American Women

[Sawassdee]

There is hope, there are still a few AW with their heads screwed on tight.

Truth I'll drink with you on this Capt.

[Chocha Monger]

There is hope, there are still a few AW with their heads screwed on tight.

But there are still a lot of crazy ones out there. Be careful!

http://news.yahoo.com/angry-ex-girlf...192805232.html

[Capt Ajax]

There is hope, there are still a few AW with their heads screwed on tight.

Written by EdrienneCole.

http://edriennecole.com/

Women make the rules. At least, until men decide to start making them again.

Having casual affairs and mistresses used to be insanely common. Expected even. And right out in the open. So long as you treated both well, you could have your wife and mistress in the same opera box and still enjoy the show. Women were also permitted their indiscretions but were a bit more quiet about it. If a man *did not* have mistresses and bastards running around, he was considered a failure financially, sexually and socially.

Somewhere along the way, women got this crazy notion that men should only love / be sexual with their wives. Men certainly didn't come up with that idea! (I could go on and on about where I think it came from but that's not the point here.) They withheld the kitty, lost their feminine ways and wiles, became harsh and demanding shrews. And men sacrificed their balls. Most now only get to see them when wifey says it's ok to take them out of the mayonnaise jar on the mantel (generally for procreation purposes only).

Now we live in a crazy, mixed up world where certain celebrity men can be rakes and it's ok. But if the average man is a rake, he's shunned. Men certainly don't shun him (they're jealous) , but women do and so to keep from pissing their women off (and losing access to the kitty) the men will intone the same BS as the women.

Women are supposed to look and act the part of being huge sluts (short of actually doing the deed) but that just gives other women something to judge and gossip about. Is she too slutty? Yes, but let us all wear the same clothes to look like her. Is she too much of a prude? Yes, she has a great figure and should show it off more. She looks like a huge **** and we love her look BUT OMG she ACTUALLY *IS* a ****? Off with her head! See. Women are crazy. Men tend to love sluts (go figure, easy kitty!) but can't verbalize it for fear of having their own access to kitty be put on lockdown.

Until men regain their balls and don't let women dictate what is ok for them to do / say / think / want, women will continue to make all the decisions.

If a guy wants to tell his civvie GF that he used to see hookers, or that he slept around, or whatever and she freaks out. Don'tcha think that's a sign that she ain't THE ONE (cue angels singing in the background)? Why is he going to give her his balls to put in the mayonnaise jar before he's even signed the contract?

My last serious relationship started off with him confessing that his marriage had broken up because she caught him seeing hookers (nevermind that she'd spred 10 times in 12 years, how DARE he see hookers?). He was truly and terribly anxious that this would be a deal breaker for me. After I covered my giggles with a fit of coughing, I assured him that whatever he did before was his history and I have mine as well. Who are either of us to judge what the other did at previous points in our lives? Fast forward several years and we had a wonderful, open relationship with both of us knowing all the dirt on the other.

I am who I am. He is who he is. Our values will either line up or they won't. It's not the end of the world either way. And being in a relationship is certainly not worth subjugating who *I* am just to please someone else or avoid their judgement.

Until men take that road more often than not, women will make the rules about what they can / cannot do. A person can only have power over you if YOU GIVE it to them.

[Artisttyp]

It depends.

I agree. You need to look slick without "looking" slick. The ED HARDY look just doesn't cut it.

IMO it's a fine line. You can't do too much or else AW's question your sexuality. Not enough and you are considered clueless and gross.

This week I was making a copy at a printing place and an old lady asked me if I was gay because she noticed that I was wearing cologne. I laughed and said that is only in american culture. I grew up with europeans. We all wore cologne. No offense to anybody but those kinds of cultural norms have left american guys to not care about their appearance. American males are well known worldwide to dress like average "joes". Now AW's decide men need to be more metrosexual and do more manscaping.

Confused neurotic flip flop wearing motor mouths. Get lost.

[Bango Cheito]

It depends.

Sometimes it works exactly the other way around; you go out all slick and looking good and not much happens, then you're all dirty and sweat in some situation and some fine pussy steps up to you on her own without you doing anything for it.

Based on my personal experience I think it depends on the socio-economic status of the women in question.

Most people are intimidated by relating to a "too slick-looking person" (I mean for example a man wearing an Armani suit with awesome shoes and accessories) , looking flawless doesn't make people comfortable, but it certainly attracts a cartain type of girls.

Just the same, some other kind of girls see a man in his dirty work's clothes, maybe he even is muscular and sweat, and the girl's dirty mind does the trick.

Women. Amazing!

The better shape you're in, the less the clothes make a difference. And here they are biased against fat people, SEVERELY.

[LittleTruths]

I can honestly say that the more I take care of my appearance, the more attention I get from women. And the difference between when I go out in bummy clothes and when I go out dressed nicely is NIGHT AND DAY.

It depends.

Sometimes it works exactly the other way around; you go out all slick and looking good and not much happens, then you're all dirty and sweat in some situation and some fine pussy steps up to you on her own without you doing anything for it.

Based on my personal experience I think it depends on the socio-economic status of the women in question.

Most people are intimidated by relating to a "too slick-looking person" (I mean for example a man wearing an Armani suit with awesome shoes and accessories) , looking flawless doesn't make people comfortable, but it certainly attracts a cartain type of girls.

Just the same, some other kind of girls see a man in his dirty work's clothes, maybe he even is muscular and sweat, and the girl's dirty mind does the trick.

Women. Amazing!

[Bango Cheito]

I loved your previous post.

But I think that honestly your own self-assesment may not be the assesment women are giving you. Maybe you don't have the face you think you have and are running into "face control".

I can honestly say that the more I take care of my appearance, the more attention I get from women. And the difference between when I go out in bummy clothes and when I go out dressed nicely is NIGHT AND DAY.

Just about everything you posted is true.

From personal experience, I can tell you that women don't necessarily jump on a good looking guy. Now, I'm no George Clooney certainly. But I am 6'2" and weigh 225 lbs. At 10 percent bodyfat with broad shoulders and a narrow waist. My face is decent. But.

Women don't just "jump" on me. Oh. Yes they will move in and "probe" me. They'll ask questions and most of those questions are based on what I do for a living. If I'm in my work clothes. They won't even usually do that because I do a difficult and sometimes dirty job. So they assume I don't make much money (but I do).

So yes, women are foremost attracted to a man's ability to be a provider. Then after that I would say, his ability to commit to a relationship.

My wife tells me that I am the most attractive to her when I do the dishes. She knows that sex motivates me so she turns into a kitten when she wants something from me. And I've told her I know she's manipulating me and it's perfectly acceptable! She doesn't even buy me birthday presents anymore. SHE presents herself as my birthday present. She'll think up something sexy for us to do. That we've never done before. Like once we fucked on a public beach after dark. One time she rented a hotel for two days and we fucked almost continuously. We took breaks for showers, bathroom calls, Starbucks and restaurants. Then went back at it. Once she played a slave girl for me. She knows I enjoy these things better than any present she could buy for me!

[Arctic]

Just about everything you posted is true.

From personal experience, I can tell you that women don't necessarily jump on a good looking guy. Now, I'm no George Clooney certainly. But I am 6'2" and weigh 225 lbs. At 10 percent bodyfat with broad shoulders and a narrow waist. My face is decent. But.

Women don't just "jump" on me. Oh. Yes they will move in and "probe" me. They'll ask questions and most of those questions are based on what I do for a living. If I'm in my work clothes. They won't even usually do that because I do a difficult and sometimes dirty job. So they assume I don't make much money (but I do).

So yes, women are foremost attracted to a man's ability to be a provider. Then after that I would say, his ability to commit to a relationship.

My wife tells me that I am the most attractive to her when I do the dishes. She knows that sex motivates me so she turns into a kitten when she wants something from me. And I've told her I know she's manipulating me and it's perfectly acceptable! She doesn't even buy me birthday presents anymore. SHE presents herself as my birthday present. She'll think up something sexy for us to do. That we've never done before. Like once we fucked on a public beach after dark. One time she rented a hotel for two days and we fucked almost continuously. We took breaks for showers, bathroom calls, Starbucks and restaurants. Then went back at it. Once she played a slave girl for me. She knows I enjoy these things better than any present she could buy for me!

[Capt Ajax]

here's an excellent analysis of american women / men sexual dynamics.

1. sex is a primary emotional need for most men, but not so needed by most women. we all, to some degree, project our own hierarchy of values onto others and essentially assume that things that are unimportant for us are also unimportant to other people. if sex isn't a big thing for her, she will project that it isn't a big thing for you. the solution to this is to communicate and tell her how important it is to you. she can't meet your needs if she doesn't know what they are. so tell her. not just a hint. really tell her. don't be accusing or bullying or threatening. wrap it up nicely but still be truthful."i love you like crazy but i have a primary need you are unable to meet, and it is a problem for me. i know it isn't as important for you but its really important to me."

keep in mind that you likely already meet emotional needs for her that are more important to her than they are for you. you are really just asking her to make a similar accommodation.

2. a lot of things can affect how eager a woman is with you sexually. one of them is what i would call "perceived differential in value in the mating marketplace." essentially, if she believes that her odds of being able to get a man who is better than you are substantially greater than your odds of being able to get a woman who is better than her, she will be less sexually eager.

though it is indeed important that you be in shape and look as much like prime mating material as possible, it is unfortunate but true that many women assign mating value based upon a man's wealth or earning power. studies even show that on average a woman has more orgasms and enjoys sex more with a man she perceives to be more wealthy. so you need to definitely stick with making the body good, but also develop either higher earning power (if that is an issue) or if you already earn plenty, figure out a way of raising your public status / visibility such as speaking in public about something at which you are an expert. over time, with this sort of sideline, you'll start getting fan mail from attractive women. set up a separate email account for that endeavor that people who attend your speeches will use, and put her in charge of correspondence from that account. let her deal with the attractive women who want to ask you questions or give you accolades.

this will raise her perception of your mate value and therefore raise her desire to mate with you.

3. though the credibility of some of these studies is not so good due to the sources, there are at least some studies both in europe and the us that suggest that a division of labor such that the woman gets stuck with all the housework diminishes both her sexual availability and enthusiasm. it may help to look over the home responsibilities very carefully, and see if the division is unfair and she is pulling more than her fair share. if that is the case, re-mediate that by undertaking some of the home chores for which you are suited. most men can't iron, and the 5-million categories of laundry that women invent are too painstaking for a man to undertake successfully, but you can probably do dishes, clean the bathroom, etc.

4. back to the differential in prioritization of sex.

women in ordinary relationships will not be in the mood for sex unless all of their other needs are met. things like financial security, trust and other factors are very important, and without these there's no sexual desire or enthusiasm. a man has lots of desire and enthusiasm even if he's living in a cardboard box. lol consider the possibility that some fundamental needs of hers are unmet. i would recommend the book "his needs, her needs." this book contains tools to help you identify her needs so you know where you may be falling down. it may be that meeting one simple need consistently will be all it takes to turn on an enthusiastic sex switch.

[Arctic]

Or even. Attempt to justify it?

Mongers are normal people. Just like anyone else. They come from poor families and rich families. And all the families in between. They come from bad homes and outstanding homes. And all the homes in between.

What's wrong with going to a poor country to pay for sex from a woman who's hard up and willing to perform the service? How many women working at WalMart are there for career advancement? You can compare working girls to women working at WalMart. Some are there because they actually LIKE the work. Some are there because it's the only job they can get. Some of them actually have husbands or brothers or boyfriends who require them to work at WalMart, when they'd rather do something else. Does this mean that you shouldn't shop at WalMart?

What's a worse job? Working for minimum wage at WalMart for 40 hours a week. Or an exceptional wage giving blow jobs to ten men a night and working LESS than 40 hours a week?

What fuckin' planet are we living on here?

Men like variety, I'm married. Three kids (two grown and through college. And I paid their way through it). I do my job as a provider and head of household. Who's business is it where I put my dick? I love my wife. She's my soulmate. I don't need, nor want, to fall in love with another woman. So I'm not going to go out and try to find "free" pussy."Free" pussy falls in love with you."Free" pussy calls you at 2am in the morning and follows you around."Free" pussy says it's okay to cum inside her and when you do, you get the clap. Or she gets pregnant. Or both."Free" pussy destroys marriages.

LOL."Free" Pussy, no such thing! Free pussy is the most expensive kind! Also. I'll tell you I'm a very muscular and decent looking guy. But if I trolled for the free pussy. I'd get all the hassles and headaches of it and would end up with only about "6" or "7" type woman.

I can pay to have a "10" professional woman on every trip I take. Go to a German FKK. I could run through at least 10 girls in a week without breaking a sweat. And all of them in the 8-10 range.

They don't follow me home. They don't call my house. And they make me wear a rubber. So I don't get the clap!

How is this dysfunctional? I want something. The woman wants something. I give her hers and she gives me mine. Sounds like capitalism doesn't it? My dollars are made here in the United States (a rich country). If I go to pay for a working girl in Moldava (a poor country). I'm transferring physical wealth from a rich country to a poor one. This wealth redistribution at it's finest and it helps poor nations (and poor people). It's really a beautiful thing.

Heh. I'm a big guy. I was born big and I used to work as a bouncer in a nightclub. I was born with physical power and I made money off that power.

Women. Beautiful women. Are born with sexual power. Yet they aren't allowed to make their livelihood off that power? What fucking principle of LIBERTY is that idea based on? WTF? Seriously.

Not all poor women enter prostitution. Only the ones who wish to. This trafficking shit is 99 percent garbage by the way. I know a woman from Russia who "trafficked" herself to Copenhagen to make big bucks as an escort. And now she's "trafficked" herself to Italy to make even more. She's damn good at what she does. She lays out on the goddam beach most of the day and fucks one guy a night and makes six figures a year. And she's a SEX SLAVE?

Give me a FUCKING BREAK.

Anyone who says what we're doing is wrong is either a fool, or jealous, or a control freak. Or quite possibly ALL THREE.

[Wayne Roberts]

That's not my theory. I don't hold mongering out as evidence of a "bad seed" or bad upbringing.

I meant things like dropping out of school, drugs, violent crime, dysfunctional relationships, failure to find a productive place in society.

Maybe some mongers fit that description, but most of us are just ordinary guys who want more sex and fun in their lives. That is as American as apple pie.

It is only the puritanical stream of America (which is currently pretty dominant, at least in public life) that treats this behaviour as unnatural or dangerous to society. Other societies (and time periods) are much more relaxed about this.

I agree that mainstream Americans would view our hobby as you describe, but we know better.

And not all mongers reject traditional relationships. Many just use mongering to supplement their everyday relationships. This does not make those relationships or people dysfunctional, in fact it is highly functional to create coping mechanisms to deal with problems / lacks in your life.

So I am guessing that mongers come from the same diverse backgrounds as any other segment of society. Actually, maybe a little more educated and elite and self-aware because we travel and immerse ourselves in other cultures and clinically examine the shortcomings in our own.

Most hookers report that the vast majority of their clients are married men or men in sexless relationships.

Contrary to it being the single loser who can't get a wife / girlfriend, its predominantly men in sexless relationships who are forced into the arms of prostitutes.

[Gentleman Travel]

As far as AWs I don't even date them any more. I have a steady black hooker "on call" for when I need a $60 blow job that she performs expertly and while being filmed. She's my little porn queen that keeps me happy in-between jaunts to Asia or Tijuana or elsewhere I am blessed to go for business trips.

I have a similar service provider. A big breasted French girl who does BBBJ CIM for $80. And when you establish that kind of cost / service base line it puts everything else in perspective.

I mean taking a girl out on a dinner date would cost more each time with a guarantee of no sex for the first several dates and not much chance of CIM even if you become regular lovers.

Still, I would date (and do, although limited since I am already married) but at least I know what my options are and what things are worth.

[D Cups]

How do you think I got to be as bad as I am? My mom always made me go to church 2 or 3 times / week. So I started hanging with a couple of other teenage guys from the church. Little did anyone know they were pimps on what was then Stewart Ave in Atlanta. And that is how I got my start. But I was able to escape that lifestyle when I graduated high school and moved out from my mom's and didn't have to go to church anymore. LOL.

Hi Mr. E and All. Nothing wrong with going to church (I do, almost every week) but I wouldn't join one. In the old testament it was quite common for wealthy men to have many wives and concubines and that was completely acceptable. I am not a religious scholar but the new testament seems to contradict the old testament as well as have many other inconsistencies. Most religions have mutated the bible or their version of the bible into some self-serviing, self-righteous, ritual-laden bullshit. Still, I don't know how anyone could logically challenge the existence of God even though He has a twisted sense of humor having created woman, so beautiful and yet so anti-man (at least in this part of the world). Sorry if I'm rambling.

As far as AWs I don't even date them any more. I have a steady black hooker "on call" for when I need a $60 blow job that she performs expertly and while being filmed. She's my little porn queen that keeps me happy in-between jaunts to Asia or Tijuana or elsewhere I am blessed to go for business trips.

We international mongers are much smarter than the average American married or single man because we have figured out that the only place we absolutely have to put up with AWs and all their self-centered, fat-ass bullshit is in the workplace. I wouldn't date a AW now if she paid me. They are not worth my time.

[Voyajer1]

Talk about going for the jugular! This is the price men in the USA must endure to get together with an AW. There ain't enough incentive to give up and give these AW the satisfaction of being manipulated into giving up all personal assets and sacrifices. This is plain BS!

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...eges-assault/1

[Chocha Monger]

This is why drugs and mongering are a bad combination. http://www.spike.com/video-clips/o0i...-em-bear-assed