and the whole point is moot. I'll still pay them as agreed to meet my side of the bargain.