The Truth about AIDS

[Paddy]

RX7,

On the site "Go Ask Alice" which is conducted by the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons for the student body, they state that the chances of getting HIV from a BBBJ are almost "non-existent." Of course, you can get herpes and a whole array of STD's from a BBBJ. Overall, they feel that BBBJ's represents low risk behavior for the receiver.

"Go Ask Alice" is a highly respected site and is often quoted health and mental health personnel. I'd highly recommend it and I think that you would enjoy the site. I do.

Paddy

[RX-7]

interesting.... could you post a link to that source? Or tell me the source? I just want to compare it to the info I have from the links I have listed below and see if I miss-read, or something.

[Joe Zop]

RX-7, you're waaay high on those odds. I've read that the odds of being infected by HIV from a single needle prick from a contaminated needle are about 1 in 300 (ten times more likely to get Hep C under the same scenario, btw) The figure I've seen says that the risk to the person giving a blowjob without a condom is basically the same as the risk for someone using a condom while having anal sex with someone whose infection status is unknown -- around 0.04%. The odds while being a recipient of a blow are far lower still.

In other words, it's much safer to receive an uncovered blowjob (in terms of HIV transmission) than it is to have protected anal sex.

[RX-7]

I am not saying that if you get a bbbj that you are 100% gonna get infected... heck I am not even saying there is a 50%, or a 15% chance for that matter.... What I am trying to simply say is that you have a FAR greater chance of getting infected by a bbbj then a CBJ.

As for the cuts in the penis... you'd be amazed, the cut doesn't have to be a deep one or even bleeding. We are talking about a virus, a singled cell organism.... how big of a cut do you think you need? Chances are you have several cuts in your groin region right now. (Scratched your balls recently?) and don't even know it.

As for the chances of getting HIV from a BBJ from an infected partner.... I would have to out the odds at MAYBE 1-3% and even that sounds a bit high to me. (not a doctor... just have a family member that a microbiologist) but that means that if you got a BBJ from 100 infected people.... you're infected too!

As for Magic Johnson... he's lucky! He's been getting great care, great doctors, was in great shape to start. But eventually he will die fromt he disease... the clock is ticking down for him. Maybe not this year, or the next, or even the next.... but eventually he will run out of time.

As for a cure? God I hope it comes soon! There are so many great people in this world who are sick and dying right now cause of this disease, It would be wonderful if we could cure them all soon. Sadly I think the first thing that will come will be a vaxination which would be great for all of us non-infected, but shitty for those that are.

[Travis Bickle 2]

Actually I've heard what Capt. Fred says is true. If for example you've been stuck with an HIV infected needle and start treatment immediately (within 12-24 hours) often you can eliminate the virus before it gets established. But once it gets established there is no way to get rid of it. But its kind of a one time deal; if you're regularly having unprotected sex, it's not like you can receive the treatment several times a month.

And HIV is not automatically a death sentence anymore. Take Magic Johnson, he is still symptom free after fourteen years and with any luck may survive long enough to see an effective treatment. We're getting closer all the time.

That being said, people do die from AIDS everyday, and the treatment is often horrendous. Taking 20 or 30 pills a day, setting your alarm clock to go off every two hours all night long to take more pills; severe diarhrea and flu-like side effects from the pills; fatigue, etc. So best to be careful, though I think RX-7 you are overstating the risk of infection from BBBJ. For one the the skin on the penis is fairly thick and not prone to tearing. Believe me if a SW tooth makes a break in your skin you'll know it. I mean right now.

Herpes and sypihlis sores make transmission possible. I do definately use a condom for FS.

Civ2K

[Capt Fred]

JUST MY INPUT!

And, not kidding myself! I AM NOT PROMOTING UN-PROTECTED SEX HERE!

Another amazing thing you may want to think about: Did any woman ever come forward claiming that she had been infected with HIV, after having sex with Magic Johnson? Zero! Can you imagine the size of that law suit? According to his stories, he used to have so much sex, that his penis bled from scars! Oh please don't tell me he paid them off to keep them quite!

No wars, just some input. BTW, you may want to call CDC & NIH and request some of their updated reports by mail, not what is printed on web sites! CDC and NIH reports all indicate a drop in the statistics, and it is not just becasue of use of condoms!

[RX-7]

and for the record fred.....

hiv virus (the virus that causes aids) is found in infectous levels in the following bodily fluids...

blood
semen
vaginal fluid
breast milk.


the virus is also found, but at extremely low levels, almost non infectious levels , in:

saliva
tears
mucus (i.e: snot)

their is no cure to hiv/aids once you have it, you have it for life. and it will kill you. drugs and drug cocktails can help slow down the speed at which the virus kills you but it will still kill you all the same.

as for your female cop example.... 2 things could have happened... 1: she tested as a false positive and then underwent several months of needless drug therepy for nothing more then piece of mind. 2: the drug cocktails she was on reduced the amount of hiv in her system to a non-detectable level, thus she tested as negative the second time.

for #1, this happens fairly often if you miss the incubation period. all hospitals recommend 6 tests for hiv. one at the moment (or asap) of believed infection, an other test 3 weeks later, then 3 months after the infection , then 6 months after infection, then a year after infection, then every 6 months after that. the tests only become truly accurate around the one year mark cause that is the amount of time that the virus takes to build up in the quantities that can be tested for best results.


as for #2, the only treatment for hiv is mass quantities of drugs taken daily for the rest of your life! there is no cure, no wonder drug, you are simply a dead man walking till some other aids related disease kills you. true that with properly maintained drug levels you can live a relatively normal life for many years with out ill (disease related) effects, you are still dying, and you can still pass that hiv/aids onto anyone else that you have sex with.

don't kid yourself, or others..... a latex condom is the only truely safe way to monger. trying to argue differently is simply stupidity and utter nonsense!

[RX-7]

yes, cause a website used, maintained, and posted by working girls will be FULL of good info and the truth....

want REAL info? Goto www.CDC.gov or www.hc-sc.gc.ca both or any other OFFICAL MEDICAL webpage! If you continue to goto "amatuer" health sites for your info and believe what they tell you..... I got some prime lunar property to sell you at a good price!

[Capt Fred]

You may all want to read about AIDS on these web sites:

www.iewb.org

www.iewb.org/health.htm

Please pay close attention to the topics under the "Health" section.

"AIDS is a very serious disease -- for homosexuals, drug users, and receptive partners in anal sex from an AIDS-infected partner".

"HIV is extremely difficult to transmit sexually, particularly from a female to a male."

"The transfer of AIDS from a woman to a man is very rare since the penis would have to be either infected with an open sore or tissue torn by extreme roughness in intercourse." Not just by scratches from a Ladies teeth on your penis!

"Because HIV is so difficult to transmit heterosexually, HIV infections that are caused by heterosexual contact usually arise from a regular, long term sexual relationship with an IV drug user."

Now, I am not saying go around and fuck everything and anything without protection! No, I am not! You have to be cautious, and be careful.

-> * Even if your sex partner is STD free and HIV free, you should at least get tested once every six months for STD and HIV. All insurance companies in USA pay for it. At the first sign of HIV virus, the virus can be fought and treated.

There was a reported case were a female police officer was infected when she was helping a battered gay (HIV positive)victim. She had minute cuts on her hand, and while trying to take the victim to the hospital, her hands were soaked in his blood. Unfortunately, she wasn't wearing gloves. Due to the circumstances, the hospital tested her for HIV, and she was tested positive for HIV. She was immediately treated and after 3 months of treatment, she was free from the virus!

BTW, the best way to get tested for HIV is a “DNA - AIDS Testing” that can show if you have been infected within few days of your contact. If you really want to have this test, your doctor can help you to get it and have the insurance company cover the cost.

[Organicgrowth]

Rob Brown:

Fascinating data. Thank you for presenting it.

I followed the UN.ORG pages and it makes for very interesting research. After my reading, I’m keeping a number of the African countries (e.g. Zimbabwe) purely as eye-candy destinations: looking but not touching…

Having said that, its all a matter of luck really. As said by many a person: it just takes one… the wrong one…

A lesson for everyone: be safe. A little self-respect and respect for the lady goes to help us all: main point ~ keeping it covered!

Regards, Havanaman

[RX-7]

hate to break it to you Dash, but you CAN get AIDS from a BJ and saliva DOES contain the AIDS virus. mind you the amount of the virus in Saliva is SO minute that would have to drink about 2 litres of it to have a fiar risk of infection (put it in other terms for you... you'd have to continually french kiss for about 11 hours for that much of an exchange)

now this isn't cause the virus is "in the salvia", it's cause of minute cuts or abrashions (sp?) in the gums and cheeks that pass blood into the saliva.

now the same hold true for BJs... think of it this way you are poking your dick into her mouth... what about her teeth? all that has to happen is for the most minute scratch of the shin (you may not even notice it!) and a similiar one in her mouth! and then some unlucky contact between the two sores and you're a dead man walking.

Also Vaginal fluid contains the virus as well and in large amounts (roughly the same concentration as semen) that is what makes DATY so dangerous.... once again a cut in the mouth (from her hairs/stubble) and enough fluid and again your a dead man walking.

word of advice, when you want to play, wear the gear.

[RX-7]

sharq, it is possible to contract HIV in that manner (bbbj, DATY) the chances are smaller then unprotected sex, but is still there... I would say contact a doctor and talk to him about your problem and arange for an STD/HIV test.

[Sharq]

People,

Recently a SW gave me a BBBJ and I went down on her (DATY) after which she offered me unprotected sex, (which probably implies that she has had that with other customers). Of course I did not indulge in that.

My question to you is, what are the chances of contracting an infection such as HIV thru such a person given that she did BBBJ and I indulged in DATY with her?

This question is driving me nuts, hence my question to you!

Regards,

Sharq

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

[Country John]

Not having protected sex is like walking through a mine field wearing snow-shoes.

Listerine is also a cure for athletes foot.

Giving the girl mouthwash after bbbj is something I AWAYS do. It is a nice thing to do for the girl who should always be shown respect.

Being wrong just once about AIDS is all it takes. We can debate until we all dissappear up our own assholes and this will NOT change the CONSEQUENCES of the risk however low it might be.

Mess with the bull, get the horns.

Be safe my brothers and sisters.

Also be nice and treat the ladies with respect.

Country John

[Rob Brown]

Data taken from un.org. For the conscious traveler may be worth considering. You can be sure that the actual infection rate is much higher in the cities & resorts where the action is.

2001 HIV Prevalence rate aged 15-49, per cent (UNAIDS Estimate)

Algeria 0.1
Angola 5.5
Argentina 0.7
Armenia 0.1
Australia 0.1
Austria 0.2
Azerbaijan 0.11
Bahamas 3.5
Bahrain 0.3
Bangladesh 0.11
Barbados 1.2
Belarus 0.3
Belgium 0.2
Belize 2.0
Benin 3.6
Bhutan 0.11
Bolivia 0.1
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.11
Botswana 38.8
Brazil 0.7
Bulgaria 0.11
Burkina Faso 6.5
Burundi 8.3
Cambodia 2.7
Cameroon 11.8
Canada 0.3
Central African Republic 12.9
Chad 3.6
Chile 0.3
China 0.1
China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region 0.1
Colombia 0.4
Congo 7.2
Costa Rica 0.6
Cote d'Ivoire 9.7
Croatia 0.11
Cuba 0.11
Cyprus 0.3
Czech Republic 0.11
Democratic Republic of the Congo 4.9
Denmark 0.1
Dominican Republic 2.5
Ecuador 0.3
Egypt 0.11
El Salvador 0.6
Equatorial Guinea 3.4
Eritrea 2.8
Estonia 1.0
Ethiopia 6.4
Fiji 0.1
Finland 0.11
France 0.3
Gambia 1.6
Georgia 0.11
Germany 0.1
Ghana 3.0
Greece 0.2
Guatemala 1.0
Guinea-Bissau 2.8
Guyana 2.7
Haiti 6.1
Honduras 1.6
Hungary 0.1
Iceland 0.1
India 0.8
Indonesia 0.1
Iran (Islamic Republic of) 0.11
Iraq 0.11
Ireland 0.1
Israel 0.1
Italy 0.4
Jamaica 1.2
Japan 0.11
Jordan 0.11
Kazakhstan 0.1
Kenya 15.0
Korea, Republic of 0.11
Kyrgyzstan 0.11
Lao People's Democratic Republic 0.11
Latvia 0.4
Lesotho 31.0
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 0.2
Lithuania 0.1
Luxembourg 0.2
Madagascar 0.3
Malawi 15.0
Malaysia 0.3
Maldives 0.1
Mali 1.6
Malta 0.1
Mauritius 0.1
Mexico 0.3
Mongolia 0.11
Morocco 0.1
Mozambique 13.0
Namibia 22.5
Nepal 0.5
Netherlands 0.2
New Zealand 0.1
Nicaragua 0.2
Nigeria 5.8
Norway 0.1
Oman 0.1
Pakistan 0.1
Panama 1.5
Papua New Guinea 0.7
Peru 0.3
Philippines 0.11
Poland 0.1
Portugal 0.5
Republic of Moldova 0.2
Romania 0.11
Russian Federation 0.9
Rwanda 8.9
Senegal 0.5
Serbia and Montenegro 0.2
Sierra Leone 7.0
Singapore 0.2
Slovakia 0.11
Slovenia 0.11
Somalia 1.0
South Africa 20.1
Spain 0.5
Sri Lanka 0.11
Sudan 2.6
Suriname 1.2
Swaziland 33.4
Sweden 0.1
Switzerland 0.5
Tajikistan 0.11
Thailand 1.8
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 0.11
Togo 6.0
Trinidad and Tobago 2.5
Turkey 0.11
Turkmenistan 0.11
Uganda 5.0
Ukraine 1.0
United Kingdom 0.1
United Republic of Tanzania 7.8
United States 0.6
Uruguay 0.3
Uzbekistan 0.11
Venezuela 0.5
Viet Nam 0.3
Yemen 0.1
Zambia 21.5
Zimbabwe 33.7