American Women

[Bart9000]

Hardbag ran out of ammo (didn't take too long-not much there) in the fight that he picked with me so now (on the AP board) he is refusing to answer my last post on the grounds that he doesn't like the lack of formatting.....and in the process is starting to do all kinds of comical evasion tactics like rationalize, bluster, grandstand..........

B9k

[Capt Ajax]

Hey Rock you are so correct about your comments about AW and women in general. Thanks for the info.

Women are basically the same no matter where you go. It's all about negotiation.... they want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of human nature.

The difference is in how the negotiating works. In many overseas countries, a man with a decent job is considered to be quite a catch.... age and looks are usually a secondary consideration. These "other" women negotiate by acting feminine, friendly, even sexy. They WANT to act nice towards you because they want you to be interested in them.

The problem with the women here, is that they take it for granted that YOU want THEM. Most of them figure every other available guy is hot for them as well. Not only that, but thanks to a high standard of living, a guy with a decent job isn't considered to be any big deal. The man usually needs to have a good job just to be considered. Looks and age now become the characteristics that women use when choosing a man. They don't act feminine because there's no NEED for them to do so. There's no negotiation because, as far as they're concerned, we men have nothing to negotiate WITH. That's the key to understanding why women from other countries have such a better attitude.

Wait until the economy goes south someday. If things got bad enough, I'm willing to bet that AWs would quickly rediscover their so-called charm. Until then, huge numbers of desperate guys chasing after tiny numbers of women who are genuinely attractive, will ensure that the crappy AW attitudes will continue.

Rock

[Rock Dog]

Women are basically the same no matter where you go. It's all about negotiation.... they want to get the best deal for themselves that they can. There's nothing wrong with that, it's part of human nature.

The difference is in how the negotiating works. In many overseas countries, a man with a decent job is considered to be quite a catch.... age and looks are usually a secondary consideration. These "other" women negotiate by acting feminine, friendly, even sexy. They WANT to act nice towards you because they want you to be interested in them.

The problem with the women here, is that they take it for granted that YOU want THEM. Most of them figure every other available guy is hot for them as well. Not only that, but thanks to a high standard of living, a guy with a decent job isn't considered to be any big deal. The man usually needs to have a good job just to be considered. Looks and age now become the characteristics that women use when choosing a man. They don't act feminine because there's no NEED for them to do so. There's no negotiation because, as far as they're concerned, we men have nothing to negotiate WITH. That's the key to understanding why women from other countries have such a better attitude.

Wait until the economy goes south someday. If things got bad enough, I'm willing to bet that AWs would quickly rediscover their so-called charm. Until then, huge numbers of desperate guys chasing after tiny numbers of women who are genuinely attractive, will ensure that the crappy AW attitudes will continue.

Rock

[Regor]

The motivations of "modern" Asian women, the ones that go out with Westerners are often not much different than your typical AW. In fact, some of the most cunning golddiggers I have met are Asian(Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc.) females. Once the wallet goes dry you can expect a bye. The real issue is to keep whoever it is in her own country and live there not bring her back where she will start to play the field in an "empowering" environment.

In Thailand your the King. Take her home and she becomes the Queen and you become her servant. Don't do it, it will not last. The first thing she does is becoming pregnant. Then she's got you by the balls. You will have to support a hell of a big family in Thailand. If you still have some hair left, you pull it out.

[Monger#77]

American women dont know how to act feminine PERIOD. They have lost what generations of women have fostered. From the start ( the initial period of expressing interest in a man), American women dont know how to act.

It is proper for a woman to show submissiveness from the start in order to attract a man. The art of acting "coy" and "demure" is something American women wouldnt do even if they knew how. When a woman flirts with a man in order to persuade him to approach, she shouldnt just eye fuck him or lust over him in the way a man would. A woman should show her submissiveness. She should make eye contact, then smile and cast her eyes downward. That is the submissive way women have flirted with me in other cultures.

In America, women simply look at you and/or smile. Now the problem with this is that these arent real signals, and it really allows them a real "out"* because essentially they can just say they werent interested and it was the way you (as the man) interpreted the signals she gave you.

*By an "out" here, I mean, for example, teasing men with their sexuality, with the intentions of rejecting those men from the start. I consider this to be especially cruel behavior.

Now if American women refuse to send true signs of interest (buying signals as in acting coy as I stated above), but instead send signals they KNOW are misleading, then how is that acting like a person who is willing to "play fair" or behave a way a person should in an ethical relationship based upon being selfless?

It is that they want to be able to do anything they choose, without consequences, and men should just suck it up and deal with it. You arent a real man if you complain about any of this. You are just supposed to keep at it. What AW dont realize is that most of the men who keep at it realize that there's no pleasing American women, and thus....turn into azzhules (PUAs without former training) or PUAs.

Now take this lack of femininity and extend it into the entire relationship of one-sided behavior, double standards, unrealistic expectations, selfishness, shaming tactics, feminist beliefs, combativeness, etc etc.

[CBGBConnisur]

The motivations of "modern" Asian women, the ones that go out with Westerners are often not much different than your typical AW. In fact, some of the most cunning golddiggers I have met are Asian(Chinese, Indian, Korean, etc.) females. Once the wallet goes dry you can expect a bye. The real issue is to keep whoever it is in her own country and live there not bring her back where she will start to play the field in an "empowering" environment.

[Naked Gunz]

PS China Lilly. A definition of femanism is the attempt to obtain more and more rights, protections, and privleges for women through new laws and cultural changes. Most of the people on this board, including myself believe that they NOW (In the United States) have too many rights and privleges. A woman can (speaking generally), often get a man fired from his job because she claims that he sexually harrassed her (and it is sometimes hard to prove that you DIDN'T), a woman can divorce a man at any time, for any reason, and in doing so, she often ruins him financially. There are many other issues also. For example even if a woman wants to be a wife and mother and be supported financially by her husband, she often demands many expensive material things, and will sometimes not live up to the traditional role of wife and mother.

Wow. My relationship with practically every American woman in my life in one paragraph...
Think I'll carry this in my wallet.

[Furiouz]

This is strange: I put a pic and a profile up on Hot ot Not. So far out of 500 people, I am rated an 8.5.
Now the strange part is Hot or Not has a meet me feature, where you can let a person know you are interested in meeeting them. So far I have 92 matches. However, about 60 or so of those matches are from really gorgeous girls overseas.
Hmm.
So on a lark, I spent about 30 mins just randomly clicking women who where in my area, about 100 in total. Not one single hit. Nada.Zilch. Even the big ones do not respond.
Hmm.


When does my passport arrive again?

[Bart9000]

Yea, I've had that happen. A little Ukrainian girl I was with was blowing my cheeks up like a balloon, and I told her that she was "silly". She suddenly got this terrible look on her face. I asked "what's wrong?". She said "You called me a fool!!!!". I rapidly backpedaled , explaining that the way the word is actually used in English (she may actually have technically been correct) is to mean "playful and childlike"....she settled back down fortunately......

That is going to happen sometimes. It's all just part of the fun.

B9k

PS China Lilly. A definition of femanism is the attempt to obtain more and more rights, protections, and privleges for women through new laws and cultural changes. Most of the people on this board, including myself believe that they NOW (In the United States) have too many rights and privleges. A woman can (speaking generally), often get a man fired from his job because she claims that he sexually harrassed her (and it is sometimes hard to prove that you DIDN'T), a woman can divorce a man at any time, for any reason, and in doing so, she often ruins him financially. There are many other issues also. For example even if a woman wants to be a wife and mother and be supported financially by her husband, she often demands many expensive material things, and will sometimes not live up to the traditional role of wife and mother.

[Doctor_Skank]

I was lying in bed with a Russian girlfriend a couple weeks back and we started to talk about women in general. She asked me to describe Russian women, and the first word that came to mind was "feminine". When she heard this her face got all crossed up and she looked at me in a confused, somewhat hurt manner.

I continued and eventually she stopped me abruptly, insisting that Russian girls aren't feminine and being genuinely angry and upset. After about 2 minutes of arguing we realized that we were talking about 2 different things. She had mixed "feminine" with "femininst" up.


It seems that calling a Russian girl a "feminist" is one of the worst insults you can make... whereas being "feminine" is one of the things they take most pride in.

We laughed at our little faux pas and then I fucked her in the ass.

American girls? What's that?

[Bart9000]

So I'm paranoid?


In the last 5 years, the bush administration has:


Obtained the ability to spy on US citizens on US soil.

Obtained the ability to detain as I understand it, anyone classified at the discretion of the bush administration as a "bad person" (I may be overly broad in this characterization, but the spirit remains), and subject them to indefinite detention without benefit of judicial review.

Maintained a policy of labeling anyone who disagrees with their policies as "treasonous" and "a traitor", "emboldening the enemy"....etc.

Shown no indication of slowing or curtailing the continued acquisition of executive power under the auspices of the "war on terror".

Now you may disagree with this, but I don't see where it takes much of a stretch to see where this path is leading........towards "dissidents" (and actually maybe even nonconformists to theocratic hegemony) getting their doors kicked in and disappearing into the night.

Now a lot of people would not want to live in a country like this....hence the result of closed borders to prevent a mass exodus.

Also, why do you assume that Nancy Pelosi is incompetent? Because she is female. I hope not....that would pretty much qualify you towards the mysoginy that the AW board occassionally gets accused of. Otherwise, it would be because her political beliefs (including feminism, which I also disagree with) do not agree with yours. As I stated (using Bob Dole as an example), one does not need to be in political agreement with another to be a competent leader.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I am of the understand it, the "Speaker" position is one that is elected, by other party members. The ability to get elected politically ot an office, is usually (exceptions exist, such as having your father's supreme court put you into the office, or deceptively utilize a historically unprescedented level of fear mongering to manipulate the public) pretty good tool for determining competence. In order to obtain the Speakership, Representative Pelosi had to convince a majority of a group of people who range from extremely liberal urban black women to "good ol boy" redneck southerners who are pretty much republicans, that she was most qualified to lead the party.

Doesn't that sound a lot the skill set that one would need to say help mediate a peace process between two middle eastern warring factions (pick your poision-Kurds, Shiites, Sunni's Palestinians......) engaged in a dispute?

B9k

[China Lily]

I think it is the right for a girl to look good and do what she wants with her body. If I make good money I can spend it on men, if I want to.

I think the kind of women you talk about here are not feminists. They want to be men, so I call them menists.

[Hardbarg]

I sure hope you're not trying to compare the current conditions in the US with that of Russia just before WWI, or just after their defeat. Instead of trying to talk you down from your paranoia, I think the burden belongs with you.

You brought up qualifications. Just exactly what credentials does Ms. Pelosi, or any of the rest of her buddies, have to establish their ability to deal with that complicated world you were talking about? We've just had a pretty good example of how their last guy, Kerry, handles himself. We'd be better off with Jay Leno. As far as I can tell, the only thing any of them are any good at is blaming Dubya for anything and everything that goes wrong, including your bus being late.

btw - I didn't vote for either of them the last time.

[Bart9000]

It's definitely time to move this to the American Politics forum.

Here's what "quick and rational thinking" Ms. Pelosi spends her time on.
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Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues:
The information and policy analysis role of the Caucus is now carried out by a nonprofit organization, established for this purpose called Women's Policy, Inc.

The Caucus has continued to be an active bipartisan voice in the House. The Women's Caucus informs other Members and staff of important information and develops legislation relating to women's health, economic equity, education, domestic violence, child care, child support, sexual harassment and international women's issues.

In the 106th Congress, the Caucus introduced and supports a wide variety of bills designed to improve research and services for these women's issues.
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I think "economic equity" is my favorite. Where do you think the policies that make life miserable for American men come from?

She's just the person I want to see dealing with Jihadist terrorists.

Now do you REALLY want to tell me that you would prefer further heading down the road to theocratic fascism (and we WERE heading there), with people getting "black bagged", and detained without due process.....and even potentially having ourselves disallowed from leaving the country (think I'm crazy? The Russians probably would have thought it impossible too)......that you would prefer this scenario to....a few more ***** problems (how much worse could it get? And the right wing doesn't have any stake in pushing them back)....at least with our freedom as citizens remaining intact, we can LEAVE

And being in disagreement with someone DOES NOT make them unqualified to do a job. For example, I disagree politically with Bob Dole.......but that disagreement does not change the fact that he is well qualified to do probably most any job in politics, up to and including President.

B9k

[Hardbarg]

It's definitely time to move this to the American Politics forum.

Here's what "quick and rational thinking" Ms. Pelosi spends her time on.
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Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues:
The information and policy analysis role of the Caucus is now carried out by a nonprofit organization, established for this purpose called Women's Policy, Inc.

The Caucus has continued to be an active bipartisan voice in the House. The Women's Caucus informs other Members and staff of important information and develops legislation relating to women's health, economic equity, education, domestic violence, child care, child support, sexual harassment and international women's issues.

In the 106th Congress, the Caucus introduced and supports a wide variety of bills designed to improve research and services for these women's issues.
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I think "economic equity" is my favorite. Where do you think the policies that make life miserable for American men come from?

She's just the person I want to see dealing with Jihadist terrorists.