American Women

[Sinanju Master]

Opening and running a strip club comes with a lot of problems. Among them are:

- Dishonest employees who will rip you off.
- Prima Donna dancers who may be unreliable
- Competition who will try their best to destroy you
- the Public (as discussed before)
- Law enforcement
- the infiltration of drugs into your club,
which will give the public the excuse to get LE involved

The average strip club (as of 1998) pulls in about $5M a year. One VERY successful strip club was the Gold Club in Atlanta. I went there before it was raided because of prostitution issues (with a LOT of sports celebrites) and a host of other problems. The Gold Club raked in $20M a year. The owner was incarcerated (for tax issues, also, I believe) and it is now under new management. There are other successful clubs in Atlanta (the South, mind you), but they all have access to quality legal help. They seem to have worked out the bugs inherent to the business, BUT remember, if you are the new kid on the block, THEY are your competition. They will have the advantage of reputation, length of time in the business and resources. DON’T get me wrong guys, I’d LOVE to see a small, upstart club make it big on the merit of their service, but KNOW what you’re getting into before the business sucks your money faster than an AW intent on making you pay for the lobster dinner without the intent of reciprocating.

[Chocha Monger]

So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...

There is usually a lot more beneath the surface than it seems. In places like Mexico it not simply a question of the law saying that you can open a club and then doing it. In order to get the legal wheels turning you must grease them first, and that means paying a number of corrupt officials tamales/mordidas (bribes) just to get them to do their jobs in the first place.

Competing establishments have been there longer than you and therefore have better connections. They have no interest in seeing you succeed and will likely make it difficult if not impossible for you.

Then there is the security issue. The narcos might think that your establishment is a good retail outlet for their wares and you will have to find a way of keeping them out without getting caught up in one of their wars.

There are also chica management and liquor license issues. I guess guys with enough money to start a venture like that figure that there are easier ways to make money without all the headaches.

[DJ FourMoney]

Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:

1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, once could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...

2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...

Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...

Lack of knowledge is mostly the reason. The brothel industry in Nevada hasn't had a new idea since the Hover Dam was built. Basically the thought is - "If it ain't broke..."

They get an influx of women from Southern California usually those that wouldn't do well vs. the high priced talent in this area. Or women from markets with plenty of providers but hardly any high paying consumers.

How Dennis got the powers that be at HBO to have an actual SERIES about his brothel is beyond me. That is the new puritan thinking you have in America at work.

Anyway, a Terma style brothel in Nevada would blow the lid off its competition in minutes!

When word got out that you didn't have to fly down to Brazil or out to Europe or Thailand to get PSE and GFE at reasonable prices and the girls make PLENTY of money and are happy, you couldn't stop the men from coming in and the women from trying to work there...

Why somebody hasn't done it is beyond me and like I said, I think its safer to just copy what others are doing, instead of striking out on your own and putting monster money into your brothel and being unsure of your return if you do so.

That's what stops the current brothels from being 4 star resorts they could be given the money available in America...

[Sinanju Master]

SF is and always HAS BEEN apart from such religious nonsense. It's pretty much an area of free thinkers and a "live and let live" attitude. However, there are pockets of the country (the SOUTH, for example) where if you are not of the prevailing religion, then you are suspect.

Money must ALWAYS be an issue because you will have to defend yourself in court against some ******* who feels it is his civic duty to rid the community of the "filth" that your enterprise represents. Defending yourself means LAWYERS. They are sharks in and of their own right and will represent a SUBSTANTIAL portion of your operating expenses in order to STAY in business.

A strip club would be easier to operate and keep open than a FKK, because if ONE customer decides to be an asshole, he could alert the constabulary and they would send in someone undercover to bust it up. I've kept abreast of such activity occurring in Florida. The owner of the club in question is slipperier than an eel and has always prevailed, but that doesn't dampen the resolve of the RELIGIOUS WRONG. You wouldn't BELIEVE the bullshit rules the city in question have imposed upon the club. Also, GET THIS; in a meeting of the public and city council, a stripper of said club once busted on a member of the city council, stating specifically that he was a regular customer of the club he was attempting to shut down.

[Ezinho]

Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation.

Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:

1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, one could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...

2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy American (or Mexican, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...

Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...

[Bart9000]

There is a young lady I work with. She's 21, and pretty with big whopping monster tits. Consequently she has had every man in her life throwing themselves at her feet, and she has an unbelieveable princess mentality.

She also has a severely overdeveloped case of the "hot boys, hot boys" thing. Guys who she doesn't consider "hot" (pretty, rich, sexy, "bad and exciting"), barely register with her as HUMAN, let alone as potential dating partners.

I'm very glad to report that she today got shit on and DUMPED, Some guy (doubtless a rich prettyboy asshole, who can pick and choose among 20 girls at any given time) literally told her that he was deleting her phone number, and she couldn't call him anymore.

I'm sure that after throwing her little snatch at these guys for a couple of years, she will decide that "men suck".....it's all our fault as a gender after all

B9k

[DJ FourMoney]

Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation. The god-damned MAYOR even killed the possibility of an already established New York strip club from setting roots down here, 'cos he HEARD RUMOR of mob ties. I'm certain he didn't even actually look into it, but that was enough to bring down the guillotine on the idea. To add to THAT, there are a couple of popular strip clubs on a very popular (an actually upscale and civil) street that have had their renewal requests denied for their leases. I can hear the marching of the boots of the feminazis even as we speak... To pull it off, one would have to have a LOT of luck and a LOT of lawyers willing to go to bat for you. Battling the forces of the Anti-Sex League (a little "1984" reference for those of you who have taken the time to read said book) would be taxing upon even the most SUCCESSFUL enterprise. What citizen sitting on his ass at home is gonna deny a little girl crying (on cue) about the "evil" that such an establishment could bring upon their neighborhood? I saw such a telecast a few years ago and the acting by this little faker was hilarious! That's how LOW the Religious WRONG is willing to go. Instead of arguing the point on merit, they will circumvent that and use their kids to GUILT you into denying said enterprise. Don't get me wrong; if such a venture succeeded, I'd be a regular customer. However, I enjoy my anonymity and I don't want it compromised by some fucker who wants to bash a bible over my head and tell me I'm wrong and he's RIGHT.

This is the wrong forum for the reply I have, go over to the Mortality Of P4P board and check out my reply there...

[Capt Ajax]

I mean these places are makeing millions and they don't offer anything but a tease. I don't get it? Why the hell do these guys spend 100s if not 1000s of dollars on a tease. The american male needs to wake up and stop being content with lap dances from girl who care nothing for you and demand that places excist for them to get sexual relief

I agree.......I just can't understand the American fascination over Strip Clubs. These strippers often call the guys who frequent these clubs walking ATM machines i.e suckers. It's all one big tease and in the end you end up going home with nothing to show except a much lighter wallet.

[Sinanju Master]

Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation. The god-damned MAYOR even killed the possibility of an already established New York strip club from setting roots down here, 'cos he HEARD RUMOR of mob ties. I'm certain he didn't even actually look into it, but that was enough to bring down the guillotine on the idea. To add to THAT, there are a couple of popular strip clubs on a very popular (an actually upscale and civil) street that have had their renewal requests denied for their leases. I can hear the marching of the boots of the feminazis even as we speak... To pull it off, one would have to have a LOT of luck and a LOT of lawyers willing to go to bat for you. Battling the forces of the Anti-Sex League (a little "1984" reference for those of you who have taken the time to read said book) would be taxing upon even the most SUCCESSFUL enterprise. What citizen sitting on his ass at home is gonna deny a little girl crying (on cue) about the "evil" that such an establishment could bring upon their neighborhood? I saw such a telecast a few years ago and the acting by this little faker was hilarious! That's how LOW the Religious WRONG is willing to go. Instead of arguing the point on merit, they will circumvent that and use their kids to GUILT you into denying said enterprise. Don't get me wrong; if such a venture succeeded, I'd be a regular customer. However, I enjoy my anonymity and I don't want it compromised by some fucker who wants to bash a bible over my head and tell me I'm wrong and he's RIGHT.

[DJ FourMoney]

Many of the guys that have you scratching your head don't know any better. They don't know that on other shores exists MUCH BETTER pickings and that they don't have to be slaves to the hypocrisy of American Women or to put up with the stranglehold on the pussy supply that they have created and enjoy to our detriment. Welcome aboard!

What's even better is these guys also think you being a monger, sex tourist, international traveler that bangs overseas honeys, et all; that your desperate and have "no game".

I gave up on US strip clubs frankly when the talent level started to go south. Since these are often breeding grounds for up and coming porn vid talent, the influx of women that move to Cali in hopes of directly going to porn and bypassing the "dancer" stage of their careers has had an effect on the quality of woman being employed by such establishments.

Last time I went several years ago, the talent was horrible compared to the late 90's IMHO. I could pick up these girls at the local mall if they didn't have their noses so far up in the air and that's when it all hit me that even the average looking women demand "princess" treatment from men and often get it...

An American FKK could work, somebody just has to have the nutz to do it.

[Sinanju Master]

Many of the guys that have you scratching your head don't know any better. They don't know that on other shores exists MUCH BETTER pickings and that they don't have to be slaves to the hypocrisy of American Women or to put up with the stranglehold on the pussy supply that they have created and enjoy to our detriment. Welcome aboard!

[Streetlooker]

The USA already has there form of FKKs. There called strip clubs. Now it seems that a lot of american men are content with spending huge amounts of money on no touch, semi nude lap dances at strip clubs in most cities around the country. Millions of male patrons crowd these places every night and all seem rather content. I mean these places are makeing millions and they don't offer anything but a tease. I don't get it? Why the hell do these guys spend 100s if not 1000s of dollars on a tease. The american male needs to wake up and stop being content with lap dances from girl who care nothing for you and demand that places excist for them to get sexual relief Like our european and asian brothers. Its not going to happen though But I don;t give into the lap dance fund.

[Sinanju Master]

I found out this broad was already married once when she was 18. She's 27 NOW and the wedding is planned for November 11.

[DJ FourMoney]

I love your idea, but in addition to the CONSERVATIVE whackos mentioned by Havanaman, you would also have to worry about the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth ultra-left wing feninazis who would "shine a light" on the oppression of the women who would be in your employ. Also, a combination of the two groups would more than likely post the photos or videos of the guys patronizing the place for the general public to see. In my opinion, as far sex is concerned, this country is like a village of ignorant fucks who gather with their pitchforks and torches in order to storm the castle of those who are not like THEM. Also, can you imagine if your establishment got off the ground and the media network of Pat Robertson decided to latch its fangs into your little gold mine? That would be the kerosene he would need to keep his fire and brimstone going.

It can be done. All I can say is, it can't be all high and mighty. It has to be down, dirty and ghetto.

Keep it street and while you might not have the polished imagine you want to project in the media, your clients will know the truth.

[DJ FourMoney]

hey guys

just wanted to drop in and say hi. no trips for me anytime soon. maybe in a couple more months.

djfourmoney - thanks for some help you given me but please just take this damn trip already. youve been planning this damn thing for like 8 months now. just take the plunge.

keep well guys.

As with anything its a MONEY issue. I will buy my first of at least 2 tickets (one to get there, one once inside Europe) at the end of the month come heim or high water.

Its a done deal.

Details to follow as my it becomes closer to me actually leaving... Alot still up in the air.