Thread: The Morality of Prostitution
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07-21-09 09:04 #3638
Posts: 205Originally Posted by Illogic
I try my best to treat a WG as my GF. My goal is to make her happy, if I can make her happy, I will be happy too. I've had only great experiences this way. It is a wonderful thing to get reference sex, when her friends want to try you too.
That being said, sometimes I pick up so dubious girls that honestly I should not have taken. In those cases, I just can't get it hard and the whole point is moot. I'll still pay them as agreed to meet my side of the bargain.
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07-21-09 08:58 #3637
Posts: 205Could not have said it better
Originally Posted by Gedanken
Unfortunately (fortunately?), I've become a hardened monger too. I really don't think I can be successful in a(nother) marriage. Even many girls want to have a relationship with me, I am just not ready and probably never will be. I don't want to break any more hearts. Life is too short, live free and be happy.
It is cheaper, more fun and interesting to rent rather than to own.
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07-21-09 07:35 #3636
Posts: 1342Thanks...And A Few Thoughts
Originally Posted by Gedanken
Originally Posted by Piper1
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
Sex is just sex?
I don’t fuck prostitutes like I would a GF and I would love to hear if any of the married mongers do? There are precautions and restraints once must adhere to. For example condom with WG. No condom with GF. Beat the pussy like it stole it something with WG girl because you want to get your money worth your on "rented time." This is not a problem with a GF. No kissing WGs at least not me. So you see sex is not just sex. Some sex is based on a mutual understanding, respect etc... feelings other sex is purely a financial transaction.
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
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07-21-09 01:37 #3635
Posts: 111You've changed your name, Illogic! Good to see you still fighting the good fight, and steering clear of self-deception and lazy logic.
Originally Posted by Illogic
Originally Posted by Illogic
I started off in my early twenties wanting a wife, kid etc. - but then after I'd had a few average-looking girlfriends, I was curious what hot girls are like... So I started paying to fuck hot women... and it's a slippery slope thereafter! After I'd seen a dozen girls, I already realised my life was on a different course, and that wife and kids just wouldn't happen.
For me now, there's no going back because of the simple fact that mongering does change you - and change you for the worse. I'm a harder man these days because I've had to close down the caring side to me to enable me to live with what I've done and continue to enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I've only shut down as much of the caring side as I've needed to, I'm not some sort of psycho doing anything I god-damn please. It's just that I'm not as caring as I used to be, you know? I just can't see me making a marriage last when I've had to change myself for the worse in such a way.
Are the effects of mongering a price worth paying? Well, I guess you can't clone yourself and then run an experiment - one clone mongering, the other living a normal life - and then compare the two lives at the end. I guess it's a pointless question then. At the very least, my lifestyle is uncommon and requires a peculiar sort of strength to carry out. When I look back as an old man, I can't say I'll be proud of my life, but at least I'll have had the courage to go my own way.
The way I see it sometimes, in two-hundred years' time I'll be dead, the girls I've fucked will be dead, everyone on this forum will be dead, and no one will give a shit. Nothing will remain, not even a memory. Does anyone give a shit about the guys who saw prostitutes back in the eighteenth century, or the prostitutes themselves? Does anyone give a shit about ANYONE who lived in the eighteenth century?? Nope, indeed I don't even know who 99% of them are. That's maybe a callous way to look at human life, but from time to time that's the way I feel I need to look at it. If I wasn't a convinced atheist there's no way I would be mongering ;D
Originally Posted by Illogic
It's pretty remarkable after you start mongering how everything which was normal before you started, everything that is normal for everyone else who's never mongered, becomes completely abnormal and second-rate. Likewise, the extraordinary becomes the routine.
I do wonder sometimes what it's like to go through life like my grandparents did, to just have one partner your whole life. Sometimes I regret my choice to monger rather than concentrate on building a quality, long-term relationship - but then I just look at a hot girl and my dick takes charge. No, there's no going back for me now! Life's too short for regrets.
I'm off to West Africa before long, Illogic. I'm enjoying winking at all the hot Black girls I see about town now, and watching them shun me with disgust. Before too long, those hot Black girls won't be looking at me with disgust, but with lust! Here's to being from a rich country! Watch out for my first report, with photos!
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07-16-09 16:16 #3634
Posts: 1345LOL, Piper. :P That sex with boyfriends thing was very badly articulated. I would have removed it, except everyone started quoting me before I had the chance! What I meant was that the sex I had at work was just the same as regular sex - that is, it didn't leave me damaged or different or somehow less 'whole', just because I was paid for it. Sex is just sex.
But now that you mention it, there ARE some depressing similarities between high-maintenance clients and many of my ex boyfriends....
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07-16-09 16:02 #3633
Posts: 4050Originally Posted by Rubber NurseyOriginally Posted by Rubber Nursey
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Illogic - Do you have nothing else to do but dodge bombs and bullets in Afghanistan and stir up ISG members? Get thee back to Dubai and get laid young man!
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07-16-09 15:44 #3632
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Illogic
Originally Posted by Houziwang
I've always had a very quick temper, but sex work honestly taught me a lot about self-control and tolerance. Strange, but true.
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07-16-09 00:36 #3631
Posts: 165Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
The first thing a prostitute learns is ... patience. Now that is funny!
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07-15-09 21:54 #3630
Posts: 606Why would "normal" women be better than prostitutes???
Originally Posted by Illogic
I actually often respect much more hookers(honest ones) than "normal' women. Often "normal' women use you and take advantage of you much more than hookers.
Prostitutes know what a man needs and what to do to make him happy. While many 'normal' woman demand that a man makes them happy, both sexually and materialistically.
In many cases also "normal" women are much dumber than prostitutes and do/say very stupid things.
One my friend says "The most honest woman is a prostitute".
So why would "normal" women be better than prostitutes?
In many cases they look worse, they demand more, more dishonest, do not know shit about fucking, they fuck mostly your brains, get upset or pissed easily(often to make you do more stuff for them) etc..
And one from Rodney Dangerfield, it looks like some people never heard this:
'A man approaches a beautiful woman in a bar, and without any small talk, asks her "If I give you a dollar will you sleep with me?" The woman is instantly angry and tells the man "Absolutely not!" Before she can get away from the man he asks her a second question. "Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?" Now the woman pauses and after some thought says "Yes, I will." The man responds "How about for twenty dollars?" Again the woman looks indignant and says "Of course not. What kind of a woman do you think I am?" The man replies "I thought we just settled that. I was just negotiating the price." '
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07-15-09 21:16 #3629
Posts: 3359Originally Posted by Illogic
Originally Posted by Illogic
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07-15-09 21:00 #3628
Posts: 1342Would You Mind....For $
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1994
Hell I met a bar girl back in October 08’ who had a degree in Accounting. I knew something was up because her English was flawless and she was discussing things like racism, financial and social ills in the States way out of the norm for your run of the mill typical Pinay bar girl. She just said working the bar paid her more than an accounting job. I still regret not taking her home for the night to this day.
Hookers mentally are different than normal women. If a guy walks up to a normal woman with a fist full of Dollars, Pesos, Dirhims etc and say hey can you blow me and fuck me for a pre-determined amount? This might turn-out uglier than a pair of bowling shoes, with the requester being beaten sued, sexual harassment charge or fired. With a prostitute you don’t have worry about such matters.
Second thing about four weeks ago I picked up a bargirl and I asked couple questions like did she have baby, where is the boyfriend etc…She said no boyfriend. Boyfriends are trouble and if she needs sex she just go with a customer in the bars while getting paid for it.
Now is that a prostitute talking or what?
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07-15-09 19:59 #3627
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Illogic
And you're right, I over-reacted to you saying 'buying a piece of pussy'... although, considering what else you wrote in your post (hookers are dumb, hookers are 'mentally' different to other women, etc) a general lack of respect for sex workers was a pretty safe assumption to make. I tend to get a little snappy when people call me a deranged imbecile.
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07-15-09 16:52 #3626
Posts: 3359Now Illogic is doing a better job of supporting his argument. I would think his experiences would lead to a better understanding of human nature. Although, I really don't want to go to any of those places.
But I didn't mean that the woman should dominate the man in the bedroom. I just mean traditionally in a lot of cultures an older woman teaches a younger man about sex. I don't have any pie charts but I think this is more common in more cultures than the reverse. Tahiti is an example that comes to mind.
Here, what's very common is your uncle takes you to a privado for your fifteenth or sixteenth birthday, and an experienced hooker guides you through your first experience which, of course, often involves premature ejaculation and other embarrassments that perhaps are best not experienced with a girlfriend.
My first lover was fifteen, almost sixteen, and I had just turned thirteen, and she was very patient and taught me a few things. She loved to pop cherries but of course she moved on after three sessions. As far as I know I have never been with a virgin and I never want to be.
Now the Morality of Working a War Zone When the War is Bullshit is probably another thread for another forum.
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07-15-09 11:53 #3625
Posts: 1342A Better Person?
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
I have friends who say that they will never pay for pussy or such this is just how "we" people in my circle talk. Turning the pussy into an object. It has no connotative tone expressing my hatred for women whatsoever.
I am sorry but I am laughing myself off the keyboard at this statement
Originally Posted by Rubber Nursey
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07-15-09 09:14 #3624
Posts: 1345Maybe you're waiting on comment for me, but I can't. I'm too shocked and don't know where to start.
All I will say is, DH and Bango - everything you've said in your posts, *I* would say from the other side of the coin. I've learned soooo much about sex, culture, gender, etc from sex work. And yes, I believe it has made me a better person/lover.
To Illogic - anyone who says they 'bought their first pussy' (as opposed to first paid for sex, hired their first sex worker, paid their first woman, etc) quite obviously has an issue with sex workers and/or women. I worked as a hooker for a long time and - surprise surprise - my pussy is still exactly where I left it. I didn't 'sell my body' and nobody 'bought' my pussy. The sex I had with my clients was exactly the same as I've had with my lovers, only my clients paid cash for it.