The Truth about AIDS

[Clandestine782]

http://www.thailandguru.com/health-hiv.html

[The Corn Hole]

I'm being directed down the same road as you guys on this subject. I'm not even going to dwell on Africa because I think that is a completely different situation compared to the lifestyles of all of us. I think it's interesting how the sections in Africa that have been hit hardest by HIV epidemic are all coincidently impoverished.

The turning point for me was the recent news of former pro boxer Tommy Morrison who tested HIV + a decade ago now all of a sudden is HIV -. I have heard these stories many times over. Hundreds of cases in Africa where someone who was unhealthy tested positive and later tested negative when their health underwent a significant improvement. Think it shakes the whole foundation of the HIV/Aids theory to put it bluntly. I'm not even sure this test means all that much anymore.

[Starchild2012]

Dude..You rock..You hit the nail in the head nay A8ss..

These disease thing is a big fraud..there is some truth in it..but they high jack and portray as the biggest sickness on human kind.

More people even today die from Maleria than aids..guess what malerial tabs..cost pennies and they ain;t highlighted..hiv tabs cost in dollars and they just need more hype to pump out more money.

Dear Gentlemen,

It is safe to say that most of us on this board are no doctors, politicians, researchers, missionaries or other dirt that draw their income from induced mass-public hype and live comfortably on the proceedings, breeding and feeding families while also reaping great public respect from misleading them (or just being plain stupid?).

Many have already realized their mistakes, however once in it, getting out of the rat-race is nearly impossible


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Our little voices
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We reap no greater benefits than some company, conversation and maybe sharing a piece of our opinion with others like us. Our voice is little and dwarfed by public propaganda to the contrary.

Our opinions bring no profits to us, unlike some opinions that are "main stream".(Also note, thankfully there are not many women on this board, so we can be rather frank.)


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Is it Important?
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While we discuss here issues regarding "bacterias, HIV virus and the like", shouldn't we also ask: Do these have the importance that they are supposed to have?


As stated in a previous article, the writer seriously doubts the mainstream "authorities" about these as well as about other related current issues.

A report has been posted in the "opinions" section. It would be too long to reproduce here, so below is a link. I think it explains everything there is to know about "aids" .



http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=5108

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=5108


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Lower Case
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(Let's write it all lower case because that's what it deserves. And so for "hiv". All HIGHER CASE is just part of the propaganda. It looks more scary that way, so pays better. Why is STOMACH CANCER always spelled low case? It is also supposed to be a nasty one. Allright, I know it is abbreviation, but still it has a point.)

[That Asshole]

Dear Gentlemen,

It is safe to say that most of us on this board are no doctors, politicians, researchers, missionaries or other dirt that draw their income from induced mass-public hype and live comfortably on the proceedings, breeding and feeding families while also reaping great public respect from misleading them (or just being plain stupid?).

Many have already realized their mistakes, however once in it, getting out of the rat-race is nearly impossible


*********************
Our little voices
*********************
We reap no greater benefits than some company, conversation and maybe sharing a piece of our opinion with others like us. Our voice is little and dwarfed by public propaganda to the contrary.

Our opinions bring no profits to us, unlike some opinions that are "main stream".(Also note, thankfully there are not many women on this board, so we can be rather frank.)


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Is it Important?
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While we discuss here issues regarding "bacterias, HIV virus and the like", shouldn't we also ask: Do these have the importance that they are supposed to have?


As stated in a previous article, the writer seriously doubts the mainstream "authorities" about these as well as about other related current issues.

A report has been posted in the "opinions" section. It would be too long to reproduce here, so below is a link. I think it explains everything there is to know about "aids" .



http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=5108

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=5108


******************
Lower Case
******************
(Let's write it all lower case because that's what it deserves. And so for "hiv". All HIGHER CASE is just part of the propaganda. It looks more scary that way, so pays better. Why is STOMACH CANCER always spelled low case? It is also supposed to be a nasty one. Allright, I know it is abbreviation, but still it has a point.)

[Billy Ibrox]

My question, does anybody know of a certified heterosexual male who is HIV +?

The Corn Hole, That is a good question.

Yes, I know several guys who have/had AIDS (RIP). All of them claim they got it from smack but one of them, an under sized runt, did do time in the States and I would not be surprised if some big Black dudes did a number on him. No telling now as he is dead. Even though he made no secret of his HIV status, loads of ladies wanted him to fuck them, as we was charismatic and a character. I don't think he used condoms.

Lots of Africans and Indians have it and they most of them must be straight.

I am checking out the Pattaya thread and Evil Penivel says lots of Eden customers like to be dildo fucked, gayboys coming out of the closet no doubt. There must also be a lot of overlap with Boyztown, lots of AC/DCs in other words. I would also imagine there is a lot of denial. Most guys going to Thailand probably tell their friends they are going golfing. Few would say they are going to be butt fucked in Boyztown.

With both the smack and bnutt fuck brigade, hepatitis C is also very common so you can never be too careful.

A lot comes down to following the money trail. Providers want you to keep fucking regardless. The Aids industry want you to keep them in jobs. I imagine plenty of Thai hookers have Aids but they can't tell as they need to fuck on.

Some guys will tell you not to worry. But if you get Aids, they won't pay your bills.

If you are fucking around, you have to be lucky every time. The HIV virus only has to be lucky once.

[Hk Dog]

I do know some Thai working girls (and these are higher end girls) who have HIV.

One was diagnosed after she gave birth and her kid died.

They must of gotten it from somebody and maybe even given it to some unlucky customer.

[The Corn Hole]

I feel this threat of HIV/Aids (or whatever you want to call it) to the heterosexual population is and always was way overblown. We were all told throughout the 80's and 90's that this could become an epidemic. That you should always use a condom or you will die. I know alot of people who engage in risky sex practices and I'm sure many others here do also. I have a couple of friends who make me seem like a lightweight by comparison when it comes to extreme promiscuity. One is very indiscriminate about who he nails without a rubber. They get blood tested often and the results are always HIV-. I myself have gone bareback with a number of Pro's and nons. I get tested often as well and the results are the same. Everyone I've talked to in other countries who monger all say they are negative and know of nobody who is positive. I do not know of anybody who has this virus myself. I do not know of anybody who knows somebody who has it.

My question, does anybody know of a certified heterosexual male who is
HIV +?

[Hk Dog]

Another person who thinks he has a Phd in virology by googling the internet.

Do you actually know anybody who has Aids?

My friends brother has it and he too googled the internet and came to the same conclusion as you. He decided to take himself off the cocktail of drugs since it wasn't a virus so the anti virals are no use.

Needless to say he almost died in a few months before people forced him to take the anti virals again and luckily he is still alive 10 yrs later.

If its not a virus then why do the anti viral's work , Mr Phd of Google University?

[HeadGames]

In case you haven't noticed, all your citations are quite old, most of them before 1995

There's a reason for that; by about 1990, as HIV/AIDS approached its 10th anniversary, the observed epidemiology made it apparent that there had to be something really wrong about the hypothesis presented as fact by the CDC, whereas no new information had been presented to support it in years. Lots of money had been spent, and continues to be spent, in a vain search for a vaccine to a virus which supposedly exists in such small quantities in the body it cannot be observed, but yet destroys the immune system (and that, under rather bizarre circumstances). So the period 1990 through 1995 (very roughly) was a rich period in which some people began researching and telling the other side of the story.

For a while Africa was kind of the savior to the HIV/AIDS establishment, because they could say that what they had predicted would occur here, but never did, is in fact occurring "over there". But the only thing going on in Africa is the same thing that's been going on for as long as anybody can remember, people dying of malaria, parasites from dirty water, malnutrition, etc. Is there something different biologically about Africans? All I've heard for years is that the difference is only skin color, and that is superficial. Strange the virus should behave so differently with them than it does with us.

Remember Kaposi's Sarcoma? It was practically the defining disease (of the almost 30 that CDC claims makes up AIDS) in the beginning. Whoops -- only people who abused nitrite inhalants got that one. Should have been a clue, but by the time cooler heads realized the signficance of this, the virus had been invented, and the money was flowing.

HIV/AIDS is a billion dollar business, and will continue to be for several more years, until finally it's apparent to even the dimmist that it's ridiculous. But even then, perhaps it will linger on, like farm subsidies.

The only people with rocks in their head are the people, on this forum and in so many others on the Internet, who don't know what they are talking about but are oh so quick to attack other posters because the information conflicts with what they have been told already, whether by their parents, the church, or their government. At one time people believed the Earth was the center of the universe. Thank god someone had the balls to stand up and say it wasn't true.

[McJohn]

Sloth,

In case you haven't noticed, all your citations are quite old, most of them before 1995. Around 1995, highly active antiretroviral therapy was introduced which dramatically improved prognosis of HIV and AIDS patients. These new drugs all build on the HIV-AIDS theory you think the jury is still out for.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the weird ideas some people have about HIV/AIDS. My only problem is if they use it as an excuse for their barebacking.

[BobMoon001]

Who ever argue that HIV does'nt cause AIDS should inject HIV virus into them selves to see if HIV can cause AIDS or not.

[Charles Dupont]

Yeah, Kary Mullis (nobel laureate), Serge Lange (Yale math prof), and Duesberg (NAS member) have rocks in their heads. If you go by the 'judge a theory by the accuracy of its predictions' credo the hiv/aids hypothesis is just crap. Pay attention, look at the predictions, read some studies. Funny how the epidemic has confined itself to impoverished Africans and fast-track gays but not spread to the general population as predicted - ummm, what could they possible have in common?

CKD

PS: Don't take this as advice for unprotected sex - aids isn't the only STD to be had.

[Buzz00]

Pete,

The guys here that come up with this shite have got rocks in their head, surely you realise this.

Obviously they are trying to fool themselves into a false sense of security or are plain living in a dream world.

Maybe someone can organise a trip for them to visit one the Thai hospices that
look after people about to die from AIDS.

[Petemcc]

2006/2007. We know more now. Many of the sources quoted in the last post are shite and quoted by someone who obviously never studied biology. Look at the history of the HTLV viruses for example.
Any fuck head can find an expert to say that 2 + 3 isn't 4, but there are many more who can prove it is.
Tell you what mate, go to Africa and fuck a few girls who have HIV and see if you get it, or maybe a conspiracy theorist will inject you when you are asleep.
Please, get a life.

[Sloth]

dr. kary mullis, biochemist, 1993 nobel prize for chemistry:
"if there is evidence that hiv causes aids, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. there is no such document." (sunday times (london) 28 nov. 1993)


dr. heinz ludwig sänger, emeritus professor of molecular biology and virology, max-planck-institutes for biochemy, münchen. robert koch award 1978:
"up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of hiv. not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." (letter to süddeutsche zeitung 2000)


dr. serge lang, professor of mathematics, yale university:
"i do not regard the causal relationship between hiv and any disease as settled. i have seen considerable evidence that highly improper statistics concerning hiv and aids have been passed off as science, and that top members of the scientific establishment have carelessly, if not irresponsible, joined the media in spreading misinformation about the nature of aids." (yale scientific, fall 1994)


dr. harry rubin, professor of molecular and cell biology, university of california at berkeley:
"it is not proven that aids is caused by hiv infection, nor is it proven that it plays no role whatever in the syndrome." (sunday times (london) 3 april 1994)


dr. richard strohman, emeritus professor of cell biology at the university of california at berkeley:
"in the old days it was required that a scientist address the possibilities of proving his hypothesis wrong as well as right. now there's none of that in standard hiv-aids program with all its billions of dollars." (penthouse april 1994)


dr. harvey bialy, molecular biologist, former editor of bio/technology and nature biotechnology:
"hiv is an ordinary retrovirus. there is nothing about this virus that is unique. everything that is discovered about hiv has an analogue in other retroviruses that don't cause aids. hiv only contains a very small piece of genetic information. there's no way it can do all these elaborate things they say it does." (spin june 1992)


dr. roger cunningham, immunologist, microbiologist and director of the centre for immunology at the state university of new york at buffalo:
"unfortunately, an aids 'establishment' seems to have formed that intends to discourage challenges to the dogma on one side and often insists on following discredited ideas on the other." (sunday times (london) 3 april 1994)


dr. gordon stewart, emeritus professor of public health, university of glasgow:
"aids is a behavioural disease. it is multifactorial, brought on by several simultaneous strains on the immune system - drugs, pharmaceutical and recreational, sexually transmitted diseases, multiple viral infections." (spin june 1992)


dr. alfred hässig, (1921-1999), former professor of immunology at the university of bern, and former director swiss red cross blood banks:
"the sentence of death accompanying the medical diagnosis of aids should be abolished." (sunday times (london) 3 april 1994)


dr. charles thomas, former professor of biochemistry, harvard and john hopkins universities:
"the hiv-causes-aids dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the western world." (sunday times (london) 3 april 1994)


dr. joseph sonnabend, new york physician, founder of the american foundation for aids research (amfar):
"the marketing of hiv, through press releases and statements, as a killer virus causing aids without the need for any other factors, has so distorted research and treatment that it may have caused thousands of people to suffer and die." (sunday times (london) 17 may 1992)


dr. andrew herxheimer, emeritus professor of pharmacology, uk cochrane centre, oxford:
"i think zidovudine [azt] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. and i think it has killed a lot of people. especially at the high doses. i personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all." (continuum oct. 2000)


dr. etienne de harven, emeritus professor of pathology, at the university of toronto:
"dominated by the media, by special pressure groups and by the interests of several pharmaceutical companies, the aids establishment efforts to control the disease lost contact with open-minded, peer-reviewed medical science since the unproven hiv/aids hypothesis received 100% of the research funds while all other hypotheses were ignored." (reappraising aids nov./dec. 1998)


dr. bernard forscher, former editor of the u.s. proceeding of the national academy of sciences:
"the hiv hypothesis ranks with the 'bad air' theory for malaria and the 'bacterial infection' theory of beriberi and pellagra [caused by nutritional deficiencies]. it is a hoax that became a scam." (sunday times (london) 3 april 1994)

just to be fair there are many scientists who believe there is enough evidence to link hiv to aids but that held opinion is far from unanimous in the scientific community.