The Truth about AIDS

[Rocky Singh]

Yesterday went for HIV testing again and asked for PCR-RNA. RNA was 7 Times costlier than previous test and when I was giving her the money she said that result will come in a week as it was quantitative test. Immediately backed out went to a second place. They did HIV antibody 1 and 2 test which they said was ELISA but I don't know whether its true. Immunochromatography test had written in the bottom that if positive then confirm with ELISA or Western blot and this 1 & 2 had written if positive confirm with RNA or Western Blot and no mention of ELISA.

Both tests had the same thing that if negative then either negative or you are in Windows period. Test 1 on 31st day and the second one on 33rd day.

[Pagal Chacha]

If you consider that even after 3 months x% of people will have a full blood test and test completely negative for HIV, then after 6 months find out that in fact they had it all along.

If someone told you go out to the shops because the chances of you being shot dead by a sniper is only 7 times out of 100 times that you go there, would you still go out there?

Individual reaction to the HIV virus varies widely. Some people are very sick when they get infected whilst others never have a single symptom.

The good news: It is theoretically possible to test for HIV after 1 month. The bad news: you need to be among the freakishly small x % of individuals who show a reaction after such a small period of time.

A negative test after 1 month just means no news.

All expert opinions, there is biological varaitions between individuals standard bench mark for sera conversion is three months and 3rd generation HIV Elisa is 99% specific with high positive and negative predictive values

[Myrrh]

If you consider that even after 3 months x% of people will have a full blood test and test completely negative for HIV, then after 6 months find out that in fact they had it all along.

If someone told you go out to the shops because the chances of you being shot dead by a sniper is only 7 times out of 100 times that you go there, would you still go out there?

Individual reaction to the HIV virus varies widely. Some people are very sick when they get infected whilst others never have a single symptom.

The good news: It is theoretically possible to test for HIV after 1 month. The bad news: you need to be among the freakishly small x % of individuals who show a reaction after such a small period of time.

A negative test after 1 month just means no news.

[BigJohn1196]

Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50

Where do you get this nonsense from? Most of the smaller labs use such tests and it really does not matter whether they use them or a punter uses them. The results are reliable. The reagents used in the Elisa tests are basically the same. Antigen, labelled antigen for the immuno-chromatographic tests and the addition of an enzyme substrate for the Elisa. Stop spreading stupid statements.

[Rocky Singh]

Right, a more reliable test would take more time to process. I have seen the "on the spot ones" at street festivals and stuff, I would not trust them.

I went the other day to get tested, mainly to show my new girlfriend that we can ditch the condoms. I tried to get them to take my sample at 8 and have my results by noon. No dice. They told me the process takes about 8 hours. I did get the results the following day (negative, hooray!).

I plan to go for one more test tomorrow, possibly RNA one but from what I have read is that if you are not in windows phase then the immunochromatography test is above 99% accurate, though I maybe wrong here. And if any one of the symptoms that I had were because of HIV then it obviously meant that I am not in windows phase and body is starting to fight the infection leading to fatigue etc and then test would have caught it. So one thing which is very conclusive for me is that the symptoms were not because of HIV for sure.

I will head out for one more test and hoping for the best.

And yes there were no cuts or anything on my penis which makes me feel a little better. Secondly I have also come to know that ejaculation or no ejaculation the chances are same and thirdly that even a broken condom gives you some kind of protection.

[Member #4244]

Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50

Right, a more reliable test would take more time to process. I have seen the "on the spot ones" at street festivals and stuff, I would not trust them.

I went the other day to get tested, mainly to show my new girlfriend that we can ditch the condoms. I tried to get them to take my sample at 8 and have my results by noon. No dice. They told me the process takes about 8 hours. I did get the results the following day (negative, hooray!).

[Pagal Chacha]

After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.

You are in clear if your test is negative after 90 days your first test indicates that most likey all follow up tests will be negative most reliable test is HIV ELISA good luck don't worry you will be ok

[Myrrh]

After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.

Sorry to tell you this but the accuracy of that type of test is no better than 50:50

[BigJohn1196]

After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.

As background: I manufactured HIV tests for quite a few years and have sold millions around the world. Both immuno-chromatographic and Elisa. Both tests have similar specificity and sensitivity but of course when looking for antibodies to HIV it is important that the test has all the right antigens either on the strip or in the ELISA well. A false negative is exceptionally rare if the right mixture of antigens is used. HIV null is about the only antigen that is sometimes missed out but this type of HIV is also rare.

The most common cause of not getting a positive during the first 30 days is that the antibodies are not present in the blood in sufficient concentration to be detected. This is nota false negative. However, this is also not that common as the antibody response is quite quick in most people. As far as I am aware no-one has become antibody positive after 60 days. To put your mind totally at rest I suggest another test at 60 days.

The chances of getting infected on a single occurrence where the condom breaks when only vaginal sex is used are so small but of course it can happen.

Just a point re antigen and antibody measurement. The antigen test is the specific test and basically has replaced western blot that looks for specific antibodies. It is positive much earlier than the antibody tests but it does cost more.

[Rocky Singh]

After 30 days, I went for HIV testing and the result came after one hour which was negative. The test done was Immunochromatography. Now can any experienced member tell me whether I need any further testing? For the first time in my life I actually saw how stress could create symptoms in you. Going to behave myself for as long as possible and avoid ay such incidences in future.

[Aaragon1977]

Hi guys,

First of all I am feeling absolutely normal and healthy right now. No symptoms at all. And I am quite sure that I don't have HIV but I will get tested in the next 2 weeks as I cannot right now due to some very serious constraints.

When I was in Tashkent I told a fellow that my condom broke with a girl (upscale MP in India) and I am little tensed and he replied if there has been no fever then its OK. But as soon as I came back from Tashkent (Day 09 from 1st MP sex) I got fever and got panicked. Coupled with that was difficulty swallowing. And when antibiotics were taken with it I got weakness but it wasn't a normal weakness as I felt like a fainting feeling all the time. Sore throat, fever were gone the next day but fainting feeling persisted. Then after 3 days at home (13th day) I came to work and got sore throat again. I was prescribed antibiotics again. After sleeping 3 more days continuously I still had that fainting feeling. On a particular night I had Diarrhea (15th Night) also which scared the shit out of me...

A lot of us have gone through the same experience. The 4th Generation Elissa tests for both antibodies and antigens and is very accurate 2 weeks post exposure, the test is not FDA approved in US but has been in use India and other European countries since 2007. Just go to any lab and ask them to test you for HIV, you probably should have the results in a couple of hours. If you are one of the unlucky guys who tested false positive make sure you get a western blot done. Both these tests are very inexpensive in india.

Again, go to medhelp. Org. The site survives because of all the people who pay 25 dollars to ask a question to the doctor.

[Rocky Singh]

Hi guys,

First of all I am feeling absolutely normal and healthy right now. No symptoms at all. And I am quite sure that I don't have HIV but I will get tested in the next 2 weeks as I cannot right now due to some very serious constraints.

When I was in Tashkent I told a fellow that my condom broke with a girl (upscale MP in India) and I am little tensed and he replied if there has been no fever then its OK. But as soon as I came back from Tashkent (Day 09 from 1st MP sex) I got fever and got panicked. Coupled with that was difficulty swallowing. And when antibiotics were taken with it I got weakness but it wasn't a normal weakness as I felt like a fainting feeling all the time. Sore throat, fever were gone the next day but fainting feeling persisted. Then after 3 days at home (13th day) I came to work and got sore throat again. I was prescribed antibiotics again. After sleeping 3 more days continuously I still had that fainting feeling. On a particular night I had Diarrhea (15th Night) also which scared the shit out of me.

Now I go back to this doctor and told him that every time I eat I have to go to the toilet though there is no Diarrhea anymore (Happening from the first dose of antibiotic on day 09 ). He said have some curd and after taking that curd (apparently Lactobacillus bacteria) within 3 hours I had regained my strength, no fainting feeling, no more sleepiness etc. So the total ordeal was over now on day 16. The point is that I got too panicked and resorted to too many Antibiotics whereas I just needed some curd to restore my intestinal flora. Fever was just due to too much vodka and exhaustion as I was hardly sleeping in Tashkent. I don't know how many promises I have made to god during this period which I intend to keep though.

After going through a lot of research I came to know that you can't have the symptoms just after 1 week. Not even a single case was documented which presented symptoms so fast. It was a big relief for me I would say. Secondly sore throat was actually strep which is by bacteria but in HIV its through Virus. Thirdly I thought that the MP where I had sex was little expensive so the girls must take better care of themselves and even the customers would be very educated and all but then it was just my imagination to convince myself against HIV, because in reality you never know what the customers are into. What literature said was that after getting the symptoms they persists for weeks and don't go away that easy like in my case where fever went within a day. Anyways it was very very scary for me and I the worst part is you can't really share it with anyone. For now I am putting a stop to mongering for good.

[Member #4244]

Guys,

Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.

After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?

The chances are incredibly slim. Get tested, but more importantly get medical attention for your other symptoms. Take it easy and recuperate. Chances are you just have some common virus that your foreign immune system is not accustomed to. It's not usual to get strong or lingering symptoms while traveling. I really do think think you have AIDS, but go see a doctor and take care of yourself just the same.

[Pagal Chacha]

Guys,

Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.

After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?

Usually on primary infection with HIV you get flu like symptoms with red rashes without rashesh it could be just flu, you have to give three months window period before HIv infection can be elimanted but to reassure yourself get tested every 3 weeks for period of 3 moths, I can empathise with you, you at least used a condom I barebacked a Kenyan non pro while I was partially drunk and than I was scared shit for 3 months

[Pimpa]

Guys,

Recently I had sex with an Indian girl in a MP but after the ejaculation when I pulled out the condom was broken. After few days I went to Tashkent for mongering. Had loads of sex but all with Condom but BBBJ, DFK, DATY was there. In Tashkent instead of my usual 8-9 hrs sleep I was just doing it for 4 hrs (should tire me without me realizing maybe?). Had loads of local Vodka also.

After coming to India (9th day from 1st sex in Indian MP) I got fever and difficulty swallowing. No other symptoms though. I took 2 meds and both of these symptoms go away. This is my 3rd day here and I am still feeling sleepy. Was the fever because of AIDS? I am shit scared now. Please tell me something more, only hope I have in my mind is that AIDS symptoms shouldn't come so soon and secondly I think if these were indeed AIDS symptoms then they shouldn't go away in just 2 tablets but what about my sleepiness?

If your dick was in a healthy condition, that means if the skin was without wounds etc, the chance of getting AIDS was practically nil (zero)