American Women

[Chocha Monger]

Not marrying them won't help.

Women will just moan and groan until the laws get changed and you will have to split your assets after dating them for a year wether you live with or marry them or even if you don't.

Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

A woman who is intent on getting hold of a mans assets will find a way or a gulliable man.

That would be a very far stretch. If women were to try and get the laws to give them half of a man's assets simply because he dated them for a year it would be recognized for what it is, prostitution. Women are not entirely stupid either, they would realize that such a move would mean the end of a steady supply of free dinners and gifts. The law wouldn't get very far once men start refusing to take women out on dates and opting for one night stands as the relationship of choice. The only people fucking in the country with such a stupid law would be the lower classes. The wealthy men will travel abroad for sex and the rich girls will be relegated to fucking blue collar workers. The later is not such a bad idea. Anyway, the native born population would go into a serious decline along with society. Once civilizations start going to extremes their collapse follows rather quickly.

[Sasha Coffee]

Not marrying them won't help.

Women will just moan and groan until the laws get changed and you will have to split your assets after dating them for a year wether you live with or marry them or even if you don't.

Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

A woman who is intent on getting hold of a mans assets will find a way or a gulliable man.

[Bango Cheito]

George, I wasn't talking about the sankies. I was talking about Latin men thinking gringas are ATTRACTIVE and FANTASIZING about them.

Rock Dog, don't forget one important point, especially since you're writing from Canada, in that country once you have been shacking up with a girl for 6 months, you are automatically married in many respects in the eyes of the law. I had a friend in Toronto who played house with some stripper for just over 6 months, next thing he knew AFTER he got signed by a major label and his band got a nice advance to record from the label this fucking biatch appears out of nowhere, sues him and WINS. She even got half his PAID OFF house! So keep your own distinct address and careful about letting them crash too much :P

BTW in Colombia and Brazil the laws are much the same as they are in Canada, but the length of time is longer (2 years).

[Rock Dog]

Regarding recent posts about men not wanting to get married....

I'm 100% in agreement with this. The idea of a so-called marriage strike is absolute genius! Hit them were it hurts and deny them any chance whatsoever to get at you through legal means. Then you can negotiate terms from a position of strength.

No man in his right mind would (or should) ever consider marrying a western woman. If you must, find yourself a woman from some part of the world where marriage still means something. Treat her with a reasonable amount of respect and don't screw around on her (or at least keep it to a low-key minimum). You aren't anywhere near as likely to end up in some no-fault, feminazi legal nightmare.

I suppose another safe wayto get married would be to put it off until you can afford to expatriate and then get married in another country where the divorce laws aren't so insane.

Sometimes I think there are women out there who have their divorce plans made up before they even meet the victim... er, guy that they end up marrying. This makes me think of something I heard about Tom Cruise. There was a rumor that part of the reason he divorced Nicole Kidman was that he knew she'd be able to take him to the cleaners if they got divorced after being married for more than 10 years. So he struck first, and got rid of her before the "price" got too high. The guy might be a wacko, but he ain't stupid.

Rock

[George90]

I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.

I can GUARANTEE you no Colombian or Brazilian guy is fantasizing about American pussy, especially if they ever spent any time here. It's just so much easier to get laid PERIOD in those countries. Guys that aren't getting any there are not likely to make it to the US and if they get here they aren't getting anywhere near a decent-looking woman I can GUARANTEE you that!

While Bango is partly correct regarding how women look, he is incorrect about the fantasizing. I have read accounts about Latin men, mostly in the Dominican Republic, looking to hook up with American women. The going joke was that Dominican men were into the 3 Bs, blonde hair, big boobs, and a blue passport. Latin men chase AW for the same reason that many Latin women chase us, the opportunity to marry and move to the US!

Other Latin men who prefer to stay in their countries do the same thing that Latin women do; they string AWs along and persuade them to send money overseas. The men who do this are called sankies. They chat up fat ugly AWs and tell them how beautiful they are but need money to help their sick mothers, etc. etc. and the AWs oblige.

There is a movie about how overseas men prefer 'rounder' women, called "Phat Girlz". Some overweight Black women who are dissed in the US go to Africa where they are worshipped.

[Capt Ajax]

Or maybe, our women in America are opening their legs for every guy that crosses the Atlantic?

Ezinho you might have a point with this statement. While I was studying in London many years ago it was pretty easy to pick up young AW, many of whom were backpacking through Europe during the summer.

[Capt Ajax]

I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.

I agree........Unfortunately most guys overseas assume wrongly that all AW here look like the women portrayed in the Hollywood movies. A complete falsehood IMHO.

[Ezinho]

i'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about north american women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.

i agree with bango that it's a laughable notion that guys in south america are fantasizing about western women. maybe they do have a desire to bang certain hollywood celebrities, but how realistic is that?

having said that, i actually have met some *european* guys that do seem to like american women, believe it or not. one was a british guy who was a roomate of mine for a brief period of time in brasil. he had been to the states once before on vacation and apparently he did quite well for himself with aws; according to him, they loved his english accent, and after a spending an evening in the bars he always seemed to pull a "hot bird". keep in mind he was on vacation in florida, so i think that had something to do with it. but he actually was looking to return to the u.s. someday, and was asking me about the best place to meet women in california. i was actually speechless for a moment, since he was asking me this while we were living in brasil! but he really liked aws.

then, when i was in ecuador, i met a swedish guy who had lived in the u.s. for about a year, and he liked aws as well! in addition to having good luck in the bars, he also said he liked the strip clubs in the u.s. and specifically commented that "every city in the u.s. seems to have a strip club, even little towns out in the middle of nowhere". he also mentioned that prostitution in sweden was illegal.

i've never been to europe, so i can't compare women. i would like to point out that both of these guys seemed kind of dumb to me, so i never really put much value to what they said. maybe it's just the concept of leaving one sex prison for another, since the uk and sweden both seem repressive when it comes to sex, much like america.

or maybe, our women in america are opening their legs for every guy that crosses the atlantic?

[Bango Cheito]

I've never been to SP but prices I have seen and heard about people paying range from R8 to R800. I think it's more all over the map than Rio is price-wise, but any price point can be found. Can't say I could say for certain what R8 would get ya though, if it's anything you'd wanna touch even with someone else's dick :P

I can GUARANTEE you no Colombian or Brazilian guy is fantasizing about American pussy, especially if they ever spent any time here. It's just so much easier to get laid PERIOD in those countries. Guys that aren't getting any there are not likely to make it to the US and if they get here they aren't getting anywhere near a decent-looking woman I can GUARANTEE you that!

[John Pokes]

I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.

[CBGBConnisur]

Yeah but in Colombia you could get the same woman for 1/10 of what you would pay in the US, whereas they earn in the bigger cities maybe 1/5 of what you'd earn in the US.

I wouldn't say Colombian WGs offer a better GFE than American WGs though, In my experience they are pretty much neck and neck. Brazilians (IN BRAZIL) are far and away above both of them for that.

The big cities in Brazil are EXPENSIVE, and I don't think good Brazilian women are in any way easy, they have no problems marrying a good husband from their own country at all. I have run into large groups of students in Australia who come from Brazil, these people are obviously from the upper classes, and they are totally nose in air types. These Brazilians are pretty much 90 percent white European, and often have some rather racist attitudes too, Brazil is pretty damn racist, even the most rednecky parts of the Southeast US are nothing in comparison. Rio has reasonable providers but those in Sao Paulo are up in the sky expensive.

[DJ FourMoney]

hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.

World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.

-zing

No Problem and I don't discount local vs overseas...

All I can go on is this -

Its been said before but I visited a LPN in Nevada and was quoted $700 for unlimited positions and as many "pops" I can have without clock watching but I would assume that would be an hour. I also assume CBJ, No Anal and more than likely some limited movement.

Compare that to flying to Europe in the off-season which currently is much less than $700 US R/T from LAX. Where if you economize, you can get $70US in a Germany FKK and get everything but Anal (in 1/2 hr) and it can vary from pretty darn good to outstanding GFE.

I got GFE once, ripped off another time and PSE another time. Between that, it was RLD "Quickies" and by the end of my 10 day stay in Frankfurt, I was basically tired of fucking...

All for about $600US at the time I went (this pass summer)

Locally, my goodness, you can't get that kind of value at any price, unless you go down to Mexico.

I'm not saying your experience is on the level of "Even a Blind Squirrel can find a nut" mentality I'm was just pointing out that maybe your experince would be best shared in the STR forum as I believe the main focus of this forum is American Women for LTR and why that's such a BAD IDEA.

[Doctor_Skank]

Daddy not so dearest

Australian men's groups are calling for mandatory paternity testing of all newborns as it emerges a record number of men are finding they are not the fathers of children they believed to be theirs.

Almost a quarter of paternity tests conducted by one of Australia's largest DNA laboratory companies show the man submitting a sample is not the father, compared to an estimated one in 10 "exclusions" 10 years ago.
The number of tests taken in Australia has doubled from 3000 in 2003 to more than 6000 last year.
Thousands of men are turning to DIY testing kits - available online - to discover whether they are the biological father while they are still in a relationship and without telling their partners about their suspicions.
Some have brought up children to adulthood or paid tens of thousands of dollars in maintenance to the Child Support Agency (CSA) before finding out they have no genetic link.
Australian Men's Rights Agency co-director Sue Price said: "People's lives are being ruined by this. It is not just the men, it's the children who grow up thinking one person is their father and then find out it's someone else.
"In the future, more and more health treatments are going to be based on genetic technology, so it is going to be even more important to know who your biological father is.
"Mandatory testing would get rid of all these problems."
The DNA Bio Services lab conducts more than 2000 such tests a year from the sale of its DIY kits.
New 2007 figures compiled by the company show that one in 4.5 paternity tests exclude the man as the biological father - a record high since DNA testing began 10 years ago. Managing director Gary Miller said: "The increase is across all social classes and ages - it affects everyone.
"Before, a lot of the work was for men who had been contacted by a woman or the CSA for maintenance and wanted a test to prove they weren't the father.
"Now we see a lot of men in a relationship or just out of one who are just looking for reassurance that they are the father and then find out they're not and are completely devastated."
Under Australian law, the family courts will only order a paternity test if there are reasonable grounds to doubt that the estranged partner is not the biological father.
The CSA does not require proof of paternity beyond a birth certificate or acceptance by a man that he is the father. This means some men pay tens of thousands of dollars through the CSA before finding out they are not the father.
Even if they have brought the children up for years as their own, they are then denied any legal rights of access to them.
Some experts say the proportion of negative paternity tests reflects the fact that the men coming forward already have reasonable doubts, and that of the entire population, only 1 per cent of fathers are not the "real" parent.
Professor Margaret Otlowski, deputy director of the University of Tasmania's Centre for Law and Genetics, said: "I don't think mandatory testing is a good idea.
"I can see the argument from the point of view of creating certainty about parentage, but it would stem from a very suspicious premise and there would be huge implications in terms of relationships."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4278228a19716.html

[Zing23]

hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.

World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.

-zing

[DJ FourMoney]

hi all,

I have spent 2 years mongering with colombianas in st maarten, once or twice a week, usually 3 girls per day. Cost is $40-$45 for 20 to 30 minutes CFS. DFK and BBBJ and other GFE is not common unless you repeat with the same girl, say about 20% BBBJ on the first visit (this is important to me). They have to session with at least 3 guys per day to pay their costs, at least 6 to make any money. An hour session costs $60 TO $100.

in this high volume brothel environment, it took me a long time to work out a scheme for eliciting GFE: give massages, bring latin music wiith me on my ipod to play in their room, give small gifts like CDs, and a few other tricks.

after fine tuning my strategy for 2 years I spent 12 weeks in the USA.

Yikes! Very few Colombian women when I was located. Smallish town (100,000 people).

For similar comfort and safety level, I decided I could only go with escorts that had been in business for a while. And they wanted about $300 for an hour. At first this seemed outrageously expensive versus $100, but when I compared the level of regular salaries in colombia with USA, $300 is actually aoout right to entice girls into the work.

I visited with about 20 girls in my small town and 3 in a large city nearby (where I used the most prestiguous agency recommended on some US boards).

My conclusions:

1. in small towns, the sex workers tend to be less beautiful than in the large city, for same price. this makes sense, not as great a population to draw on for workers and clients. many were older (mid 30s or more), or had some weight on them, or were skinny. didn't run into any obvious druggies at this price level. the colombian girls that come to st maarten average younger and cuter, but not by that much. the real stunners stay home in colombia. and the girls I visited in the big city were very good looking and gave great service.

2. 90% of the girls offered BBBJ without even being asked.

3. I used the same exact strategy on American workers as Colombians. Romantic music, massages for their sore backs and feet, small gifts, etc The results were very good. I had great sex with almost every one. The two best looking ones were not that great (one was 18 and had only been in the business a few days and the other was a brazilian with the best body i have ever touched, but not much sexual skill). In spite of my american friend's gloomy predicitons, I got the same reaction from American girls as Colombian. GFE service.

4. Unlike with latina girls, there was no jealousy or attempts to make me their exclusive "boyfriend". That was a relief.

So american working women are not so bad. (I have also mongered in German FKK clubs and in Singapore and in the Phillipines).

-zing

Shouldn't this post belong on the Short Term broad?