The Morality of Prostitution

[Yellow Fever #2]

You took the words out of my mouth. The more women I fuck, the more women I want to fuck. It's crazy, though I'm sure there's a rational explanation.

I started off in my early twenties wanting a wife, kid etc. - but then after I'd had a few average-looking girlfriends, I was curious what hot girls are like... So I started paying to fuck hot women... and it's a slippery slope thereafter! After I'd seen a dozen girls, I already realised my life was on a different course, and that wife and kids just wouldn't happen.

For me now, there's no going back because of the simple fact that mongering does change you - and change you for the worse. I'm a harder man these days because I've had to close down the caring side to me to enable me to live with what I've done and continue to enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I've only shut down as much of the caring side as I've needed to, I'm not some sort of psycho doing anything I god-damn please. It's just that I'm not as caring as I used to be, you know? I just can't see me making a marriage last when I've had to change myself for the worse in such a way.

Are the effects of mongering a price worth paying? Well, I guess you can't clone yourself and then run an experiment - one clone mongering, the other living a normal life - and then compare the two lives at the end. I guess it's a pointless question then. At the very least, my lifestyle is uncommon and requires a peculiar sort of strength to carry out. When I look back as an old man, I can't say I'll be proud of my life, but at least I'll have had the courage to go my own way.

The way I see it sometimes, in two-hundred years' time I'll be dead, the girls I've fucked will be dead, everyone on this forum will be dead, and no one will give a shit. Nothing will remain, not even a memory. Does anyone give a shit about the guys who saw prostitutes back in the eighteenth century, or the prostitutes themselves? Does anyone give a shit about ANYONE who lived in the eighteenth century?? Nope, indeed I don't even know who 99% of them are. That's maybe a callous way to look at human life, but from time to time that's the way I feel I need to look at it. If I wasn't a convinced atheist there's no way I would be mongering ;D

Yeah, I agree, lots of denial, though I don't mean that as a harsh criticism. I don't think denial is good, cos it opens the door to reall horror, but it's inevitable for a good number of guys to need to use denial as a defence mechanism.

It's pretty remarkable after you start mongering how everything which was normal before you started, everything that is normal for everyone else who's never mongered, becomes completely abnormal and second-rate. Likewise, the extraordinary becomes the routine.

I do wonder sometimes what it's like to go through life like my grandparents did, to just have one partner your whole life. Sometimes I regret my choice to monger rather than concentrate on building a quality, long-term relationship - but then I just look at a hot girl and my dick takes charge. No, there's no going back for me now! Life's too short for regrets.

I'm off to West Africa before long, Illogic. I'm enjoying winking at all the hot Black girls I see about town now, and watching them shun me with disgust. Before too long, those hot Black girls won't be looking at me with disgust, but with lust! Here's to being from a rich country! Watch out for my first report, with photos!

Although I don't have even the slightest tinge of Jungle fever, I agree with everything you have written. Well said.

Unfortunately (fortunately?), I've become a hardened monger too. I really don't think I can be successful in a(nother) marriage. Even many girls want to have a relationship with me, I am just not ready and probably never will be. I don't want to break any more hearts. Life is too short, live free and be happy.

It is cheaper, more fun and interesting to rent rather than to own.

[Warbucks]

You've changed your name, Illogic! Good to see you still fighting the good fight, and steering clear of self-deception and lazy logic.

I'm off to West Africa before long, Illogic. I'm enjoying winking at all the hot Black girls I see about town now, and watching them shun me with disgust. Before too long, those hot Black girls won't be looking at me with disgust, but with lust! Here's to being from a rich country! Watch out for my first report, with photos!

All I can say is thank you man. Yeah I will be changing back to Warbucks as it had a nice ring to it and it fits me. Good luck on the trip. At any rate I don’t know why these guys just won’t knock it off with the bullshit. (Mongering improved me, I am not a sex addict blah blah.)

Illogic - Do you have nothing else to do but dodge bombs and bullets in Afghanistan and stir up ISG members? Get thee back to Dubai and get laid young man!

Pipe I have never been any danger whatsoever since I have been working in ME. I am under constant threat of dying of boredom though which why I post so much. As for bombs and bullets, in my contrastingly rich/poor American city I have had guns and other weapons brandished my way by racist/overzealous police and street gangs etc….

LOL, Piper. :P That sex with boyfriends thing was very badly articulated. I would have removed it, except everyone started quoting me before I had the chance! What I meant was that the sex I had at work was just the same as regular sex - that is, it didn't leave me damaged or different or somehow less 'whole', just because I was paid for it. Sex is just sex.

RN you are a first world woman so you was not always this nonchalant about sex at least I think, so what was it that gave you this attitude what changed you? Clearly this is not the thought process of the community at large.

Sex is just sex?

I don’t fuck prostitutes like I would a GF and I would love to hear if any of the married mongers do? There are precautions and restraints once must adhere to. For example condom with WG. No condom with GF. Beat the pussy like it stole it something with WG girl because you want to get your money worth your on "rented time." This is not a problem with a GF. No kissing WGs at least not me. So you see sex is not just sex. Some sex is based on a mutual understanding, respect etc... feelings other sex is purely a financial transaction.

But now that you mention it, there ARE some depressing similarities between high-maintenance clients and many of my ex boyfriends....

Please expound.

[Gedanken]

You've changed your name, Illogic! Good to see you still fighting the good fight, and steering clear of self-deception and lazy logic.

I guess I am insecure because I would never accept a woman who has slept with a lot of men. I just wouldn't want a relationship with a woman who gives out the pussy like government cheese.

Ditto, though I think context for me would depend. Despite the reams of denials to the contrary here, you and I both know the women we use don't like their 'work' (I'm excluding rich world girls making megabucks here). On a per capita basis, just compare how many American girls enter prostitution there are compared to Thai ones. How many semi-pros are there in England compared to Ghana? Do semi-pros even exist in rich countries?? Poverty forces girls to make a terrible decision: sell myself, or live my life struggling to survive? The only reason 99% of girls do this work is because they are poor. Simple as, I don't delude myself otherwise, though of course I take full advantage to fuck hot girls at low cost. This said, I wouldn't actually have a problem marrying a former working-girl because I know that though she's had a lot of sex, she's not really enjoyed it. A silly rich-world **** who spreads like peanut butter is a no-no. Just my personal opinion, as always.

Before I started mongering all I wanted was a woman to call my own a wife (had one of those already) a house in the suburbs and kids. The American dream. Now all I want is the Nacirema dream. Nothing but endless supplies of young, fresh nubile women to fuck. I have become insatiable sex wise and women wise.

I was always insatiable sex wise but before I didn't want to change women like socks. I was content with one woman. This is no longer the case.

You took the words out of my mouth. The more women I fuck, the more women I want to fuck. It's crazy, though I'm sure there's a rational explanation.

I started off in my early twenties wanting a wife, kid etc. - but then after I'd had a few average-looking girlfriends, I was curious what hot girls are like... So I started paying to fuck hot women... and it's a slippery slope thereafter! After I'd seen a dozen girls, I already realised my life was on a different course, and that wife and kids just wouldn't happen.

For me now, there's no going back because of the simple fact that mongering does change you - and change you for the worse. I'm a harder man these days because I've had to close down the caring side to me to enable me to live with what I've done and continue to enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I've only shut down as much of the caring side as I've needed to, I'm not some sort of psycho doing anything I god-damn please. It's just that I'm not as caring as I used to be, you know? I just can't see me making a marriage last when I've had to change myself for the worse in such a way.

Are the effects of mongering a price worth paying? Well, I guess you can't clone yourself and then run an experiment - one clone mongering, the other living a normal life - and then compare the two lives at the end. I guess it's a pointless question then. At the very least, my lifestyle is uncommon and requires a peculiar sort of strength to carry out. When I look back as an old man, I can't say I'll be proud of my life, but at least I'll have had the courage to go my own way.

The way I see it sometimes, in two-hundred years' time I'll be dead, the girls I've fucked will be dead, everyone on this forum will be dead, and no one will give a shit. Nothing will remain, not even a memory. Does anyone give a shit about the guys who saw prostitutes back in the eighteenth century, or the prostitutes themselves? Does anyone give a shit about ANYONE who lived in the eighteenth century?? Nope, indeed I don't even know who 99% of them are. That's maybe a callous way to look at human life, but from time to time that's the way I feel I need to look at it. If I wasn't a convinced atheist there's no way I would be mongering ;D

All these guys talking about they are the same since they became a monger... I just love the denial that is so prevalent on this forum.

Yeah, I agree, lots of denial, though I don't mean that as a harsh criticism. I don't think denial is good, cos it opens the door to reall horror, but it's inevitable for a good number of guys to need to use denial as a defence mechanism.

It's pretty remarkable after you start mongering how everything which was normal before you started, everything that is normal for everyone else who's never mongered, becomes completely abnormal and second-rate. Likewise, the extraordinary becomes the routine.

I do wonder sometimes what it's like to go through life like my grandparents did, to just have one partner your whole life. Sometimes I regret my choice to monger rather than concentrate on building a quality, long-term relationship - but then I just look at a hot girl and my dick takes charge. No, there's no going back for me now! Life's too short for regrets.

I'm off to West Africa before long, Illogic. I'm enjoying winking at all the hot Black girls I see about town now, and watching them shun me with disgust. Before too long, those hot Black girls won't be looking at me with disgust, but with lust! Here's to being from a rich country! Watch out for my first report, with photos!

[Rubber Nursey]

LOL, Piper. :P That sex with boyfriends thing was very badly articulated. I would have removed it, except everyone started quoting me before I had the chance! What I meant was that the sex I had at work was just the same as regular sex - that is, it didn't leave me damaged or different or somehow less 'whole', just because I was paid for it. Sex is just sex.

But now that you mention it, there ARE some depressing similarities between high-maintenance clients and many of my ex boyfriends....

[Piper1]

... Imagine listening to their entire life stories. Imagine having someone dictate your every move, every word, every position, down to the most minute detail, because he wants to get his fantasy just right. Imagine hearing the same patronising crap, every single day..."why is a girl like you doing this; you're too smart for this; you're better than this; you just need a nice man to look after you". Or worse, fending off clients who think they ARE that nice man!

Then ...

The sex I had with my clients was exactly the same as I've had with my lovers

Damn RN, you've had some high-maintenance boyfriends!
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Illogic - Do you have nothing else to do but dodge bombs and bullets in Afghanistan and stir up ISG members? Get thee back to Dubai and get laid young man!

[Rubber Nursey]

If a guy walks up to a normal woman with a fist full of Dollars, Pesos, Dirhims etc and say hey can you blow me and fuck me for a pre-determined amount? This might turn-out uglier than a pair of bowling shoes, with the requester being beaten sued, sexual harassment charge or fired. With a prostitute you don’t have worry about such matters.

LOL, Illogic! Could that be, just perhaps, because it's her JOB to accept money for sex?

The first thing a prostitute learns is ... patience. Now that is funny!

Ever worked in customer service and had to smile and chat and be nice to every customer? It's hard to maintain, especially if you're in a bad mood or the customer is a complete a**hole. Well...imagine if you had to not only smile and be nice to that person for an hour or two (or more), but you also had to cuddle them, caress them, have sex with them and kiss them goodbye. Imagine listening to their entire life stories. Imagine having someone dictate your every move, every word, every position, down to the most minute detail, because he wants to get his fantasy just right. Imagine hearing the same patronising crap, every single day..."why is a girl like you doing this; you're too smart for this; you're better than this; you just need a nice man to look after you". Or worse, fending off clients who think they ARE that nice man!

I've always had a very quick temper, but sex work honestly taught me a lot about self-control and tolerance. Strange, but true.

[Member #4214]

It taught me patience ...

The first thing a prostitute learns is ... patience. Now that is funny!

[Goga Fung]

Hookers mentally are different than normal women. If a guy walks up to a normal woman with a fist full of Dollars, Pesos, Dirhims etc and say hey can you blow me and fuck me for a pre-determined amount? This might turn-out uglier than a pair of bowling shoes, with the requester being beaten sued, sexual harassment charge or fired. With a prostitute you don’t have worry about such matters.

Yeas they kinda different, they are more understanding

I actually often respect much more hookers(honest ones) than "normal' women. Often "normal' women use you and take advantage of you much more than hookers.

Prostitutes know what a man needs and what to do to make him happy. While many 'normal' woman demand that a man makes them happy, both sexually and materialistically.

In many cases also "normal" women are much dumber than prostitutes and do/say very stupid things.

One my friend says "The most honest woman is a prostitute".

So why would "normal" women be better than prostitutes?

In many cases they look worse, they demand more, more dishonest, do not know shit about fucking, they fuck mostly your brains, get upset or pissed easily(often to make you do more stuff for them) etc..

And one from Rodney Dangerfield, it looks like some people never heard this:

'A man approaches a beautiful woman in a bar, and without any small talk, asks her "If I give you a dollar will you sleep with me?" The woman is instantly angry and tells the man "Absolutely not!" Before she can get away from the man he asks her a second question. "Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?" Now the woman pauses and after some thought says "Yes, I will." The man responds "How about for twenty dollars?" Again the woman looks indignant and says "Of course not. What kind of a woman do you think I am?" The man replies "I thought we just settled that. I was just negotiating the price." '

[Dickhead]

If a guy walks up to a normal woman with a fist full of Dollars, Pesos, Dirhims etc and say hey can you blow me and fuck me for a pre-determined amount? This might turn-out uglier than a pair of bowling shoes, with the requester being beaten sued, sexual harassment charge or fired.

If you do that where I live, nothing will happen. This is more US brainwash.

Boyfriends are trouble and if she needs sex she just go with a customer in the bars while getting paid for it. Now is that a prostitute talking or what?

Or a monger. Her attitude makes perfect sense to me. I monger because girlfriends are too much trouble. This is your double standard showing again. You can't even see it, though, can you?

[Warbucks]

It taught me patience and tolerance, exposed me to other cultures and gave me a better understanding of the men in my life, amongst other things. I think that makes me a better person?

And you're right, I over-reacted to you saying 'buying a piece of pussy'... although, considering what else you wrote in your post (hookers are dumb, hookers are 'mentally' different to other women, etc) a general lack of respect for sex workers was a pretty safe assumption to make. I tend to get a little snappy when people call me a deranged imbecile.

RN if you pay close attention I said most of the prostitutes I have encountered have been dumber than a box of rocks that does not mean all.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1994

Hell I met a bar girl back in October 08’ who had a degree in Accounting. I knew something was up because her English was flawless and she was discussing things like racism, financial and social ills in the States way out of the norm for your run of the mill typical Pinay bar girl. She just said working the bar paid her more than an accounting job. I still regret not taking her home for the night to this day.

Hookers mentally are different than normal women. If a guy walks up to a normal woman with a fist full of Dollars, Pesos, Dirhims etc and say hey can you blow me and fuck me for a pre-determined amount? This might turn-out uglier than a pair of bowling shoes, with the requester being beaten sued, sexual harassment charge or fired. With a prostitute you don’t have worry about such matters.

Second thing about four weeks ago I picked up a bargirl and I asked couple questions like did she have baby, where is the boyfriend etc…She said no boyfriend. Boyfriends are trouble and if she needs sex she just go with a customer in the bars while getting paid for it.

Now is that a prostitute talking or what?

[Rubber Nursey]

Lover part maybe. The better person part

It taught me patience and tolerance, exposed me to other cultures and gave me a better understanding of the men in my life, amongst other things. I think that makes me a better person?

And you're right, I over-reacted to you saying 'buying a piece of pussy'... although, considering what else you wrote in your post (hookers are dumb, hookers are 'mentally' different to other women, etc) a general lack of respect for sex workers was a pretty safe assumption to make. I tend to get a little snappy when people call me a deranged imbecile.

[Dickhead]

Now Illogic is doing a better job of supporting his argument. I would think his experiences would lead to a better understanding of human nature. Although, I really don't want to go to any of those places.

But I didn't mean that the woman should dominate the man in the bedroom. I just mean traditionally in a lot of cultures an older woman teaches a younger man about sex. I don't have any pie charts but I think this is more common in more cultures than the reverse. Tahiti is an example that comes to mind.

Here, what's very common is your uncle takes you to a privado for your fifteenth or sixteenth birthday, and an experienced hooker guides you through your first experience which, of course, often involves premature ejaculation and other embarrassments that perhaps are best not experienced with a girlfriend.

My first lover was fifteen, almost sixteen, and I had just turned thirteen, and she was very patient and taught me a few things. She loved to pop cherries but of course she moved on after three sessions. As far as I know I have never been with a virgin and I never want to be.

Now the Morality of Working a War Zone When the War is Bullshit is probably another thread for another forum.

[Warbucks]

yes, I believe it has made me a better person/lover.

Lover part maybe. The better person part

To Illogic - anyone who says they 'bought their first pussy' (as opposed to first paid for sex, hired their first sex worker, paid their first woman, etc) quite obviously has an issue with sex workers and/or women. I worked as a hooker for a long time and - surprise surprise - my pussy is still exactly where I left it. I didn't 'sell my body' and nobody 'bought' my pussy. The sex I had with my clients was exactly the same as I've had with my lovers, only my clients paid cash for it.

RN ok you are right I should have said the first time I paid for sex that is the politically correct phrase to use.

I have friends who say that they will never pay for pussy or such this is just how "we" people in my circle talk. Turning the pussy into an object. It has no connotative tone expressing my hatred for women whatsoever.

I am sorry but I am laughing myself off the keyboard at this statement

The sex I had with my clients was exactly the same as I've had with my lovers, only my clients paid cash for it.

[Rubber Nursey]

Maybe you're waiting on comment for me, but I can't. I'm too shocked and don't know where to start.

All I will say is, DH and Bango - everything you've said in your posts, *I* would say from the other side of the coin. I've learned soooo much about sex, culture, gender, etc from sex work. And yes, I believe it has made me a better person/lover.

To Illogic - anyone who says they 'bought their first pussy' (as opposed to first paid for sex, hired their first sex worker, paid their first woman, etc) quite obviously has an issue with sex workers and/or women. I worked as a hooker for a long time and - surprise surprise - my pussy is still exactly where I left it. I didn't 'sell my body' and nobody 'bought' my pussy. The sex I had with my clients was exactly the same as I've had with my lovers, only my clients paid cash for it.

[Warbucks]

Illogic, you are just so illogical. But then I'm such a dickhead. You say, "lol I think there are better ways to understand human nature." That is such a weak statement. Can you give an example?

Wow! You guys have used this Illogical joke so much it is past boring. DH as I have stated here countless times. I have worked in one of the most dangerous countries on earth for over four years. I have met people from all over the world and from all walks of life. Lithiuanians, SE Indians, Poles, Japanese, Koreans, Turks, various ethic Afghanis, Uzbeks, Tajicks, this is not all but it will take me a whole page to name the rest.

I have looked into the eyes of the Taliban. I have spoken to the sheep herder who lives an existence reministic of a caveman. Only tending to his flock. This guy has never seen a computer or an IPod etc. This has given me a better understanding of human nature than paying some random prostitute/women to fuck me.

You have such a complete double standard about mongering it's actually fairly humorous. It's obvious you are extremely conflicted about mongering.

What is the double standard? What is humorous? That I find some aspects (not all) of prostitution disturbing. I am not conflicted about mongering. I like mongering if I did not I would stop. I use to smoke Marijuana but I stopped cold turkey back in 02’ after smoking since I was 13. I have been drug free every since. You are not talking to some weak willed individual mayne.

But, I agree with BC on most points. I won't say that mongering has made me a better person but getting laid a lot makes me a better person. Sexually frustrated people are crabby and prone to blow-ups.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=3353

Fuck you, fuck your dog, fuck the horse you rode in on. You post all over the place and it is never about pussy. My guess is you've never had any.

LOL. You remember this? You blew up but yet you always remind of us of how close you live to “Privados.” I am sure I was in at work at this time riding around bullet-proof vest, armored vehicle no pussy in sight while you was in Argentina maybe but who kept their cool?

I can't speak to being a better lover from mongering, because I had the advantages of being seduced by an older, experienced woman and then being married to a sex freak who would try anything. But, in general I understand women 1000% better now after fucking five hundred of them (so I am up to 3% understanding).

I don’t understand women and maybe never will. In your own words they are neurotic and every woman has different wants and needs. I find it comical that you would make such a statement that “I understand women better.” Also I find that prostitutes mentally are very different from normal women.

One important point is that through mongering, I have gotten to know women from so many different cultures. That in and of itself provides a better understanding of human nature. Yes, you can get to know people from many cultures by traveling, but not in the same depth. Of course, in order to do this, you have to value your hookers as human beings and not just as semen receptacles, and some people on this board can't seem to do that.

Again I have learned more just by talking to different people than by buying a woman for sex. In a sexually charged environment who is really interested in a cultural background etc.

Yes there are lot of guys that can’t bring themselves to treat WGs as an equal this is what about the business that disturbs me especially when mongering is carried out in the uneducated third world.

If it weren't for mongering I would never have spent a week in the small town of Chachapoyas, Perú, in the Amazon district, living under local conditions. You could say that the same thing could have happened under regular dating circumstances, but in reality it would not have. If a woman from Chachapoyas would have come to Buenos Aires for some other reason, which she would not have, the chance of me ever getting to know her would be minuscule.

If it weren't for mongering I never would have spent six weeks in Medellín, living in an apartment like a local. I could go on and on. I tell people I am pursuing an imaginary self-directed PhD in Latin American Sociology. I probably won't bother to write the dissertation but the field work has been very interesting and broadening. While it hasn't directly made be a better person as far as I know, it's made me a more tolerant and more interesting and more humble person and I'd say those are all good things. .

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...8&postcount=16

I started mongering because of my job simple as that. I bought my first piece of pussy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from a 5’9” Russian sitting by herself in a bar. I was one of the first posters on the Uzbekistan/Tashkent thread. Would I have become a monger if not for my job? Probably not. So we are reversed. It seemed you traveled just to monger and met people along the way. I traveled because of work and mongered along the way.

But perhaps once Illogic has mongered for 37 years (if he chooses to continue to monger), he will have a different take on things. As BC says, "practice makes perfect."

I don’t know DH I think the longevity of having been a monger or the number of women under your belt is nothing to brag about. Maybe I will monger until I am in the grave. Or maybe I will just get tired of the game who knows?

"Its [sic] man’s job to school a woman in 'sexpertise.'" I think you'll find that historically, in most cultures, the opposite has been the case. But, I'd love to hear your attempt at a logical explanation of why this assertion might be true.

http://uk.askmen.com/love/love_tip_3..._love_tip.html

So you let a women lead you around the bedroom? LOL. Maybe you are into that Sadist dominatrix type shit

Sorry but I have found women to like a man to take charge in the bedroom at the same time being courteous. That’s why when I hear a lady say she can’t fuck or can’t kiss because some guy told her so I wonder why? I can see if it’s a one nighter but if you been around this women any length of time and she still can’t fuck then you need to take a look at yourself.

Could you please get some data or something to back up your statement? A pie graph or something I love pie graphs.

You know you're doing a good job in bed if the woman lubricates. If she floods the mattress you've done a GREAT job. It ain't exactly rocket science.

LOL. I have had girls soaking wet before I have even touched them. Some girls are just natural juice producers. Some are dry as a Afghani desert. Means nothing in most cases. Even DH just pointed this out to you.

It's also a good clue in non-pro situations if she follows you around like a lost puppy afterwards. If she changes her phone number after having sex with you it's a good sign she's not down for a repeat :P

I have had girls follow me around in PI even when I have not fucked them. Read my report from Feb PI Manila thread. LOL. Again means nothing.

As far as I'm concerned sex workers are among the smartest most teacious and FEARLESS people I know, people who aren't afraid to step outside the boundaries. Those are the kind of people I want in my sphere. Normal people seem like a waste of oxygen to me.

LOL. I guess soldiers and people who work in warzones for a living are cowards, dumb and a waste of oxygen.

Most sex workers I have encountered were plum stupid( had one girl ask me how could I be black and American) and I highly doubt if they were smart that would be in their profession of choice. The only intelligence they seem to show is scamming customers to pay a high price for the services

A sex worker is now a hero because they are not afraid to step outside the boundaries. LOL. People go against society norms all the time. The black guy who dyes his hair pink (Dennis Rodman) stepped out of the boundaries. Doesn’t make them no better or more courageous than anyone else. Everyone just chooses their own path bruh.

As for it being a man's job to "school" a woman, that my friends is pure male chauvinism.

On this forum I have been called a jewelry wearing braggart, a hypocrite, misogynistic, and now I am being accused of male chauvinism because I think man should school women in the arts of sex. Teach them what they like and ask them what they like. If this makes me a chauvinist then OK.