The Morality of Prostitution

[Rubber Nursey]

Be careful with RN - she's a coy minx - her wordsmithing a siren song.

Coy? Moi??? LOL Can't say I've ever been accused of that before.

[Jelly Donut]

Rn,

I actually agree with you. I'm just not sure I'm going to do it. I have about 6 days to decide and will be seeing her at least twice before then..

Red -

Be careful with RN - she's a coy minx - her wordsmithing a siren song.

Honesty is not always in your best interest. You have a biological imperative to screw as many women as possible. Remember human beings were f*cking long before they invented religion, morality or language.

But since you seem so enthusiastic about honesty - you should invite this girl along with you. If she turns you down, and odds are she will, at least you will have been honest about who you are and what you desire. If she accepts, you'll have the foundation for an honest relationship, the prospect of a lifelong partner who has real insight into, and acceptance of, your totality...and you have the freedom to chase exotic new tail.

I know sounds a bit strange, but I'm convinced this is the only way round your dilemma. Not going on the trip simply puts off dealing with the issues in play here. And this the only way you can keep yourself honest and get everything you desire.

For extra points. Ask her on Valentine's Day.


JD - manifesting himself as a little devil on your left shoulder

[Rubber Nursey]

I appreciate your perspective and the sharing of it.

My opinion is only my opinion. Nobody here can tell you what's right for YOU. If you go and then this new relationship ends up working out, you may find yourself ravaged by guilt. If you don't go, you may end up kicking yourself for not taking the opportunity while you had it. It's up to you to decide which is the lesser of two evils. But I will leave you with one observation and one piece of advice.

You would not have posted on this thread if there wasn't some aspect of this decision that bothers you. Either you really like this girl and you know in your heart that it's the wrong thing to do, or you really want to go on this trip and you're looking for validation/confirmation that it's ok to go ahead and do it. Only you know which of those is closest to the truth.

And if you do end up going, please use protection (especially if your new girl is under the impression that you're being faithful).

[Rubber Nursey]

And just to let you know, a very close friend who just got back told me she used to think older guys were gross, but after working in sex she has a whole new respect for the older guys who are REALLY good in bed. So there :P

There are only three choices when it comes to clients you're not physically attracted to - refuse to see them (not good for business), lay back and think of England (not good for repeat business), or find something about them that appeals to you. After working for only a short while, I could find something genuinely attractive about every single person that walked in the door. I think that's something more people should do in their everyday lives. By sticking to only one 'type', you're really limiting opportunities to broaden your sexual horizons. Anyone seen the movie 'Yes Man'? The granny blowjob scene is a case in point! LOL

[Redfield10]

Georgie,

I've already decided I'm going. I don't entirely use a "linear" model to arrive at final decisions. I employ people who have those lower level, "linear" skills because they are good at lower level tasks.

When I make higher level decisions, I use a more wholistic approach (which I'd be happy to explain to you sometime if I thought you had the capacity to understand it).

Have a nice day.

I see someone has taken, and passed with an "A+", a course on decision analysis or managerial accounting, and thereby has injected logic and reason into this discussion!!!!

In stark contrast, we also see the confused, muddled, and rambling thought process of the decision maker in this situation.

If there was ever soap-opera material ...

[George90]

You won't "lose $1300 if you don't go." You have already spent $1300 regardless of whether you go or not. The $1300 is a sunk cost that can never be recovered so it should be irrelevant to your decision of whether to go or not.

I see someone has taken, and passed with an "A+", a course on decision analysis or managerial accounting, and thereby has injected logic and reason into this discussion!!!!

In stark contrast, we also see the confused, muddled, and rambling thought process of the decision maker in this situation.

If there was ever soap-opera material ...

[Redfield10]

Then let's just say there's $1300 I cannot recover.

However, even you must understand that when the money you spend to purchase something is non- refundable, it's generally more satisfying to consume what you purchased than to not consume it.

You won't "lose $1300 if you don't go." You have already spent $1300 regardless of whether you go or not. The $1300 is a sunk cost that can never be recovered so it should be irrelevant to your decision of whether to go or not.

[Dickhead]

You won't "lose $1300 if you don't go." You have already spent $1300 regardless of whether you go or not. The $1300 is a sunk cost that can never be recovered so it should be irrelevant to your decision of whether to go or not.

[Redfield10]

Rn,

I actually agree with you. I'm just not sure I'm going to do it. I have about 6 days to decide and will be seeing her at least twice before then. Also, I haven't told her she can't see anyone. She just told me she doesn't want to. Of course, I'm rationalizing, but I do think that because I'm unsure about her and because I'd lose $1300 if I didn't go and because I've only known her for 25 days, that the moral dynamics are a bit more complicated than a regular truth or lie thing. But maybe not.

I appreciate your perspective and the sharing of it.

I only told him to tell her the truth if he DIDN'T want to continue the relationship...and even then, I wasn't entirely serious. I was really only challenging him to consider whether or not he could give her the same freedoms that he was expecting. A lot of guys have criticised this woman for demanding fidelity after only two weeks, but at least she's being upfront and honest about what she wants. What many here have suggested - leading her to believe she's in a secure relationship, so that she 'waits' for him while he's off banging others - is just a sneaky, gutless way of demanding exactly the same thing.

Personally, if I was Redfield's girl, I would rather know exactly where I stand. Actually, I've been in exactly that position before and I respect my man for being up front with me about it. In infidelity, it's not the sex that hurts the most - it's the dishonesty and disrespect. You can get over the physical aspects of being cheated on, but it's very hard to regain lost trust.

[Rubber Nursey]

RN - in an ideal world, your advice is good. In the real world, you know it's totally unrealistic.

Redfield - my advice: Do not tell your girl the truth. If you do, your new 2 week relationship will be over in 2 minutes. Cancel the Philippines trip (due to "The Economic Crisis" of course), and enjoy your new relationship and the compulsory sex while it lasts. If it doesn't last, re-book your Phils trip ASAP.

I only told him to tell her the truth if he DIDN'T want to continue the relationship...and even then, I wasn't entirely serious. I was really only challenging him to consider whether or not he could give her the same freedoms that he was expecting. A lot of guys have criticised this woman for demanding fidelity after only two weeks, but at least she's being upfront and honest about what she wants. What many here have suggested - leading her to believe she's in a secure relationship, so that she 'waits' for him while he's off banging others - is just a sneaky, gutless way of demanding exactly the same thing.

Personally, if I was Redfield's girl, I would rather know exactly where I stand. Actually, I've been in exactly that position before and I respect my man for being up front with me about it. In infidelity, it's not the sex that hurts the most - it's the dishonesty and disrespect. You can get over the physical aspects of being cheated on, but it's very hard to regain lost trust.

[Bango Cheito]

I will refrain from commenting on that particular situation as I don't think I have enough information....

Somebody please tell me something though, why is it we think there is something WRONG with people if they are into kinky sex, like slapping each other around, pissing, whatever.... I personally think people are fucked up if they are NOT into these things, I think there must be something repressing them preventing them from enjoying sex FULLY... but hey, to each his own. I just think that that's a really fucked up assumption to make, that "there must be something wrong with you" if you like rough or kinky sex. And not just fucked up, but totally unfounded.

I can also say from very direct personal experience, that RN is RIGHT ON THE MONEY with her observation. There are TONS of girls here in Colombia who have ZERO compunction moral or otherwise about going to other countries and working in sex, but they would NEVER want to do it anywhere they might get recognized, because of what people might say. I personally long for the day when nobody gives a flying fuck about that anymore. These girls need to realize they aren't less of a person just because of what a bunch of small-minded people think!

And just to let you know, a very close friend who just got back told me she used to think older guys were gross, but after working in sex she has a whole new respect for the older guys who are REALLY good in bed. So there :P

[Redfield10]

It's ok, Louie. I wanted everyone's opinions! And I appreciate each and every one.

Happy hunting, guys.

Is enough, gentlemen. Poor guys is confused enough already, lets give him a break. Red, you will do what is right for you and for you only. No one here should tell you what you should do and thats that!

When you look back in life, things always happen for a reason.

[Gentleman Travel]

It's true, I shouldn't start out the relationship with a lie. (telling her I didn't see anyone in the PI. If indeed I do).
But if I return and we hit it off and continue our relationship, I won't be mongering anytime soon.

Don't say "if I do see anyone in PI" - fuck your brains out while you are there!
It may be your last chance to party like that for a while, if this relationship works out. I made that mistake when I went on a pre-planned sailing trip in Hawaii shortly after meeting my wife. This was well before my mongering days, but even so I had a chance with a couple of nice looking women, but I let the opportunities slip by as I sat there writing "I miss you" postcards to my new girlfriend back home. I have regretted it for 20 years!

[Mmlouie]

Thanks for the advice folks. I still have about 8 days to make up my mind and it isn't made up yet. I should correct myself. I've now known her for 23 days. 5 dates. Slept together now three times. Very nice. We do hit if off, but, of course, the first few weeks and months are always easiest.

Red

Is enough, gentlemen. Poor guys is confused enough already, lets give him a break. Red, you will do what is right for you and for you only. No one here should tell you what you should do and thats that!

When you look back in life, things always happen for a reason.

[Redfield10]

Thanks for the advice folks. I still have about 8 days to make up my mind and it isn't made up yet. I should correct myself. I've now known her for 23 days. 5 dates. Slept together now three times. Very nice. We do hit if off, but, of course, the first few weeks and months are always easiest. No glaring "dealbreakers" obvious. So that's the deal.

RN, she's not the kind of woman who is going to go out and screw as many guys as she can if she has the freedom.

If I cancel the trip, I'm out about $1300. If I tell her I'm going to go to the Phils and will undoubtedly have sex with women, she'll drop me, I'm sure.

It's true, I shouldn't start out the relationship with a lie. (telling her I didn't see anyone in the PI, if indeed I do). But if I return and we hit it off and continue our relationship, I won't be mongering anytime soon.

I understand that she should have the same right as me. But I'm not sure it's worth cancelling my trip over someone I like a lot. And she maybe even be "the one". But it's certainly too early to tell.

And as far as getting some "balls". I have 'them. I am probably just a little more considerate than some of you who are criticizing me for not just saying "who cares about what she thinks? " and go anyway. But I do understand and respect how you feel about what I should do. It's perfectly understandable.

Red

Redfield,

If you think there's a chance that she may be 'The One', DO NOT start out by lying to her. Don't stuff it up before it begins. If you believe this relationship has possibilities for a future, cancel your trip and see where it leads (you can always go another time, if things don't work out).

If you're unsure about the relationship and/or don't want to feel committed to someone after only two weeks....I challenge you to tell her the TRUTH and give her the same opportunity that you are asking for. You have no right to ask her to 'wait' for you, while you run off to have sex with countless other women. Tell her that you intend to see other people in the Phils and that she should feel free to sleep with other men while you're away. If you CAN'T give her those same freedoms, then you, too, are expecting fidelity after only two weeks.