American Women

[Sinanju Master]

point taken.... however, remember that IF one is not cautious about marrying foreign women (making as sure as possible that her character is a sterling one) and ends up letting his little head do the thinking for his big head, he could end up in a situation that would prompt him to post to this very board and going back to Square One.

Myself, I already have my road map plotted and it involves a foreign woman. While I wouldn't TOTALLY refuse the long-term relationship possibilities with an AW (I'm sure that there is a specific grain of sand on a gargantuan beach to be had) The stars would have to be perfectly aligned.

[George90]

George90,

You mentioned LatinEuro. They have a section in their site complaining about IMBRA..... any new developments there?

Rock

An immigration attorney who has a petition against IMBRA says that IMBRA is in full effect. The INS has a huge backlog of visa petitions because they didn't get the new forms ready in time and had to send out the new forms to men who had already sent in petition on the old forms. A judge in Atlanta does have a restraining order against the Federal government from enforcing IMBRA but this lawyer says that RO is ONLY for the agency (Russian Encounters) that filed it.

In addition, NOW and others feminist groups have succeeded in extending IMBRA. In June, a law was passed that takes away the right of any man convicted of a sex offense from EVER petitioning for a visa for his foreign wife. That means that if you were ever arrested in the US for using a prostitute, you would not be allowed to file for a fiancee or spousal visa for the rest of your life!

There is an IMBRA III in the works. Rumor has it that it would require US men to disclose IMBRA I stuff to American women too.

[George90]

Yes, the horse is dead and the carcass is stinking to high heaven which is why we've got to keep putting the word out. Frustrated and disgusted American men are not a minority just a terrified non-vocal majority. Many more tales of horror abound on the net and many of these guys haven't even considered an alternative. Take for example the experience of a poster by the handle of CleanStarving, from Madison, WI. His story follows below in his own words:

"I am a 36 year old male experiencing the same issue. I like to be fair with both women and men.

CM,

Your example is heartbreaking. The husband is no longer a man, if he ever was one at all. He has abdicated all his civil and even human rights just to please his wife. And what does he get in return? Thrown out of his house, Thrown out of the life of his child. And accused of some sort of abuse due to uncontrolled anger.

It is a real shame that he and many other men either don't know their rights and don't feel the need to excercise them.

[George90]

I can understand the desire to vent. It DOES feel very good. But it doesn't accomplish very much. After we have vented, we may feel better for a little while but we are still stuck with hostile AWs. The only way to BE better for a LONG while, as opposed to FEEL better for a little while, is to get the alternative to AWs, foreign women. We haven't been doing enough of that.

I also understand the need to get the word out. Only a few non-military AMs, appreciate the benefits of foreign women as wives, and they (we) are too afraid to speak out much due to the feminists who portray AMs seeking foreign wives as sex offenders.

I just feel that carping on how bad AWs are, without offering any solution, makes us look exactly like AWs. How may times have we borne the brunt of a complaining AW, who then makes us GUESS at what she wants, and finally complains more about our attempt to resolve the issue? I, and we, do not want to give of THAT vibe!

Mick Jagger sang, long ago in 1978, that "American girls want everything in the world you can possible imagine". 25+ years later not much has changed. But we men can change discussing better alternatives, foreign women. There are hundreds of marriage agencies that introduce western men to ladies from Latin American, Asia, and Eastern Europe. I am not a shill, so I name several competeing agencies when I talk about this. There are other threads for "Marrying Foreign Women" and "Dating Agencies" so maybe I should encourage more posting there. It just seems that this thread is most active. I hope that's not because we are only interested in venting and not in improving our sex/love lives.

[Chocha Monger]

Yes, the horse is dead and the carcass is stinking to high heaven which is why we've got to keep putting the word out. Frustrated and disgusted American men are not a minority just a terrified non-vocal majority. Many more tales of horror abound on the net and many of these guys haven't even considered an alternative. Take for example the experience of a poster by the handle of CleanStarving, from Madison, WI. His story follows below in his own words:

"I am a 36 year old male experiencing the same issue. I like to be fair with both women and men.

I had been married for 8 years. Initially my wife and me had intercouse every day. Then I realized that she don't want it every day. In One year it reduced to once or twice in a week. Then I started jerking off when she is not available. Until she got employed we did it once or twice every week. After she got employed it became once every week.

Three years back we had our first baby. She didn't ask for an intercourse for three months. Then I encouraged and lured her into it. But she wants it only once in one month now. If I express my desire she will tell she will give it in the evening. In the evening she will tell she is so tired..can we try tomorrow?...and I got satisfied once in a month..no complaints from my side still...but I tried to lure her more which she took it as forcing and started threatening me...

She cut off me saying that I don't have any right to touch her without her agreement... I was little bit confused but still we had intercourse once in every 6 weeks...but I didn't had much freedom ---because she just wanted to do the things she wanted... she liked only one position and no explorations or variety were allowed...

But every time we had an intercourse she enjoyed it and I could feel it from her sound and her desire for more orgasm... But around 8 months back in october 2005 she started avoiding me totally... After three months of waiting I turned towards porn movies for satisfaction.. still being faithful for her...
One month back she started pulling things from past and started threatening me for the porn movies I am seeing. She didn't like it at all.

I wanted to be faithful to her. I haven't fucked anybody other than her in my life... now she wouldn't allow me to touch or even express my desires. She is OK otherwise... and she don't like me spending time with my baby...she comes and snatches the baby...The baby is doing healthy.. but I had to separate from my wife to avoid more problems. The seperation is for 6 months which my wife wanted. She says if I want to see the baby more than once in two weeks I can go to court and get permission.
But there is no legal separation..

I don't hate my wife. not even surprised... but everything happening here is a mystery for me... my wife is not telling me why I need to separate from baby and me... she says she needs 6 months to think whether she needs to continue marriage or not... meanwhile her conusellor contacted me and told me to work on my anger..."

[Artisttyp]

I agree this thread has been very helpful to me in understanding the situation. Since I've been doing alot of traveing I can see first hand how all this information relates.
Plain and simple it's a good way to vent with people who have the same issues.

[Sinanju Master]

at times, it can seem like beating a dead horse, but then again some stories come along that must be told. a case in point is the list of attributes one woman demanded must be met in order for a man to be to her liking. i won't go over it again, unless some of the fellow posters didn't catch it, in which case, i'll post it again and entertain them. it is a way to vent, and as long as it stays here and doesn't spill out into public where it can cause problematic interaction, then it's harmless. also, you may have noticed there are a lot of new posters to this particular board who find a common bond established by those of us who have been here for a while. it relieves them of the burden of reinventing the wheel, when all they have to do is to jump into an already established conversation and contribute their input. it's a matter of one's point of view; if you feel it's a dead horse being beaten, no biggie. gravitate to other pastures and godspeed. also, notice that there are times when someone offers one of many possible solutions that are quite valid, so, it's not all about carping about aw's.

[Rock Dog]

George90,

You're right, we do a lot of complaining about AWs in this forum. But sometimes, it just feels so GOOD to vent all that resentment that builds up.

Don't sell the forum short! We cover a lot of topics as the weeks go by. There have been a ton of posts on the exact one you mentioned. Foreign wives ARE a superior option to the local girls. In fact, I went and got one for myself a while ago.

If you know what to look for, you'll probably see that tons of guys are doing this. Look around and, after a while, you will see what I like to call "The Disproportionately Hot Woman". That's what I call it whenever I see an ordinary guy with a reall hot woman. Often, there will be a noticeable age difference.... 10, 15 even 20 years or more. Also, these girls can be asian or latinas. Eastern europeans such as russians or ukrainian girls are a bit harder to spot be they're there. Just look for the tall slim blonde ones.

It's not always the case. Sometimes it's an AW who's still young enough to get suckered in for the Badboy/Rebel/Player type (yet another topic we lover to discuss). But lot's of the time it IS the case.

You mentioned LatinEuro. They have a section in their site complaining about IMBRA..... any new developments there?

Rock

[George90]

...who are intensely focused on controlling and manipulating their husbands to stick with them, giving them lots of love, sex, happiness, and of course, money and material things.

I feel your generalization is most appropriate for North American women. It is nonsense for the majority of foreign women. I mostly know Latin women. I monger in Latin America and have had Latin girlfriends. There are LOTS of good, decent Latinas very available for marriage. Even the pros are decent women, at least the ones that I have been with.

There is another thread on marrying foreign women. I have mentioned this before a few times. Foreign women, on average, make much better wives than American women, on average. We KNOW this!!!! Complaining about AWs is not the proper, intelligent response to the woeful lack of marriage material in the US. Seriously looking for Latinas to marry IS the proper, intelligent response.

There are many agencies that cater to men looking for foreign, or specifically Latin, wives. Some are Latin Social Network, Latin Euro, All Colombian Girls, My Latin Rose, My Latin Flame, My Foreign Bride, Cali Charm, A Foreign Affair, Brazil Romance, Latin Encounters. I could go on.

Let's talk more about alternatives to AWs as wives and lovers, rather than continuing to harp on how awful they are. That horse is dead and stinking. It is time to get on and ride a better one.

[Chocha Monger]

One of my dear friends is caught in the web for a third time. However, this time there will be no escape. This black widow is more proficient than the others. She throws coil after coil of strong sticky silk around him binding him tightly as he trashes wildly to no avail like a common housefly.

I swear that I can hear his screams and desperate pleads for mercy above the crunching sound of chitin as her mandibles snip off pieces of his exoskeleton. Poor bastard! I told him he was flying too close to the web but he thought this one was different and grew over confident.

Two jobs, one day one night in order maintain her and the new kid in a gated community, new SUV, premium health coverage, full cable package, designer furniture, trips to theme parks etc.

[One Wing Low]

There've been lots of posts on this exact topic.
I USED to think that it was us guys that were calculating. But that was back when I was young and naive.
Rock

...who are intensely focused on controlling and manipulating their husbands to stick with them, giving them lots of love, sex, happiness, and of course, money and material things.

Most husbands feel like a butterfly, caught in the strong web of a black widow, unable to get out, being eaten alive, piece by piece, everyday.

The black widow would never understand why the butterfly is resentful and deadly fearful of her. She feels strongly that she has the rights to entrap and to carve up her prey to fill her stomach, and she doesn't give a flying shit who's hurt and who will die.

[Chocha Monger]

Guys

I am off to Pattaya in a few days. Maybe ye can help me with this question. Pattaya has more slappers per square inch than anywhere else in the world. The young hookers love all those innocent, kiddy type clothes, light pastels, teddy bears, Hello Kitty, Harry Potter stuff. Why do the world's most hardened hookers wear the world's most innocent clothing? What is in the female gene that gets them to camoflage their obvious fangs so much? Are they dreaming of a lost innocence? Is it a woman's thing or what?

Actually, it's a combination of things. One being that mongers tend to avoid hardened pros so a little sheep's clothing is necessary to draw them in to what they perceive to be an innocent lamb; once the she-wolf sets her fangs in the neck of the unsuspecting monger it's too late to attempt an escape. It's biological mimicry at it's best. Remember that females tend to be more efficient predators because they need more resources to feed the young. Pattaya is an environment rich in prey; herds of clues sex tourists provide much needed resources. One can pretty much call Pattaya the Asian Serengeti.

Another reason is that females are all fascinated with anything having to do with the young. It doesn't matter how hardened they happen to be kiddie stuff always gets oohs and aahs. Women don't fully grow out of certain aspects of their childhood mentality, perhaps it helps them relate better to the young during child rearing. Observe the similarity in a woman's behavior to that of a child when you tell her that she cannot have something she wants.

[Martians]

Guys

I am off to Pattaya in a few days. Maybe ye can help me with this question. Pattaya has more slappers per square inch than anywhere else in the world. The young hookers love all those innocent, kiddy type clothes, light pastels, teddy bears, Hello Kitty, Harry Potter stuff. Why do the world's most hardened hookers wear the world's most innocent clothing? What is in the female gene that gets them to camoflage their obvious fangs so much? Are they dreaming of a lost innocence? Is it a woman's thing or what?

[Chocha Monger]

Hey Rock,

All along you thought you were the one doing the screwing but you were getting pegged, and hard! Ironic isn't it? Spent your whole life believing that boys were nasty scheming little creatures who passed every minute thinking about the best formula for pulling down the nice girl's panties. Dad was the bad guy keeping horny little Johnny away from his precious Peggy because he didn't want her getting knocked up. In reality he was just saving Johnny's little clueless ass from starting out his adult life paying child support.

I'll tell you something. In college the girls only talked about one thing during class breaks or group work, and that was getting married and knocked up but not necessarily in that order. More than half were preggers by the third year of school.

[Sinanju Master]

Well done, young padawan! Revealed, the Dark Side you have. Forever vigilant must you be, or fall to its influence you will!