The Morality of Prostitution

[Piper1]

I will be in Dubai in next week.

Cool, I'll bring the camera to help you celebrate your post number 1,000.

[Piper1]

...this whole “prostitution is cool" shit is really old. I don't like to tell people how to live their life but your words “prostitution is awesome" is really disturbing especially coming from a female. ... I think you like abuse. Is this not a sickness?

Illogic my friend, you're being true to your username. Consensual sex between adults is not abuse.

(Forgive me if I have quoted you out of context, as I have not followed this debate - I just like popping in occasionally whenever I see your posts, and those of RN).

[Piper1]

Even though I consider myself a certified monger (many photos and reports over the last 4 years)

Grasshopper, three more posts brings you to the 1,000-mark. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to ensure post number 1,000 is a depraved photo-filled extravaganza.

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[Warbucks]

LOL. Because I love the fact that I got to experiment with different sexual activities in a safe, lawful and respectful environment?

This board goes in circles. Even though I consider myself a certified monger (many photos and reports over the last 4 years) this whole “prostitution is cool" shit is really old. I don't like to tell people how to live their life but your words “prostitution is awesome" is really disturbing especially coming from a female.

Your a first world woman with many a career opportunity but you throw your self to the lions and proclaim it to be great. I think you like abuse. Is this not a sickness? What I mean by the lions? I just posted a report in the Cebu thread about a guy who proudly proclaimed how he molested a group of unsuspecting Filipinas....(which in that country (I live there) a lot of women do not have a another way of making money but to open their legs mostly to foreigners they are hoping will marry and support them). Add to the fact a lot of them are dumb as a box of crayons.... recipe for disaster.

For you this is not the case......you remind me of drug dealers( had a lot of experience in that lifestyle) who say selling narcotics is great. “I am not working for minimal wage" etc...) and they rave on about all the benefits of being a drug dealer and don't try that well... selling drugs is illegal shit. So is prostitution in most countries it's just tolerated. As for prostitution being safe, one criminal type John or one broken condom.....well....

There have been guys robbed for thousands, assaulted, threatened in some establishments....just read these boards.

[Rubber Nursey]

RN Please see someone.

LOL. Because I love the fact that I got to experiment with different sexual activities in a safe, lawful and respectful environment?

[Rubber Nursey]

Is assembly line fucking and sadism wrong when it comes to dealing with Third World hookers and non-pros?

Assembly line fucking? It is what it is, for third world AND first world hookers. We like to make it FEEL like you're the only man in our lives, but the reality is that you're just one in a loooooong line. Any client who thinks otherwise is a fool.

I admit, I have a 'dirty wh*re' fetish and I totally loved to be treated like a piece of you-know-what by a client. But only by agreement. I don't much enjoy being physically hurt, but there are plenty of hookers who do and if they're able to set boundaries and they're getting paid for it ...what could possibly be 'bad' about it?

Sex work allows you to act in a way that you may not usually act in your private life. Women, especially, are often not 'allowed' to experiment with this sort of stuff. I got to try soooo many things in P4P that I may not have had the opportunity to try at home. Hooking is awesome.

[Bango Cheito]

I´ve never really done anything overly kinky during p4p. The kinkiest I have ever done was ATM. I have done MUCH raunchier shit with non-pros.

[Chocha Monger]

31 phone #s

26 made contact.

11 fucked, 2 threesomes.

5 nights at the Marriott's Executive Suite.

I shot 122 pictures (will post later) many porn-style; crawling on all 4 fours from dining room to living room to bed, foot on face (sickening/repugnant to me too) while doggie, fist in the mouth (it fit!) and other depraved acts.

Analized 2, both mothers. One MILF was oh, so charming it was very hard to follow my rule of fuck and kick-out quick. She was just oozing womanliness!

Game: invited them to the Executive Lounge where I encouraged them to feed their faces with the complimentary afternoon tea, hors d'oeuvres, dessert, cocktails and non-alcoholic beverages. If they hummed and hawed, I dropped them, some called back and agreed.

Next I headed to my suite with the mark, casually, not saying where we're going. A few were surprised when they reached the door. They paused and I just walked in. One chic had the door shut in her face, I made no attempt to hold it open, she knocked, I opened and before she could um/er, I said come-in. She did.

Next, I sat them down, sat next to them and went for a kiss, not looking in her eyes, not seeking validation. 3 freaked out, I kicked them out.

Next, my hands in their blouse. Most of them slid to the floor. I sat on the floor with them, too. Picked them up to the couch, started again. Paid no attention to their song and dance. Slightest resistance and kicked them out. Lost a few to that.

Next, spread their legs, carressed their pussies and licked them dry. Once I got them to point of spreading legs, it was a home-run, none backed out.

3 knew that we were going to fuck even before we met.

The threesumers also knew it was going to happen, but didn't think it was together; they figured 1 at a time, dumb chicks! Took some game to get them in the nude in the presence of the other. And the act sucked; I did all of the doing!

1 ladyboy offered to pimp his chic friends. I called, he sent, they were ugly and I just ignored them. They hung around in the lobby when there was no answer from my suite, looking lost and I sent them a message "get lost". They didn't get it, and my next message was "I'm out, will be back in 3 hours". That got rid of them.

Twice, I them kept waiting for 2 hours while I did my thing with the one I was doing.

Money: offered each one of them 1,500 pesos. Some took it and thanked me, some looked offended, some I guess they wanted more but said nothing, some refused (shy).

Sticky-icky: Told them that I would never see them again, bluntly. That didn't help at all. They were coming tomorrow, show me around, bring a friend to do it again, take me to the airport, wait for me outside.

Phone: I called, never answered, never texted. Lost a few to that deal, but it kept everything very simple.

Condoms: for all vaginal & anal penetration.

The last 3 days, I never stepped out of the Marriott.

Tomorrow, Kuala Lumpur. Indo hookers, most likely.

Is assembly line fucking and sadism wrong when it comes to dealing with Third World hookers and non-pros? On ISG, just as in offline society, there exists a segment of deviants and perverts. Some mongers need to commit sadistic acts, humiliate, shit and/or [CodeWord140] on their sex partners. Others want to score as many fuck points as possible within limited vacation time. Some mongers express indignation at such behavior but is it really unethical, or is it all fair game between consenting adults?

[Warbucks]

The only time I was stopped was in 1976 in Texas, my girl was stopped for carrying Hash in a toilet paper roll. Someone in Europe gave it to her and she forgot,because it was no big deal. I was let go, because they had nothing on me. I did not know what was in her suitcase.
So, Wake up if there is nothing in your bag, there is not any reason for anyone to stop you, unless YOU MOUTH OFF. So the F___ Shut UP!
About what you did away from Home. It is not any of their business, unless they need what we needed?

Be Polite! Smile and say Thank You. And Do Not say anything Else.
If you need more info let me know?

Yes I was being a bit arrogant at the time but rapper 50 Cent expressed my sentiment in this short rhyme he performed on the hit song “This Is How We Do.”

They say I'm no good
Cuz I'm so hood
Rich folks do not want me around
Cuz shit might pop off, and if shit pop off
Somebody gon' get laid the fuck out
They call me new money, say I have no class
I'm from the bottom, I came up too fast
The hell if I care, I'm just here to get my cash
Bougie ass bitches, you can kiss my ass ------50 Cent

Do you travel every three months? Just asking.

[World Travel 69]

The only time I was stopped was in 1976 in Texas, my girl was stopped for carrying Hash in a toilet paper roll. Someone in Europe gave it to her and she forgot,because it was no big deal. I was let go, because they had nothing on me. I did not know what was in her suitcase.
So, Wake up if there is nothing in your bag, there is not any reason for anyone to stop you, unless YOU MOUTH OFF. So the F___ Shut UP!
About what you did away from Home. It is not any of their business, unless they need what we needed?

Be Polite! Smile and say Thank You. And Do Not say anything Else.
If you need more info let me know?

Back in 06 I was jammed up at LAX coming from Tokyo. The lowly TSA worker saw the numerous stamps of different countries in my passport and asked “Does your job pay well.” I responded “If it did not I wouldn’t be able to travel like this now would I?” I am a young black guy TSA worker was a middle age white guy. You could instantly see the mood change in the whole situation. He went all through my luggage found hard copy photos of a non-nude freelancer from Thailand. Found my porn stash I forgot I had which he tried to make out to be child porn (Natural Asshole). Asked all type of personal questions like about the pictures of the freelance because I told him my ex-wife was waiting on me.

Then I asked to speak to a lawyer because they started to ask how I got my government job. They said “Why you need a lawyer you are not under arrest.” Finally after I answered their questions they let me go. Only damage wasted time and my pride because of the porn stash being found. Put I still get some pleasure out of seeing those fools pathetic response to me being young black with some expendable cash….

Just like rapper Mos Def said: “They say won’t you to be successful but that’s not the case your skin is dark you living large they shine a light in your face.”

[Chocha Monger]

Attempts to moralize sexual behavior, including prostitution, are part of a larger agenda on the part of state and religious bodies to control sex and reproduction among the masses. Monogamy was created to protect the ruling social classes from the disruptive effects of bastards. Bastards created challenges to the concept of birthright.

“Amongst the ‘respectable’ sort – soldiers, sailors, wh*res and so forth would form striking exceptions – sexual intercourse was permissible within marriage and where expectations of marriage had been created and signaled amongst courting couples. Upon pregnancy, marriage would then normally and ideally take place, and community sanctions were leveled against those who took or gave sex beyond the customary norms. In a tight-knit face-to-face community, the loose woman would lose her reputation and perhaps her chance of finding a marriage partner; and the man who brought bastards into the world would be forced to marry, or flee. The value of sex was inscribed within rules and norms, and it was subject to an exchange economy in which the ultimate regulator was the balance between production and reproduction in an age which did not possess reliable means of contraception and which did not systematically attempt its practice. Like other commodities, sex held its value because demand outstripped supply.
Reputation for virtue was valuable, particularly in a woman, and public pressures were applied to limit sexual activity. But it was also the business of the public to ensure that sufficient children were born for economic prosperity, or at least survival. Too many mouths to feed was an obvious disaster; too few, and shortages of labour, ratepayers, and soldiers would follow. And while a wailing chorus of moralists in the later years of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth condemned England as a nation of fornicators and harlots, there was equal concern amongst political arithmeticians about the decay of population, a lack of hands to the plough or sailors and soldiers for Her Majesty’s forces. As we shall see, there was no contradiction in complaining in a single breath about sexual license and about population decline, for sinful sex was widely assumed to be procreatively unproductive. Overall, the sexual life of the pre-Victorian lower orders still awaits proper research. Suffice to say that the early advice literature shows that individual sexual expression was routinely subordinated to the procreative strategies presupposed by wider moral and national agendas.” (Roy Porter, Lesley A. Hall, The facts of life, pp. 15-16)

[Meat Loaf]

Hi fellas',

I'm Meat Loaf in Nicaragua and I've noticed taht a lot of posters on this thread are also posting on Meat Loaf in Nicaragua. So I'm just saying hello and invite you to join in on my thread with similar topics of communicae.

Keep it up!

[VilunyaChert]

Hi, RN, I wanted to reprint the newspaper article below, and am mainly using something from your post just as a hook.

* Sex work is NOT inherently degrading/abusive/dehumanising/etc. As I've said many times in this forum, the most degrading and dehumanising thing about being a wh*re is listening to academics, feminazis, religious zealots and other armchair experts talk about us like we're something other than living, breathing human beings with hearts and minds of our own.

Two women vie, in the article below, for the "feminazi" label. On the other hand, the "moderator of the pastor's association" sounds very reasonable--not a fire-breathing Calvinist wowzer at all. And my impression from some quick Googling is that the "uproar" is pretty much a minority thing. By and large the Genevans are acting damned civilized, and good on them, I say.

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March 9, 2009
Swiss Uproar: Prostitute Buried Near John Calvin
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 3:27 p.m. ET

GENEVA (AP) -- A well-known prostitute who campaigned for the rights and dignity of sex workers was given an honored place of rest on Monday, in the same cemetery where Protestantism's John Calvin is buried, and some women activists criticized the decision.

Griselidis Real, who died in 2005, was buried in the presence of 200 people at the Cemetery of the Kings, which is reserved for individuals that have profoundly marked Swiss or international history. Argentinian writer Jose Luis Borges and child psychologist Jean Piaget are among the luminaries interred there.

The body of Real, who was 76 when she died only 10 years after she is said to have given up prostitution, was exhumed from another cemetery in Geneva for the ceremony that some -- particularly women -- have called offensive.

''If every woman that had children to raise alone turned to prostitution, the city of Geneva would be a bordello,'' said Amelia Christinat, a feminist and former member of the Swiss parliament who opposed Real's reburial.

Jacqueline Berenstein-Wavre, the first woman to head Geneva's parliament, also objected.

''No woman should rejoice at this transfer, which is nothing but the elevation of a prostitute and of prostitution in general by its male protectors,'' she told the daily Tribune de Geneve, which noted the scarcity of women buried in the honored ground, less than a quarter of the 350 graves.

Prostitution is generally legal in Switzerland, with red light districts in some cities. But Real worked for years to improve working conditions.

She helped found Aspasie, an association which describes itself as promoting solidarity with sex workers. Aspasie says she compiled a massive collection of newspaper clippings, films and other documentation about prostitution over 30 years and that her four children donated the database to the association on her death.

Geneva's Protestant Church has been reserved in its criticism about the reburial, even though the former fighter for prostitutes' rights now rests near one of the central figures in the history of Christianity.

The city once known as the ''Protestant Rome'' is honoring Calvin's 500th birthday this year with publications, exhibitions and performances. The celebrations, however, have been somewhat muted, perhaps in deference to the 16th-century theologian's stern views on life and excess.

The cemetery is ''not a sacred place,'' Roland Benz, moderator of Geneva's association of pastors, was quoted by the Ecumenical News International as saying.

Real was born in 1929 in Lausanne. A divorced mother of four children, she began working as a prostitute in Germany in the 1960s and later moved to Geneva, becoming a leading campaigner for prostitutes' rights.

In her autobiographical books ''Black is a color'' and ''Dance card of a courtesan'' she denounced the hypocrisy of a society that condemns prostitutes while using their services.

Patrice Mugny, a local politician who championed the transfer, said the city was ''in no case apologizing for prostitution, but honoring an individual who distinguished herself by battling for human dignity.''

''This shows that human dignity is not a question of social status, that it is not limited by moral prescriptions,'' he said at the ceremony.

Ruth Morgan Thomas, a leading European campaigner for prostitutes, said the burial was an important recognition for sex workers ''who demand simply to be treated without discrimination and valued as an integral part of society.''

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Associated Press writer Bradley S. Klapper contributed to this report.

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Be careful with those Klappers!

VC

[Warbucks]

However, I expect there are many here who would monger regardless of home comforts,
and maybe I would too. I would be interested in hearing their points of view.

My ole lady cooks, cleans, is attractive and is the perfect companion. I still monger and chase square women. I like "strange" pussy every once in a while. Not something I am proud of but a fact....

[Bango Cheito]

As far as I'm concerned I do and always will crave the variety. I just don't think monogamy is very natural. Maybe it is for some but not for me.