American Women

[DJ FourMoney]

So true. To be honest I wouldn't be able to deal with all the BS some guys go through with relationships and marriage. I think that is totally obvious to women. On the other hand I wouldn't want to be classified as a guy who can deal with all the BS. That doesn't appeal to me either. I disliked it when women in my past were trying to size me up and figure out what their limits / potential was. It's just plain gross and not my way of living.

No need to accept defeat or look at yourself as a loser. Not true. I know many men in my family environment that have been winners in life from society's perspective but in reality they LOST OUT big time when you look at the big picture.

The only crime is the hoops we need to go through to get a piece if it doesn't come naturally and the harsh reality of our puritan culture. Not to mention global economy woes gay sex STDs social stigma etc. No wonder everybody wants a winner in the dating game. You can gain a lot of security and relief of stress by finding the right mate.

100, I don't like drama. But American Women like drama, even when they say they don't. I've ended every relationship but one. That was based on internet communications though and could happen to anybody, not just me.

My lack of success is based more on me and what I won't accept. At times I have accepted single mothers and fat women. It was just a focus of mine until later in life. Sure I like companionship like any human being does, I found my interest keep me plenty busy though. I've lost a few chances here and there. I have accepted those loses, learned and moved on.

Being married does not have to mean accepting things you don't like, on the contrary it means accepting another person's faults. If those faults don't really concern you, then everything will be fine. If 50-70% of marriages fail, that still means 30-50% don't fail. So its really a half empty or half full scenario.

However K-1 marriages based on what information is available have a 20% failure rate. It could be higher, it could be lower, nobody is really keeping track of this, its gleaned from Labor and State Dept data.

[DJ FourMoney]

Did you ever think that maybe marriage and reproduction is not for you? You pissed away 60K, lost your car and lost both your jobs. What would you do if you had a woman and some kids to support? Hot white and Latina women are not going to stick with a man with no money. Women marry because they want better not worse. An older guy with no money is not going be chosen by hot girls for marriage or reproduction in any part of the world. It's just not going to happen. Forget about it. At 40 yrs of age and broke you hardly have enough time to earn enough money to avoid a retirement on a cat food diet much less breed a woman 10 to 15 years your junior and support a family. Middle-aged guys have a tough time in the new global economy unless they have decades of experience in a highly specialized field that is difficult to staff. DD gave you some advice that you should probably consider. Perhaps, it is time to accept your lot in life. Stop running from your destiny like in The Adjustment Bureau. Everyone is not entitled to hot young pussy and a family.

I spend 60K cause I wanted too, I could and I did, no regrets. If I had a family to support I would have 90% of that money still, that's the difference.

I didn't say I was entitled to anything. I made a career change in time for retirement which is basically not a concern at the moment, if I have to live off SS and it will be here so be it but I seriously doubt it.

Misery loves company, if you're not happy, why allow somebody else? That's your problem, you hated your life in NYC, you left it for 2nd tier economy in Colombia. For you that might be okay, but you still didn't address my issues with you handing out advice. Would I ask you what car to buy if I already knew you thought cars were pointless vessels keeping people from connecting with each other? No, just like I wouldn't ask you about Marriage (you're divorced) or children (you don't have any and could care less about them).

I am not some old guy, you have no idea what I look like, I constantly pass for mid 20's, I am not overweight, nor ugly. If I listen to you, I would think I have no chance at all, but I don't think that is the case. I could have chosen a woman that at the time was 6 years younger with two sons and was willing to have a third because she wanted (like most women do) a daughter. I didn't want to be an instant father, that's my choice.

There was a 42 yr old woman that was childless and wanted to have children. Well, I'm not ready, even if I had it to fork over a few thou for IVF because its much harder to have your first child at that point, than it would have been 15-16 years ago. Plus she hung onto her last relationship too long.

So here in America, my effective age range is mid to late 30's. That's not based on looks, its based on a number, my age. Woman 25-28 are still focused on career options and generally not interested. I also believe the US is much more of a crap shoot and too much of a compromise. I chatted up a girl on the bus about. 4-5 months ago, still don't know why I didn't get her information, but a very attractive Latina, I doubt she was much more than 22-23.

A friend of mine recently (about a year ago) married a woman from Ukraine. He's Black. 38 and she's obviously White and 26. They are expecting their first child as well. He makes decent money, nothing specular and it took him 3 separate tours to find her. I am just hoping it doesn't take 3 trips.

So I know it can be done. As long as I keep my expectations in-check I'll be fine. Finding an attractive Slavic girl is a given, what you want to know is what is inside their head.

I don't have to accept anything and I don't have a destiny.

[Artisttyp]

Did you ever think that maybe marriage and reproduction is not for you? Perhaps, it is time to accept your lot in life. Stop running from your destiny like in The Adjustment Bureau. Everyone is not entitled to hot young pussy and a family.

So true. To be honest I wouldn't be able to deal with all the BS some guys go through with relationships and marriage. I think that is totally obvious to women. On the other hand I wouldn't want to be classified as a guy who can deal with all the BS. That doesn't appeal to me either. I disliked it when women in my past were trying to size me up and figure out what their limits / potential was. It's just plain gross and not my way of living.

No need to accept defeat or look at yourself as a loser. Not true. I know many men in my family environment that have been winners in life from society's perspective but in reality they LOST OUT big time when you look at the big picture.

The only crime is the hoops we need to go through to get a piece if it doesn't come naturally and the harsh reality of our puritan culture. Not to mention global economy woes gay sex STDs social stigma etc. No wonder everybody wants a winner in the dating game. You can gain a lot of security and relief of stress by finding the right mate.

[Bango Cheito]

DJ you have to realize, the way the car is used in the USA counts for much of the cultural problems, not to mention people's sorry-ass physical state. It's not that easy to separate them.

I really think in the US it's more about money. In other parts of the world being good-looking counts for more. But who knows. I plan on going back to NYC good-looking (and broke) in June for a few weeks, let's see what pops.

Some friend of mine in NYC somebody wanted to insult her they called her a "groupie to a broke music manager". Note the "broke" in the statement. The implication is a man with money DESERVES NO PUSSY. I was kinda shocked by it, now that I no longer live in that culture, it was like a slap in the face to me. But that's the reality of the culture.

Here in Colombia it's the reverse of what you might expect. I will tell you know that I'm going on 3 years here, I have it absolutely statiscially proven, the richer girls here are more after money, with most of the girls from the poorer neighborhoods. They will NOT give it up for you unless you are physically very easy on the eyes, this is the most aesthetically oriented place you can imagine. There are exceptions but they are few and far between.

[Goga Fung]

If AW think you are a catch they will "find" the time for you.

I think there is still a problem.

Even though it is like this, lets say I got an AW interested in me like I'm a "catch", don't you think it should be the other way around?

If I think she is a good one and if I want to, I could find time for her. I want to be able chose among a bunch of women, I do not want women (AW) to chose me among a bunch of competing guys.

[Chocha Monger]

I didn't think we were talking about American Women directly. However as I said, Men only let Women get away with stuff because of the power of pussy. But its actually a shortage of attractive, intelligent, available women.

That's the problem.

Money? I don't know had 60K and burned it up on a trip to Europe and the car and various other things. Lost the car, lost both jobs, don't have shhh, don't to my last $26 from my meager tax return. More money would just make me do more foolish stuff with it, which is fine, I don't hurt anybody, but as I have said before randomly fucking women for money is not a replacement for a loving relationship and children.

As I have said before, you are anti-Car, anti-Marriage and anti-Children, so in turn I don't think you can give me any sage advice is going to be extremely biased in those directions.

Did you ever think that maybe marriage and reproduction is not for you? You pissed away 60K, lost your car and lost both your jobs. What would you do if you had a woman and some kids to support? Hot white and Latina women are not going to stick with a man with no money. Women marry because they want better not worse. An older guy with no money is not going be chosen by hot girls for marriage or reproduction in any part of the world. It's just not going to happen. Forget about it. At 40 yrs of age and broke you hardly have enough time to earn enough money to avoid a retirement on a cat food diet much less breed a woman 10 to 15 years your junior and support a family. Middle-aged guys have a tough time in the new global economy unless they have decades of experience in a highly specialized field that is difficult to staff. DD gave you some advice that you should probably consider. Perhaps, it is time to accept your lot in life. Stop running from your destiny like in The Adjustment Bureau. Everyone is not entitled to hot young pussy and a family.

[DirkDingy]

Very true: the unrealistic Expectation Level is a big factor.

You've experienced American Woman who have it; you go to poor countries becuz you have unrealistic expectations.

The Alpha Male gets the top women wherever he goes.

'dead ass ugly people' are everywhere. No one country has a monopoly on that.

This is a very interesting comment that deserves further comment. There is something about the American mentality which hones an individual's sense of (unreasonable) entitlement. The sense that I can always obtain more than I currently have and that one must alway strive for more. It's what makes white males who earn 37K a year in a blue collar job vote for candidates that espouse tax policies that favor the monied and educated at ther own expense. It's what makes some on this board who are broke and have little going for them think that they are entiitled to anything more than a woman that it broke and has little going for her.

In most countries, people accept their lot in life. They know what they are and comfortable in their own shoes. When a former thai bar girl is asked to go to a club around Thong Lo she will likely decline because she knows that such locations are not her place. She does not think of what she can do to become high-soc, but rather looks upon her snobby countryman as being born deservedly lucky while she was not. It's what makes the 2 Billion Indians and Chinesse voluntarily submit to a stiffling caste system.

In our country, even the brokest most uneducated fool chersihes the fact that he can be someone. It's true; there is opportunity here, but not nearly as much as the media makes it out to be.

This eternal optimism is what makes us ALL think that we are entitled to more than what is righfully ours. And sadly this includes the type of women that we think we can get.

As the OP noted, the alpha male-successful, nice ride, nice home that he owns, good looking- gets play anywhere. One does not have to travel for pussy. Yes, AW view their pussies as a puritan present whereas many women in Africa, LA, and EE, SEA, see sex as little more than another bodily function and one does have to play a game to get in a AW's panties. But dating is a game everywhere on the planet.

Most AM are just mirror images of the AW that they so despise.

[DJ FourMoney]

If AW think you are a catch they will "find" the time for you.

I doubt that seriously. I'm 40, 25 year olds don't want me. If you say money changes that, I don't want them.

Needle In the Haystack nonsense a good woman from America is hard to find and you would spend years looking for her. As you get older and older, and older. No thanks, the time is now to do something, so I'm doing it.

[DJ FourMoney]

You have absoutely no clue and write from a disturbingly myopic perspective. Like the guy who reads a book on airplanes and claims to be an expert on aerodynamics. Funny and entertaining but dead wrong.

First: Machismo culture and boorish Slavic behaivor is what these people know. It's their dads, their uncles, and their brothers. Right or wrong it's what they are taught and what is imbued in them from a early age. I don't know why any woman would want to live in an Islamic Republic but plenty do and like the protection that they are afforded from living in such a system.

Biaatches lie:They yap to you that they are above their culture and like senstive and carring American men because that's what they think you want to hear. They tell their own men that Western men are pussies and cheap. Ever hears the term "real man" before. For those of us that lived in the FSU its a very common theme. These girls tell black guys on vacation that they luv black skin and they tell their own men that they could never imagine a monkey touching them. People lie and are hyprocrites and those Latins and EE's embody this the most.

Some folks really are outliers, but I rarely trust people that knock their own cultures and proclaim another better even if it's true.

You mean well, but traveling vacariously leads you to draw some really errant conclusions.

Okay I'll bite. Mister World Traveler, X-Military, Contract Merchant whatever your doing now. What would you have me do?

Be some single bastard, chasing skirts, paying women to leave, forget having my own children, travel the world until I need new pages for my passport?

I'm all ears, most suggestions fall on deaf ears they are 180 degrees of what I want. My overall knowledge is fairly narrow, but I've also seen your post elsewhere on this site and its seems your very cynical, so how can I take any advice about women from you seriously?

[DJ FourMoney]

Kudos to you for getting your priorites right. I hope you are beginning to recognize the farce it is to think that in this "the world is flat era" that running abroad to find a woman is anything but asinine. Get you money right and the pusssy will flow no matter where you are unless you are ugly, fat, and have no personality.

Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector; however, if you can get on with a multinational you can work wherever they have projects. Your best bet is to get a security clearance and do DOD IT work in Europe or wherever else. Those guys make good $$ and the jobs can't be outsourced to an Indian or EE for 20% of the cost of a Yank.

Cheers

Actually they do. I've seen it. DHL is multi-national. Also Denmark's Positive List doesn't mention where you're coming from and I recently watched an episode of International House Hunters with a Danish guy that married an American Girl, had a daughter and they moved back to Denmark. She's working at a teacher.

What do you mean priorities? I needed to make money to afford a family, not so I can buy a C63 AMG though that would be nice. I also didn't do it to buy some posh apartment downtown or in West LA. If women didn't come near me when I had nothing (not completely true) then I don't want them either. That seems to be a problem you have, you never know if a woman is interested in you as a man or the scrilla. So you just default to paying for it, that might work for you, but it won't work for me.

The world isn't flat, not sure what that means but you're starting to sound like "ThatGuy". He always saying something similar, running overseas won't solve anything, never claimed it did. I still beg to differ and frankly I have to keep saying it, I want children and I don't want to have children with a 35 year old woman. Nor do I want skinny Asian chicks, so that doesn't leave a ton of choice, Latinas or Caucasians from Europe where I can find women 25-30.

And why would I want to work for DoD of all things? You're x-military you can handle that. I'd say fuck no somewhere along the way, no paycheck is worth my personal morals.

[DirkDingy]

I believe there is a second problem. Busy American lifestyle. Most people are so busy with their work, education, training and other crap, that they don't have time to have "good" time.

When I'm in FSU or South America I can get a date with a "normal" or working girl any day. There are always possibilities. In contrast in USA most people's lives are structured and follow some kinda schedule, when they plan everything in advance. I don't like this bullshit.

If AW think you are a catch they will "find" the time for you.

[DJ FourMoney]

Any attractive woman in America can get a lot more than what men would like her to have. The tendency of divorce courts to rule largely in women's favor bears this out. If you marry or have children in America when things go to shit the woman will be getting the kids and your money. Marry or knock her up and you've just let her have what she wants period! There are worse things than loneliness but you have to experience them to understand. Expect disappointment when betting on another human being for happiness. I've found that making lots of money and staying free is the best choice for living in America.

I didn't think we were talking about American Women directly. However as I said, Men only let Women get away with stuff because of the power of pussy. But its actually a shortage of attractive, intelligent, available women.

That's the problem.

Money? I don't know had 60K and burned it up on a trip to Europe and the car and various other things. Lost the car, lost both jobs, don't have shhh, don't to my last $26 from my meager tax return. More money would just make me do more foolish stuff with it, which is fine, I don't hurt anybody, but as I have said before randomly fucking women for money is not a replacement for a loving relationship and children.

As I have said before, you are anti-Car, anti-Marriage and anti-Children, so in turn I don't think you can give me any sage advice is going to be extremely biased in those directions.

[Goga Fung]

Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.

The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.

I believe there is a second problem. Busy American lifestyle. Most people are so busy with their work, education, training and other crap, that they don't have time to have "good" time.

When I'm in FSU or South America I can get a date with a "normal" or working girl any day. There are always possibilities. In contrast in USA most people's lives are structured and follow some kinda schedule, when they plan everything in advance. I don't like this bullshit.

[Golfinho]

The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high expectations.

Very true: the unrealistic Expectation Level is a big factor.

You've experienced American Woman who have it; you go to poor countries becuz you have unrealistic expectations.

The Alpha Male gets the top women wherever he goes.

'dead ass ugly people' are everywhere. No one country has a monopoly on that.

[Ezinho]

I don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "Pussy Heaven" for guys any time soon.

Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.

The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.

Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector.

I'm going to take this one step further and say it's almost impossible at this point for an American passport holder to get a job in the EU doing anything. I've looked into working in the EU myself and they have really tightened up the restrictions. I'm not saying it's impossible, because it's not, but it's damn hard.

With the global economy in the dumper, governments are becoming more and more xenephobic and anti-foreigner; just look at this country in places like Arizona with their new immigration laws. In my case, when I left to go work in South Korea in 2008, all you needed for a work visa was a four-year degree and a passport; now they require all kinds of shit, an FBI background check, medical check, interview at the Korean consulate, etc. It's a country's way of saying "we don't really want you" to foreign workers.

I'm not convinced the country is moving in the right direction socially. I am not concerned about American Culture (such as it is) screwing up my woman. I don't know why the specter of this continues on this board. If you pick the right woman as I have said before, she'll think American Culture is ridiculous and ass-backwards. That doesn't mean she doesn't take advantage of what America has to ofter which isn't much these days unless you're talking about rampant consumerism, but that means when you need a new TV there's always one on sale.

I'm not going to join in with the America-bashing; I'll just say that after living abroad for a few years, I realize now that America is not the country for me. I don't know how this happened, but I'm just one of those people that is not compatible with my country of birth.

America and AWs, it's not you, it's me!