American Women

[Westy]

I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn!

RN, please forgive me if my post gave you the notion that I believe that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them. Rationally, I know that a kissy-snuggly couple - hetero, gay, or bi - aren't engaging in such behavior for the sake of any spectators; they aren't likely to give a rat's patoot about who might be watching or what their audience might feel. It's my own emotional reaction that leaves me feeling "they're showing their contempt."

But - given the ever-increasing contempt aimed at men by Western women - can you definitively rule out that some of these gay couples may be putting on a show like that, not just for their own pleasure, but also to (as Artisttyp said) "make straights uncomfortable and rub their sexuality in your face"?

I was and I am reporting on my own state of mind and emotions when I said that I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, and that I feel like the show underlines the fact.

I already recognize that American women would appreciate nothing more from me than seeing me crawl back under my rock and disappear. I have grown used to that rock, even comfortable under it, but I do crawl out from time to time for some sunlight and fresh air....

[ThatGuy865]

I live in NYC a mecca for this crap. They do it to make straight people feel uncomfortable and to rub their sexuality in your face. It's their way of getting back at the "folks".

NYC the mecca. What happened to San fran. I could have sworn. It was the MECCA of everything gay. And L. A. With west hollywood. Oh don't get me wrong there are alot in NYC. So don't you think maybe they just feel comfortable enough that they don't have to hide it like those so called. How did you put it "Old school gays". Maybe its YOU who has the issue. You are so hung up that you are put off because they have a relationship. That you don't have. Do straight couples kiss to embarrass people or gays don't have the same emotions. And how would you know.

[ThatGuy865]

Rn,

Its no use in trying to convince these guys of nothing. You are dealing with the socially and relationship inept with this group.

For any rational thinking person to think that Only straight people kiss in public because of passion and gays Only do it to attract attention or to some how embarrass straight people shows how ignorant these guys are about people and relationships. In general

I believe most of these guys here are those guys who werent able to get women EVER. Oh they might of had that one or two girls who like them so much that the woman pratically made the move on them and of course these knuckleheads thought they were the ones who made the move. And then once the woman realized the socially inept guys they had. They dumped them. So any and everyone who is in love or displays affection of any kind has to be doing it with some other motive.

That is why most of these guys are locked solely into the p4p game or can only deal with women are so economically strapped that they accept any foreigner and since there is the obvious language barrier. No intellectual discussions will take place.

[DJ FourMoney]

I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn!

These are bi-curious women, not actual bi-sexual women or gays even.

I don't know the reasons WHY they do it, they just do it. I have seen it, its not what I would call a regular thing, but also straight women bring known bi-sexual women into heterosexual nightclubs. Mix in a little alky and you never know what happens.

[Artisttyp]

I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn!

I live in NYC a mecca for this crap. They do it to make straight people feel uncomfortable and to rub their sexuality in your face. It's their way of getting back at the "folks".

I have respect for old school gays 70's/80's. They had way more balls then the guys nowdays. The younger gay guys act worse than high school "mean girls".

The straight man is the real underdog these days.

Another big deal in NYC are bull dykes that look like men and date lipstick lesbos. If you somewhat glance at their lipstick GF they want to pounce on you. Most are PR's or Black. Maybe it has to do with macho culture. I don't know.

These are people looking for trouble who feel the need to exacerbate the situation. It is nothing more than an act of desperation.

Again these are all signs of desperation and the need to prove something. If you are happy and you know it clap your hands...that's what I say.

[Rubber Nursey]

...there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."

I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn!

[DJ FourMoney]

Maybe this is my long-term frustration speaking, but there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."

I have had two "happy hour" experiences in my life - one professional (at Blackbeard's in the DomRep) and one "semi-pro" (in Asuncion, Paraguay, with a woman I'd been with before and her friend that she was partying with before we hooked up that night). Neither one involved any girl-on-girl action, though I would have enjoyed the show if it had come about that way.

Two women getting sexy with each other? I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, any more than I would hope that a woman I find attractive is going to want anything to do with the likes of me. Unless it's P4$ with the gringo mark-up.

Westy that is not long term frustration, that's the new normal.

[Westy]

Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).

However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men!

Maybe this is my long-term frustration speaking, but there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."

I have had two "happy hour" experiences in my life - one professional (at Blackbeard's in the DomRep) and one "semi-pro" (in Asuncion, Paraguay, with a woman I'd been with before and her friend that she was partying with before we hooked up that night). Neither one involved any girl-on-girl action, though I would have enjoyed the show if it had come about that way.

Two women getting sexy with each other? I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, any more than I would hope that a woman I find attractive is going to want anything to do with the likes of me. Unless it's P4$ with the gringo mark-up.

[DJ FourMoney]

Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).

However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men!

You must live on a different planet Nursery I've seen women lock lips (and tongue) before on the dancefloor and all the guys stare, I just roll my eyes. I'm usually in the DJ booth I don't even see it and if I do I ignore it.

That's the only time I find myself in nightclubs these days. Its not for 40somethings, its not even for 30somethings even though they still go. I don't drink so I don't like the bar scene, I'm just kinda stuck. I rely heavily on the internet now.

I have never met any women (besides the one I mentioned) that was openly interested in bi-sexual activities, so the likelihood of that happening is SLIM and NONE.

For me its a loose, loose, - Example

I was making my rounds on the sites I'm on (dating sites) and out of nowhere I get a poke/wink that somebody wants to chat with me, okay... Its some 40ish Flight Attendant, who looks very bit 40. After about 15 mins she asked what my "Special Situation" and I said I live at home with my parents as I wanted to save money. Then she goes on this mini-rant about being an Independent Women and that she couldn't handle me being at home. Before that she said "I wanted alot to be a guy that lives at home". I've become very BLUNT in my description of what I want (no kids or if you do one small child, under 3 and under 35) I don't see how that's "demanding"....lol How could some woman on the wrong side of 40 say some shit like that like she was doing ME a favor by contacting me first to see what kinda "looser" I was?

This is what American Men have to put up with. I didn't ask for her opinion on my living situation, nor did I was I really interested in talking to her. If I was I would have contacted her first.

That's some serious bullshit!

[Rubber Nursey]

I think he means bi-curious/bi-sexual women. Why would real lesbians go to a heterosexual nightclub? News flash they don't, these are women that are bi-curious at best and I fully understand what he's talking about. I've seen women that want to attract attention, its a shame really.

Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).

However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men!

[DJ FourMoney]

Do you mean actual lesbian duos, or girls who are obviously straight pretending to get it on with other girls? 'Coz if you're talking about actual lesbians (or bi-girls in same sex relationships)...I doubt they give much thought to the men around them when they're pashing the woman they love! Lesbians kiss other women because they're lesbians, not because they're cockteases...

I think he means bi-curious/bi-sexual women. Why would real lesbians go to a heterosexual nightclub? News flash they don't, these are women that are bi-curious at best and I fully understand what he's talking about. I've seen women that want to attract attention, its a shame really.

[Rubber Nursey]

As far as the lesbian duos, I meant they are drawing attention to themselves, intentionally dick-teasing guys now for fun. Like a game.

Do you mean actual lesbian duos, or girls who are obviously straight pretending to get it on with other girls? 'Coz if you're talking about actual lesbians (or bi-girls in same sex relationships)...I doubt they give much thought to the men around them when they're pashing the woman they love! Lesbians kiss other women because they're lesbians, not because they're cockteases...

[Gentleman Travel]

... is a good offence.

Probably also it is a defence mechanism - if she is not open to approaches, then she cannot be rejected.

In USA I have also noticed another phenomena, the attitude of worse-looking girls often can be even worse of the better-looking girls' attitude.

For some reason I have found taking to prettier girls is easier than to ugly ones.

My guess is that in addition to already nasty attitude(which is a norm), the ugly girl realizes that she is actually uglier than others, so she is getting pissed off even more.

[Mike12]

Mike12 you're not the only one that's complaining about single life in NYC.

I do find Eastern European Woman talking all "ghetto" very interesting. I wonder if they know that intelligent, educated Black Men don't talk like that, at least not in the presence of people we don't know. Even then I don't use that much slang (ebonics) in private.

My boy's girlfriend who's Russian doesn't speak that way. Neither does this Ukrainian brunette I'm trying to "Holla" at.

The point I'm trying to make is that talking like that (ghetto, hip-hop) is now the norm. The way we might say what's up man, dude, or fellas is now replaced by the younger generations adaptation of the N word in every sentence, ghetto talk and dumbing down. Immigrant kids pick it up without realizing how disgraceful it sounds and looks. When you hear the same vernacular on 145 street and the Upper East Side, Jamaica Ave and malls in Westchester County thats saying something.

I walk down a Manhattan street every day right after high school lets out and see and hear all kinds of things going on with the charming student body. Various fights and robberies, girls instigating fights, roving kids in the street jumping out at cars, screaming high-school kids, and all this with cops on every street to shepard them along to the subway. Lovely experience for sure. With that being said, I still don't think it was as bad as the eighties. At least now these kids got lap-tops, Ipods, smartphones, and a reasonable awareness of the world around them through the internet and the media.

As far as the lesbian duos, I meant they are drawing attention to themselves, intentionally dick-teasing guys now for fun. Like a game.

[DJ FourMoney]

DJ, I don't know that I get turned on necessarily by two women kissing. But it is kind of fascinating.

The funny part was that most men were on the edge of their seats. Women were horrified. I've dated a few bisexual women. I think they're probably even more focused on themselves sexually than heterosexual women are.

No harm, I was just wondering. I kinda though it was cool when I was younger, but now I can just do without it.

I've never dated any Bi-Women, I only knew one that expressed interest in being with a woman and I didn't have a problem with it.