American Women

[Gentleman Travel]

Easy answer. For me it is the ability and the willingness to pay. AWs are able to pay but refuse because to them the man is supposed to do blah blah blah. Many of the foreign women you speak of are not able to pay (although sometimes they do when or what they can) , but if they were then they would. And that is what makes all the difference in the world. Just like when you go to court you can be charged with murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. Hell, somebody is still dead in either case, but it all has to do with intent. And AWs don't INTEND to pay for shit as long as there is a man around!

*P. S. Sometimes I do make foreign women pay as well if I know they are able.

I think you guys who are whining that AW and others ought to pay when you are dating them, or that foreign women should, are barking up the wrong tree.

The problem isn't that the man has to pay, or even that he has to pay with no guarantee of sex at the end.

The problem is that he has to pay and get a lecture on women's equality and stereotyping at the same time.

It is the hypocrisy of AW. That there are no "gender roles" in today's society. At the same time as expecting to be supported, whether on dates or in marriage or after divorce, that is the problem.

The old model of Man as Provider (of financial / material goods and security) and Woman as Provider of Home Comforts (cooking, kids, sex) still operates in many countries and is a good model for many of us.

When you date a woman in Eastern Europe she expects you to pay for dinner (as well as take the lead) but she knows that she is expected to be beautiful and lady-like and (maybe / eventually) provide sex.

And it usually works out that way. No matter how well educated she is or income level, she will do her part if you do yours. Sure sometimes they will offer to pay, or will pay for the small things, but that is more to demonstrate that they are not a total leech, rather than trying to balance things out.

If you want to be the dominant person in a relationship, you need to assert yourself and paying is the easiest way to do it.

You just have to make sure that your date is keeping up her half of the bargain. Which is not guaranteed sex, even in EE. But playing up the feminine role, with all its fixings.

If she shows up in track pants and messy hair and complains about the way she is treated by men, then abandon ship.

But frankly, I see much more of the reverse. I woman with a good job, who is probably paying her way, dressed to the nines, out with a guy wearing a t-shirt and baseball cap.

And he is probably on this web-site complaining about AW!

[Sawassdee]

I don't think this woman ever brought Phil Ivey a drink while he earned his place in the Poker World. I don't see any woman taking an NBA player on, taking a hit during a football game, take a punch during a boxing match; yet, there is a laundry list of former athletes broke as hell because of some woman taking them to the cleaners in our courts. There is just way too much to lose with an AW and our courts are making it legal. For women, its like taking candy from a baby.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/ex-wife-of-...136458598.html

Wow! Helluva article. Greed is a motherf-ker. High dollar award alimonies are outrageous, the majority of the recipients find themselves flat broke quickly due to 1) overspending with everything including on friends and family (showing off. I meant celebrating the courts fair descion) 2) Never have earned any any real money in the past they didn't realize it was not an endless stream of income like from an earning spouse.

Ex mel Gibsons wife; Soon to be New Example Tiger Woods Wife who recently purchased a 12 million dollar home and completely demolished it. She was a nanny before marriage now she has someone elses money to burn.

And I have to say this especially to the men. Read the comments beneath the articles and count the number of chumps (american men) that make the comments " that the men deserve to lose what they worked for beacause of divorce? Or even more they deserve to be taken back to court to satisfy an ex's poor judgement in spending and their greed?" Honestly it sickens me to watch them brainwashed by america's ridicules culture.

This is going to make some people (mostly frustrated chumps) mad but here it goes.

1. Any person big or small, male or female that bullies or puts their hands on someone with out warrant deserves to have their ass kicked regardless of size or gender.

Some people who think that they are Billy Badass have the fortune of one day meeting Billy Badass (without no one to protect them after theyve started the fight) and with no one elses guidance come to the realization that they are better at math or reading as opposed to provoking others. A lesson many women today are saved from learning.

2. Every child at birth needs to have a mandatory non invasive dna test, these children deserve to know who their real parents are. For ex. Heriditary health issues, extended familial knowledge and support as well as guidance and finacial support.

3. Not only should a woman have the right to her body with the purpose of choosing to having a child, giving a child up for adoption or aborting a fetus; But the man should have a right to choose his life not leaving it in the hands of the pregnant mother whom he may not have wanted to co parent with. Support the financial abortion movement.

4. In a divorce procceeding you should leave with whatever percentage you put into it. Child support will cover the children.

5. Child custody cases. Should allow the children to live 1 year at a time with the opposite parent if they or one opts to live within 50 miles of the other and the children attend the same school regardless as well as get rid of the support agreement in this case. And if one parent opts not to, fine let them recieve it and then pay the same amount to the opposite parent on their year. That would put a stop to false needs of more support.

6. Quit paying for everything, women like and want sex more than men, (the dick has value too, we all travel the world and know that women are freakier than men). Paying her to leave without drama or future drama is OK.

[DJ FourMoney]

I just think that in this day and age, the woman should pay as well. One thing is to buy sex for money in a straight transaction, another entirely is to have to pay for a non-pro. Pros can charge because they are real good at it. Normal women in my book just have to get it for free. I think that's a big part of the problem is that guys are stupid enough to pay for shit in a lame attempt to get into a girl's pants. Save your money and just go to the nearest incall! OR if you live in a sexually repressed nation get on a plane!

100% as Marc Rudov has said in America (or any country with a mature economy) mature parties show mutual interest and women should also offer to pay. If you (a man) thinks a way to woman's p*ssy is to open your wallet, you're an idiot. Who's the bigger horndog, women or men? I agree with Marc and I would argue look at how much sexual advice is constantly given to women and how many different types of massage devices are sold. Men buy porn and magazines and beat off, women imagine a lagoon with a waterfall in Hawaii. A friend of mine disappeared one weekend and that's what happen. They found a secluded lagoon in Hawaii, she took a picture of him under the waterfall and then fu*ked his brains out. She paid (flight for two from LAX to Maui).

If a woman your interested in can't afford to pay, stop dating broke-ass women! A woman dissed me because I had payed all the way up to dinner for all of us (her and her two sons) at a local restaurant, the only time she paid for ANYTHING that weekend. She complained how dare I make a single mother of two boys pay for dinner. She paid, I left later that evening, I got no pussy out of it and then she shacked up with some moron from North Carolina who already has a girlfriend, got her pregnant and then shipped his butt by bus back to NC after he spend the previous 6 months on her couch playing her son's PS3.

Some of these women deserve what happens to them.

[DJ FourMoney]

I don't think this woman ever brought Phil Ivey a drink while he earned his place in the Poker World. I don't see any woman taking an NBA player on, taking a hit during a football game, take a punch during a boxing match; yet, there is a laundry list of former athletes broke as hell because of some woman taking them to the cleaners in our courts. There is just way too much to lose with an AW and our courts are making it legal. For women, its like taking candy from a baby.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/ex-wife-of-...136458598.html

As the saying goes on ManWomanMyth. "What mine is mine and what's yours is MINE."

[Voyajer1]

I don't think this woman ever brought Phil Ivey a drink while he earned his place in the Poker World. I don't see any woman taking an NBA player on, taking a hit during a football game, take a punch during a boxing match; yet, there is a laundry list of former athletes broke as hell because of some woman taking them to the cleaners in our courts. There is just way too much to lose with an AW and our courts are making it legal. For women, its like taking candy from a baby.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/ex-wife-of-...136458598.html

[Bango Cheito]

Easy answer. For me it is the ability and the willingness to pay. AWs are able to pay but refuse because to them the man is supposed to do blah blah blah. Many of the foreign women you speak of are not able to pay (although sometimes they do when or what they can) , but if they were then they would. And that is what makes all the difference in the world. Just like when you go to court you can be charged with murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. Hell, somebody is still dead in either case, but it all has to do with intent. And AWs don't INTEND to pay for shit as long as there is a man around!

*P. S. Sometimes I do make foreign women pay as well if I know they are able.

This is a conversation I was just having with a Brazilian woman 2 seconds ago:

12/24/2011 4:37:21 PM dafni: now I want one second change (supposed to be "a second chance")

12/24/2011 4:37:40 PM mrenternational x_x_x: I do not think I will come back here anyway. Too expensive

12/24/2011 4:37:51 PM dafni: wow well I can pay your cost

12/24/2011 4:38:10 PM mrenternational x_x_x: we will see. Beijo. I have to go take shower now

I just think that in this day and age, the woman should pay as well. One thing is to buy sex for money in a straight transaction, another entirely is to have to pay for a non-pro. Pros can charge because they are real good at it. Normal women in my book just have to get it for free. I think that's a big part of the problem is that guys are stupid enough to pay for shit in a lame attempt to get into a girl's pants. Save your money and just go to the nearest incall! OR if you live in a sexually repressed nation get on a plane!

[Mr Enternational]

You hit nails on the head bro. But I can't help but play the and try to be more objective, and give thought to the fact that we do the p4p in our monger stations around the world. If we are going to use the argument that we are disgusted because AW don't pay / reciprocate, and claim our company is just as good as the womans, why arent we using that argument with foreign women too? Our time and companionship with foreign women is just as valuable as theirs? But yet we pay, and don't expect them to pay. Sure we can say, because the woman is giving us sex in return. But still we are paying for their time and companionship, even though we are claiming with AW our time and companionship is just as valuable. See the double standard we put ourselves in?

Easy answer. For me it is the ability and the willingness to pay. AWs are able to pay but refuse because to them the man is supposed to do blah blah blah. Many of the foreign women you speak of are not able to pay (although sometimes they do when or what they can) , but if they were then they would. And that is what makes all the difference in the world. Just like when you go to court you can be charged with murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. Hell, somebody is still dead in either case, but it all has to do with intent. And AWs don't INTEND to pay for shit as long as there is a man around!

*P. S. Sometimes I do make foreign women pay as well if I know they are able.

This is a conversation I was just having with a Brazilian woman 2 seconds ago:

12/24/2011 4:37:21 PM dafni: now i want one second change (supposed to be "a second chance")
12/24/2011 4:37:40 PM mrenternational x_x_x: i do not think i will come back here anyway. too expensive
12/24/2011 4:37:51 PM dafni: wow well i can pay ur cost
12/24/2011 4:38:10 PM mrenternational x_x_x: we will see. beijo. i have to go take shower now

[Chocha Monger]

you hit nails on the head bro. but i can't help but play the and try to be more objective, and give thought to the fact that we do the p4p in our monger stations around the world. if we are going to use the argument that we are disgusted because aw don't pay / reciprocate, and claim our company is just as good as the womans, why arent we using that argument with foreign women too? our time and companionship with foreign women is just as valuable as theirs? but yet we pay, and don't expect them to pay. sure we can say, because the woman is giving us sex in return. but still we are paying for their time and companionship, even though we are claiming with aw our time and companionship is just as valuable. see the double standard we put ourselves in?

i don't think we should be kidding ourselves. if these aw were offering sex on the dates we initiated, and were paying for dinner and drinks, we wouldn't be saying jack about our time and companionship being as valuable. we would pay and be happy. and this whole thing of being taken advantage of by aw would be a non issue. we don't care that much about paying, we have a problem not getting what we expect to get for our efforts. and aw know all too well that we arent paying simply just to get to know them better. were paying because we want pussy plain and simple. the bottom line is, the pussy game in america is full of unwritten and unspoken expectations. we are taking a chance with aw and losing most of the time in the process. but where we monger the terms and expectations are usually a lot clearer and the reciprocation more likely (not necessarily good quality or performance) without any worries of looking like a nasty bastard for wanting sex.

i don't disagree that there would probably be a lot less grumbling about being financially exploited if aw gave sexual access in exchange on a consistent basis. however, even in cases where sexual favors are granted to males in return for resources and time, the trade is usually disproportionately in the favor of the female. even monkeys trade food in return for sex so human females may be wired to expect something other than a fair exchange of time and companionship for sex. the difference between foreign and american women lies primarily in the cost of the relationship to the man and manner in which he is treated in that relationship.

one cannot ignore the fact that american women have managed to put the laws and courts in their favor by default on matters of reproduction, child custody, alimony, property division and child support. even with modern forensic techniques men will face an uphill battle proving innocence in cases of allegations of assault, sexual harassment and [CodeWord123]. in fact, even in cases where men are exonerated the stain of having been accused never goes away.

in fairness, foreign women are not a panacea for the state of gender inequality in the us. many men have been cheated out of houses, condos, cars, money and land by foreign wives or girlfriends. yet, a man taking some basic precautions to protect his wealth will generally find it easier to have a relationship with women outside of the west. some foreign women can just as materialistic as american women but they usually don't expect the man to wait on them in addition to bearing the financial burden.

overall, men will find life a lot simpler without the sacrifices involved in living with or being legally tied to a woman no matter what happens to be her culture or nationality. trying to find a stable match of personality, attitudes towards money, and life goals between a man and a woman is no easy business.

[CherchezFemme]

You've been Tebowed! Merry Christmas and happy holidays everyone

[Wrx2005]

Westy:

You made some wonderful points, the most poignant being that American women did not stop upon achieving equality with men but continued beyond that point. Now if one side goes beyond being equal then that is not equality by definition but rather a new status quo. Just as Hitler had convinced Neville Chamberlain that he had no greater ambitions beyond occupation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia, so American women had convinced their men that they sought nothing more than economic and social parity. American men bought into the equality deal. Women entered the workforce, politics and many other areas of American society previously considered the domain of men. However, after being given access these women began to use their gender in combination with laws meant to protect them from discrimination in the workplace to eliminate the males who they could not compete with on an equal footing. Women now had jobs and advanced degrees but they were still demanding and receiving preferential treatment in divorce courts. Alimony, child support and custody were favorable to women by default. Men were still picking up the check at restaurants and paying the tab at bars. Women scorned men who expected them to bear part of the expense of dating. They slapped men in the face and threw drinks on them, all acts of assault and battery, while filing ex parte domestic violence restraining orders to have boyfriends and husbands removed from the home. Soon virtually every man knew someone who got put through the works by a woman who wasn't paying on a level field. Men looked at the rampaging females with alarm. Some started taking action to protect their careers and assets. They realized that women don't want to be equal to men. They want to dominate men while being catered to as they have been in the past. Not long ago I listened in dismay as a little girl said, 'Boys are always supposed to pay. '

American women believe that men should always pay and men generally do. Why is that? As a man do you consider your time and companionship any less valuable than that of a woman? If American women do not need a man why are men paying? Why are American women always Pushing for marriage?

You hit nails on the head bro. But I can't help but play the and try to be more objective, and give thought to the fact that we do the p4p in our monger stations around the world. If we are going to use the argument that we are disgusted because AW don't pay / reciprocate, and claim our company is just as good as the womans, why arent we using that argument with foreign women too? Our time and companionship with foreign women is just as valuable as theirs? But yet we pay, and don't expect them to pay. Sure we can say, because the woman is giving us sex in return. But still we are paying for their time and companionship, even though we are claiming with AW our time and companionship is just as valuable. See the double standard we put ourselves in?

I don't think we should be kidding ourselves. If these AW were offering sex on the dates we initiated, and were paying for dinner and drinks, we wouldn't be saying jack about our time and companionship being as valuable. We would pay and be happy. And this whole thing of being taken advantage of by AW would be a non issue. We don't care that much about paying, we have a problem not getting what we expect to get for our efforts. And AW know all too well that we arent paying simply just to get to know them better. Were paying because we want pussy plain and simple. The bottom line is, the pussy game in america is full of unwritten and unspoken expectations. We are taking a chance with AW and losing most of the time in the process. But where we monger the terms and expectations are usually a lot clearer and the reciprocation more likely (not necessarily good quality or performance) without any worries of looking like a nasty bastard for wanting sex.

[Bango Cheito]

They need to invent a BCP for us.

Condoms. I guess depends on the brand. I've never had a problem with them. I was a teenager in the mid to late 80s when AIDS went all over the globe and I watched classmates die from that shit so I learned early on, wrapping it up is the way to go!

[Sawassdee]

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/celebs-26...-27181092.html#crsl=%252fvideo%252fcelebs-26594247%252fwill-and-kate-s-move-feed-baby-rumors-27181089. html.

first aledged father was her boyfriend, that didnt pan out to well. now bieber raped her. lol

"i don't recall having sex with anyone else around that time." the accuser.

my eyebrows are raised to the top of my head. (singing) for the love of money, people would statutory [CodeWord123] a superstarr. yea

[Mr Enternational]

But lets stop Bsing ourselves, we know that condoms create limp di@k syndrom the majority of the time used which means no sex for you. And when you do use them lack of feeling creates even more pressure to start the highlight reel in your head in order to keep an erection. Women have 20 + contraceptive devices in every variety or form possible. You have 2. Condom (lack of enjoyment) or vasectomy (no children ever in the future). Not pointing fingers but damn sometimes you have to open your eyes and recognize the game that being played on you.

They need to invent a BCP for us.

[Sawassdee]

she's probably lying anyway. she probably thinks she can get some hush money. notice how she says "he must be the father because she can't recall any other sex around that time" or some such shit. i am paraphrasing here. but it's interesting how the paradigm has changed. you say she is a ****. i got involved in a sexual relationship with a 27 year old woman when i was barely 15. did she seduce me? probably, but i was totally up for it. this was the mid 70s and the prevailing opinion was that it was my fault because she was married. i certainly did not feel "raped." she taught me what i needed to know.

i would say, looking back, that it could be said she "ruined my life" but in my particular case, my life was so fucked at that point that the "negative" aspects such as: i could never go back to my home town, her husband wanted to hunt me down and kill me, and i did not speak to anyone in my family for six more years, paled in comparison to the positive aspects. i did not go back to my dysfunctional family and i learned to fend for myself. i developed good sexual skills and a basic understanding of the positive and negative aspects of women, and i never looked back.

i wasn't a virgin; she was my third sexual experience. i doubt very seriously that bieber is / was a virgin and if he is / was he is not taking advantage of his fame. what is the point of being a famous musician if you don't get any pussy out of the deal? it's not like he was some innocent kid in an isolated environment. more like a greedy be! tch than a ****, to my way of thinking. let's see how it all plays out. why would she wait until she gave birth to go after him?

sad part is it doesn't matter if she's lying or not she's still coming out on top. i bet she was paid more than $25k by the tabloid for that story already.

[Sawassdee]

Good points. But there is a different outlook when the woman is the predator. With that being said, I'm sure we all had teachers that we would hope would fuck us. Personally I don't see the teacher as being the predator. My sick mentality says, that if I found out my sons teacher was fucking him after class, I would negotiate a deal where I could get a Tuesday piece of the action. But I would not tolerate a daughter fucking her teacher. Honestly we look at men getting forbidden ass as opportunistic, but vise versa its predatory. Go figure?

Hey Gogo, if you're sick then I need to be hospitalized. I truly would be looking for my opportunity as well.

I think the underlying issue with our daughters sleeping with older men truly fall on the support factor for her and potentially their baby. Parents believes that a young female virgin is a good thing and for her to lose that she should be wedded to a man that will support and treat her kindly. Even we as grown men we treat virgin adult women differently, typically with much more kindness than we show other people. Truth is no father wants her in his home with her baby. They want her in the home of the schlep who introduced her to sex, married and being treated kindly. Then its more acceptable.

Its true we are viewed as predators, but ask yourself the obvious those who have sisters- Why is it girls get to sit in the company of women from the time they can talk listening to the schemes and scams while boys are dismissed by dads when men get together? Whos really the predator?