Thread: The Morality of Prostitution
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02-09-09 02:33 #3502
Posts: 724To monger or not to monger? That is the question.
Well, quite a diversity of advice. Here is my take.
I agree mostly with Piper, but think you do have some other options...
Option 1: A real GFE
You have the possibility of real freebie GFE - go for it!
Put off the Phillipino experience for another day.
But so long as you have the Phillipino option in your back pocket (or front zippered one, as the case may be) you can stay in control of the relationship. If you are not getting what you want from the girl, then you know where and how to get it! That is the beauty of mongering, other than the splendid sexual gratification - it is knowing that another world and path in life exists for you - you are not trapped in sex prision USA (or wherever).
Use this to your advantage. Demand (sweetly and romantically) great sex including luxurious blowjobs - or whatever turns your crank. Most guys are afraid to be sexually aggressive, and everyone suffers for it - because many women (not all) respond to the demanding, confident, manly approach.
Make hay while the sun shines out of her pussy.
Option 2: Have your dessert and eat her too
"Darling, I wish I had met you before I made non-refundable travel plans. It will be torture to be away from you(r sweet pussy) for so long! But it has been my lifelong passion - before I met you - to study Early Buddist Temple Architecture (or the spiny green tree frog, or whatever other interests you can fake) and this is my chance to fulfill that dream. Next time we will go to Paris (or Vegas or Tuscany) together for a truly romantic experience."
Millions of tourists go to south east Asia for reasons other than sex tourism. Chances are she does not even have a clue about that. I know my wife has no clue about this stuff! Tell her you are going to be exploring rain forests or coral reefs, or whatever the hell the Phillipines has other than cheap pussy.
Make sure she gives you a good send-off and welcome-back sex party.
It is the least she should do to satisfy and keep her man faithful!
If she doesn't then she is too stupid and hopeless to worry about.
If you are not a good liar, and you think you are not, then you need to simplify and internalize your story. Simplify by not telling any unnecessary lies - focus on telling her true things that she can hear - how long your flight was, your hotel was a dump, but the beaches were great, the food wierd, whatever. Send her a postcard every day (while recharging your batteries) and bring her an armload of cheap souvenirs and give her a half-hour travelogue and dozens of clean photos on your return and she will be bored stiff of your travels without even probing into the prospect of bikini-clad girls on the beaches or in sleazy bars.
The internalizing part is to actually do some of these things - visit temples or markets or Imelda Marcos' shoe collection or whatever tourist attractions blight your particular locale and tell her all about them, in excruciatingly dull detail. The best liars are bores.
Option 3: Honesty is the worst policy
Whoever told you to lay it all on the line and tell her to take it or leave it lives in a different world than the one I do. And maybe that is your world - you are a lot younger than I am and probably in a different sphere of life.
Maybe you can do that while casually dating at college, but most women would draw the line at sharing your affections and sexual favours with pox-ridden wh*res in brothels in Manilla.
No woman I know would stand for that approach - which is fine if you are trying to drive away "nice girls". But if you like the idea of a steady, lovely girlfriend then you will have to be a liar or at least a hypocrite. Get used to it. Hypocrisy and white lies are vastly underrated qualities in life.
However, backstopping any of these options is the knowledge that, as a monger, YOU DO NOT DEPEND ON HER FOR SEX. You can get it in the Phillipines or from the phone book any time you want! That gives you the confidence to demand what you need and cut bait if you are not getting it. That is the key to happiness (or at least sexual satisfaction) for not only will you be prepared to gamble (and often win) but your confidence and assertiveness will dramatically increase your chances of success.
So decide your best strategy and pursue it with confidence and determination.
Good luck!
GT
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02-08-09 21:53 #3501
Posts: 20I'm inclined to agree with Chocha Monger
Fourteen days and she's already showing her stones. It's only going to get worse this is not someone I would want to settle down with. That being said obviously you're enjoying her sex so I would tear that thing up until the plane left! Deal with whatever when you get back.
Happy Hunting
AJ
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02-08-09 21:49 #3500
Posts: 4050RN - in an ideal world, your advice is good. In the real world, you know it's totally unrealistic.
Redfield - my advice: Do not tell your girl the truth. If you do, your new 2 week relationship will be over in 2 minutes. Cancel the Philippines trip (due to "The Economic Crisis" of course), and enjoy your new relationship and the compulsory sex while it lasts. If it doesn't last, re-book your Phils trip ASAP.
My invoice is in the mail.
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02-08-09 21:41 #3499
Posts: 3851Originally Posted by Redfield10
These other guys are giving you good advice. She should be banging as many men as you *hopefully will be women. If you two connect when you get back then you know it's for real. IMHO you are in the driver's seat. Steer the car in your direction but look out for the bumps in the road !
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02-08-09 21:37 #3498
Posts: 3359This is the "Morality of Prostitution" thread. The "How to Act Like a Complete Pussy" thread is somewhere else.
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02-08-09 19:33 #3497
Posts: 1178In my own experiences, with "regular" girls and long-time prostitutes, I am sure about women's behaviour, they stop cheating gentlemen's feeling only when, one day, they hear the alert "game over" and, at that time, they are worn up in every part of their mind and body Unfortunately, there are no women like our mothers or our grandmothers anymore.
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02-08-09 09:32 #3496
Posts: 1345Redfield,
If you think there's a chance that she may be 'The One', DO NOT start out by lying to her. Don't stuff it up before it begins. If you believe this relationship has possibilities for a future, cancel your trip and see where it leads (you can always go another time, if things don't work out).
If you're unsure about the relationship and/or don't want to feel committed to someone after only two weeks....I challenge you to tell her the TRUTH and give her the same opportunity that you are asking for. You have no right to ask her to 'wait' for you, while you run off to have sex with countless other women. Tell her that you intend to see other people in the Phils and that she should feel free to sleep with other men while you're away. If you CAN'T give her those same freedoms, then you, too, are expecting fidelity after only two weeks.
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02-08-09 03:52 #3495
Posts: 2656Red,
Do you really believe that this woman has a right to know about your hobbies simply because you had sex with her several times in two weeks? I'd be willing to bet that you are not the only one taking liberties with her. Come on man grow some stones! It has been only two weeks, 14 days, and she is already laying down the law on access to her pussy. You should be outraged that she even had that conversation with you. Go on your trip and have as much fresh pussy as you can handle. It'll help you grow some big strong stones. If that woman really likes you she'll still give you some ass when you get back. I'm warning you, if you let her start ruling you with her pussy it's not going to stop there. Based on what you wrote I'd say that your relationship wouldn't last in any case. Claim your freedom and go. You're not married. This woman is almost a one night stand Red. Think about it then pack your bags.
Originally Posted by Redfield10
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02-08-09 02:38 #3494
Posts: 353Originally Posted by Redfield10
Listen to your heart, what does it say? Follow your own gut feeling.
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02-07-09 21:26 #3493
Posts: 454Really?
Really? And what would that be?
QUOTE=Mmlouie]I think that you already have your answer to your own question within yourself. are just trying get other to justify the answer? stop taking the easy way out, you cannot have the cake and eat it too.
There are always consequences to everything that we do in life, as long as you understand the score and can live with the consequences. Just one person humble opinion.
Best of luck to you but I know what I would do if I was in your shoe.[/QUOTE]
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02-07-09 20:44 #3492
Posts: 881Originally Posted by Redfield10
You have been together for only 2 weeks and already she is giving you ultimati and ordering you about on what you can and cannot do on your free time and with your money. And what did she say the basis of this control over you was? You had sex with her therefore she OWNS you??!!??!!??
That woman has given you a crystal clear view of what married life will be like with her.
My advice is to tell her that you plan on (safe) mongering to your heart's content in PI. You are not married nor engaged, you do not have any long-term committments to each other, and therefore you have no such obligations to her. If she likes you for your values and company then she should so state and offer a comittment on mutual terms. If she is not yet prepared to offer a committment on mutual terms, then you do whatever you like until that time. If she walks then she walks. Frankly, you will be better off for it.
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02-06-09 22:11 #3491
Posts: 353Originally Posted by Redfield10
There are always consequences to everything that we do in life, as long as you understand the score and can live with the consequences. Just one person humble opinion.
Best of luck to you but I know what I would do if I was in your shoe.
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02-06-09 19:59 #3490
Posts: 454Thanks....
Thanks for the opinion. I've only known her for two weeks. And have another week to decide.
You make excellent points, though.
I hadn't run into this before because I hadn't met someone I thought there was a chance for a Long term relationship with but I can't ignore the feelings so far.
Originally Posted by Nmcoz
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02-06-09 15:49 #3489
Posts: 45Only You Possess the Answer............
Red,
Math is pretty simple here in my mind. If your goal is a long-lasting relationship with one person, and you think she might be the ONE, you cancel. How would you like it if she said she was going to Chippendale Island (fictitious of course) for two weeks...........and we all know what happens on Chippendale Island? Now you might say......"fine by me." But she doesn't sound like the "open relationship" type based on what you've said.
Conversely, if you're still into the hobby and don't want to give it up, it's time to "cut bait" with her.
Remember, this is the morality page. And if you really do like her like you've stated, then it's the right thing to do for HER!
Sorry if this is not what you wanted to here, but........ Just one man's opinion.
Dr. Phil (who I think is a d-bag by the way!)
P.S. Cancel for work reasons if this is the direction you take. And good luck!
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02-06-09 01:07 #3488
Posts: 454Dilemma
Hi,
I am going to the Phils in two weeks for 10 days and planned mongering. However I met this woman locally in San Fran area I really like. Just known her two weeks but seen her 5 times and we really hit it off and lIke each other. Of course she would wonder where I'd disappeared to in two weeks so said I was travelling to the Phils. She told me not to lie and since we'd had sex several times already she had a right to know if I had sex with a girl while I was there.
I can see her point but she said if I did she'd end our relationship. And she expected me to tell the truth.
I'm torn. I'm still going, but should I just see women and lie and hope I'm a goodliar? (I'm not). Or should I just up and be a good boy. If I cancel, she will probably know for sure I was going for the girls.
Any advice?