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07-08-02 04:24 #215
Posts: 1479USBabe, In a weird way, I kind of like you. Do you know why? You just keep reminding me of what it is that I find wrong with American women. You just made reminded me how much better I have it in Europe, and that's why I'm moving there, permanently. I rather be married there in a less hostile environment. Oh yeah you quoted my comment on I having issues with racism. Well you really wouldn't be able to understand that, being the spoiled rich woman(you said you went 3 times last year to Paris, that can cost a small fortune) you are living in your sheltered world. Ever heard the expression once bitten twice shy? Most of my views are not prejudgements, they're based on my experiences. I feel dating is easier in Europe, much easier. And go ahead you can just say European men look better than American men. Its no secret, heck, when I visited Holland last year, I thought the concierge at my hotel looked like Brad Pitt, not to imply anything on that, but I couldn't help but noticed that he seemed a little too good looking to be a concierge. I am equal opportunity. Lets face it life is short, and I don't put up with shit and I have putten up with a lot of shit in my life. When I was in Europe I just couldn't believe how attractive I found women to be. And on top of that, their friendliness and openness, highlighted their physical beauty. I'm a real nice guy in real life, and a softie, my soft mannerisms seem to strike a chord with the European females. In fact most European women prefer softness in male partner to machismo and assertiveness. In America, its the reverse, a man has to be a macho assertive guy to meet women. I always wondered why when I was in college so many of the best looking women I knew dated football players. They just seem to love aggressive pricks I guess. Some people like one thing and they can hate another thing, its called free will.
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07-08-02 04:15 #214
Posts: 60Ciao... It was nice having ya around.
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07-08-02 04:08 #213
Posts: 60Well Dickhead... as I don't really care about numbers that much I will simply tell you that quantity does not equal quality. A student of a Canadian community college (less esteemed than a university) with a 3 year degree in architecture is able to take a test for US certification. If they pass, they're in... passed a course that's four years at a US university. Also: Why does the US so actively pursue Canadian nursing students? (Sorry RN... not that kind of nursery... although I'm sure you'd be welcomed). A better quality education is key... not diplomas handed out like trinkets to support college football teams and inflate the national numbers to look good on the international stage. Besides... when was the last time you heard of metal detector in a Canadian high school?
This topic did start as a reasonable one... education. The American education system teaches an abstinence platform which pretty much flies in the face of human sexuality. Coupled with, as someone else said before me, false puritanism; the American Woman is bound to come out with warped attitudes about sex. The guys are constantly shown scantily clad women on every ad, TV, pop can, and matchbook; thus developing a false impression of what a woman is.
But we've been over this one before...
as always, I'm...
Fedup
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07-08-02 03:14 #212
Posts: 23Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
I feel my ethnic background makes me a target of discrimination in the US.
I doubt it feels good. But there IS something you can do. Open your mind and treat people as individuals instead of lumping them all together to fit whatever molds you've fabricated for them.
Just as people of one heritage aren't all the same, neither are all women of one nation. It's no crime to prefer one type of woman, but to squeeze all American women into one small narrow box is no different from squeezing all American men into the same one either. Billy Joel, Bill Gates, Tommy Lee (Pamela's ex -- I'm not sure if that's his name), and many other American men are not exactly conventionally handsome. Shall I then say that American men cannot hold a candle to their European counterparts? Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and an entire slew of scumbags are American men. Shall I then put you in the same boat and claim that all American men are violent and hateful?
No, I like men and know and appreciate that they come in many varieties! And I also realize that ultimately what's on the inside is far more important than what's on the outside. A lousy attitude cannot and will not ever overcome even the body of a Greek god.
CBGB, I have no doubt that this message will infuriate you to no end. But, before you fly off the handle again and start calling names and spewing venom, please take a very long look in the mirror. You're treating others the way you hate to be treated. You're digging your own social grave.
One can lie to the world and get away with it. But as soon as we lie to ourselves (but more importantly, continue to do so), our lives are worthless. Intelligent people with willpower, determination, and hard work can persevere and WIN! I've personally always looked up to men for their strength. Strength comes in many forms. Those who admit their faults, open their minds, and grow and learn will be admired by far more women than they may ever realize.
This is my last message, and I will be unable to read any more forum. To those who have been open-minded and polite to me, I am most grateful. I wish you lots and lots of mind-blowing sex with the wonderful women you deserve!
Ciao.
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07-08-02 02:56 #211
Posts: 3359Well, to put it back on topic, the first full-time teaching job I had was in a small town where I did not know a soul. Xmas break arrives and I decide to celebrate at one of the few local bars. There I run into an American Woman who is a grad assistant (but not a teaching assistant) in our department (but does not work for me). I have barely met her. We have a few beers and she says she is thinking about going to one of the casinos in an adjoing state. She asks me if I am familiar with casinos and/or gambling. I tell her I used to live in Nevada and the casinos there make the ones in State X look like a toy. She suggests we go to State X, a drive of several hours. I say, hey, aren't you engaged to Student Y (not one of my students nor personally known to me)? She says yeah but I'm pissed at him. Dickhead has not knowingly fucked a married woman since reaching the age of majority (before that it's their fault, right?) but engaged is another story.
So off we go and it's drink and fuck and suck and gamble for three days. Then it's time to go back and the guilt hits (her, not me; I have nothing to feel guilty about). Have you ever had a woman cry continuously for 350 miles?
SHE doesn't return for spring semester, Boyfriend X doesn't return for spring semester, and Dickhead gets the icicle treatment from the whole rest of the department. Department head says at the first meeting of the spring semester, "Well, grad assistant isn't coming back, thanks to Dickhead." Everyone in the room is staring at me. No idea whether she told the department head or whether someone saw us making out in the bar or what.
This is typical of the type of shit American Women pull with their insecurity and their immaturity about sex. Probably she immediately told Boyfriend X the whole story. The pussy wasn't worth the subsequent aggravation and ostracism.
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07-08-02 02:49 #210
Posts: 2017Well, I should clarify -- the job itself was definitely not boring, nor the students, and I very much enjoyed teaching; I just find the university system as a whole moves far too glacially and annoyingly for me. And I generally prefer playing with live ammunition -- not that some students aren't made of that.
But this is waaay off topic.
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07-08-02 02:36 #209
Posts: 3359Well, if you want to get scarier, I am entering Year Six of teaching at universities, not counting being a grad assistant. The one I'm at now is definitely major but the others maybe not. I'm not bored yet, but maybe that's because I march to the beat of my own drummer and ignore what I'm "supposed" to do, or maybe it's because I keep teaching different classes in different subjects at different levels every year, or maybe it's because I blaze up as needed. Or, maybe it's because every other job I had before was arguably way more boring. I mean, I was a letter carrier for 8 years and I didn't think THAT was boring so maybe I'm just an earhole.
But I sure as hell wasn't an "early college entrant" as I did not take my first college course until I was 31 years old. I dropped out of 10th grade when I was 15 and began my mongering travels. I do have an undergraduate degree but it is completely unrelated to the fields in which I have been teaching.
However, the scariest thing of all is that my student loans will be paid off the exact month I am eligible for Social Security ... assuming there IS any Social Security and assuming I bother to pay them off instead of just leaving the country. Oh, wait a minute, if I don't pay them off they will deduct them from my Social Security check.
I always figured I'd die young but now it's too late ...
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07-08-02 02:11 #208
Posts: 2017Hmm, some scary similarities here, Dickhead. I, too, lack a high school diploma, as I was an early college entrant. (Did have to get the GED for a job once -- shook 'em up because I didn't take any of their classes and got a perfect score.) I took it one step further and technically never actually got my undergrad degree, as I never turned in a paper for a class a loooong time ago. Yet I also taught at the college level, both undergrad and grad level at a major university, for about five years, till I discovered I was as bored at universities as a prof as I'd been as a student, and the social penalties for wandering around there drunk or stoned were greater.
That said, I found my Korean grad students to fall in between what you describe with Japanese and Chinese (my opinion of whom mostly matches yours.) They also come out of a fairly regimented system and have all that overly-problematic classroom shyness and deference when in the American system, but for the most part they were far more creative, far more willing to take risks, and far more able to be critical thinkers about both our and their own societal constructs. And they're far more fun to party with than the Japanese students, though not as much as the Chinese. Can't speak to sleeping with any in that context, as, again, my rules are the same as yours.
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07-08-02 01:50 #207
Posts: 3359Originally posted by CBGBConnisur . Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study.
I've been far more impressed with my Chinese (PRC as well as ROC) students. They WERE fun to party with and weren't afraid to challenge my opinion if they disagreed with it. However, it is certainly possible that I was getting the very, very best of the brightest more so in the case of the Chinese than the Japanese. I've only ever had one Korean student so can't comment there but she was one of the best students I've ever had and a stone fox as well (I have never had sex with a current or former student and don't plan to = don't shit where you eat, but I can LOOK). Can't speak to science skills as that is not my forté.
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07-08-02 01:16 #206
Posts: 3359Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
Dickhead I see you have done your homework on Canada, I'm surprised there are few college grads in Canada than the US, especially since education in Canada is far less expensive. But those numbers are very decieving if you check the OECD PISA ratings. Canada has the one of the best educated students in the world. Reading, Math, and Science scores are the 3rd and 4th highest in the world. In overall performance in school, most European countries beat US students in their Math, Reading, and Science aptitudes. This year the US beat Italy and Germany in the PISA ratings (this creating a big uproar in Germany which has taken great pride in its education system). Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study.
Having said that, I will say that I think high school in the United States is way too easy, a great big joke in fact, and that's PART of the reason I accidentally disremembered to finish high school. I see functional illiterates in my college classroom all the time. It's very scary. Since I'm a dickhead, I just flunk them and leave the problem for other, more qualified people to address. To quote one of my own undergraduate professors, "all I can do about that is apologize."
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07-08-02 01:04 #205
Posts: 3359Now on to who's fatter. It took a while to find consistent definitions. Defining obesity as having a body mass index greater than 30%, and using obesitycanada.com as my Canadian source and the Center for Disease Control as my US source, 1996 statistics for Canada say 12% of Canadians are obese while a far greater percentage of Americans, 19.8% are obese according to 2000 data. 35% of Canadian men are defined as overweight and 27% of Canadian women. I started to read the US statistics for a further breakdown but became sickened and disgusted, so I stopped.
So, FU, to oversimplify, it appears you have more dropouts but we have more lard asses. Comes as no surprise to me.
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07-08-02 01:03 #204
Posts: 1479Dickhead I see you have done your homework on Canada, I'm surprised there are few college grads in Canada than the US, especially since education in Canada is far less expensive. But those numbers are very decieving if you check the OECD PISA ratings. Canada has the one of the best educated students in the world. Reading, Math, and Science scores are the 3rd and 4th highest in the world. In overall performance in school, most European countries beat US students in their Math, Reading, and Science aptitudes. This year the US beat Italy and Germany in the PISA ratings (this creating a big uproar in Germany which has taken great pride in its education system). Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study.
FedUp, I guess its a matter of you say to-ma-to and I say ta-ma-ta, maybe the foriegn accent makes someone more attractive to you, it certainly doesn't hurt. But I feel that is only part of it, and how the women holds herself in her whole being is more important. I recently visited Montreal, and just could not believe the proportion of beautiful women in that wonderful city, in fact it was higher than in Vancouver. But overall, I just feel sex and romance is the pits in the US. There are simply too many barriers between people these days. FedUp, you also mention xenophobia, that is a major issue for me, since I am, for lack of a better term, pigmentally challenged, I am part Mexican part Japanese, and I feel my ethnic background makes me a target of discrimination in the US. I feel if I approach someone of another background they often see my outside ethnic appearance and immediately move away. I happen to live in New York, which by most means is fairly tolerant, but there is a lot of xenophobia in NY which makes my life difficult, and I feel there is far less xenophobia in Europe and Canada, a contrast to the way it is in the US. Although California maybe a bit of an exception but not too much.
Also I find your Europe vs. USA diamond and coal analogy on the money but I have a more drastic opinion of woman finding in the US, when you mine for diamonds(the right woman) in the USA, it costs you about $200 per tonne of coal vs profits of $100 per diamond, In Europe, diamond mining costs you about $20 per tonne of Coal vs profits of $200 per diamond. Meaning women and romance in Europe is CHEAPER and BETTER!!! This is especially true for sexual services, as in most European countries prostitutes cost as much as one tenth as they do in America. Take for example Germany, I go to an FKK and pay a simple 50 Euros for the sex of my life with a amazing beautiful woman, in a brothel in NY a women approaching the same quality will charge me anywhere from 400-500 US Dollars and on top of that the service 99.9 % rarely approaches Germany, so you pay a lot more for it in America and you get less satisfaction or profit. That is a major difference.
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07-08-02 00:44 #203
Posts: 3359A fairly quick search seems to indicate no obvious differences in the educational levels of high school teachers in Canada vs. the US. However, further examination of the census data (trust the government and its data as much or as little as you like) shows that as of 1996, 21% of Canadians aged 20-29 had NOT graduated from high school, while only 12% of Americans aged 25-29 had not graduated from high school. The US census data refers to high school graduation levels as being "stable" at 85-88%.
2.22% of Canadians 15 and over had master's degrees and 0.46% had earned doctorates. I know from my own research that the percentages in the US are over twice as high for master's degrees (appx 5-6%), but again fairness requires me to emphasize that the only figures I have found for Canada are for those aged 15 and over.
However, only about 20% of Canadians are between 15 and 24, inclusive, indicating that even when adjusting for the differences in the age brackets, the percentage of Canadians with advanced degrees is still lower.
So: Lower percentage of high school graduates, college graduates, AND persons with advanced degrees in Canada as opposed to the United States. The women here still leave quite a bit to be desired, and you sure as hell don't need to be real well educated to either be a hooker or to enjoy their services.
Just defending my native country as best I can. No offense (or offence!) to the beautiful country of Canada.
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07-08-02 00:02 #202
Posts: 3359Originally posted by joe_zop
Dickhead, while I agree with you to some extent about the value of people who speak from massive direct experience, people with brains as well as dicks (and, in the case of RN and USbabe, with alternatives to the latter) are in short enough supply that I'm loathe to scare any of them off
Sorry, don't understand your comment about "brains as well as dicks"; you mean there's a difference? I thought dicks were for thinking with and brains were to be used as a hat rack.
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07-07-02 23:56 #201
Posts: 3359Originally posted by Fedup
CBGB... As a Canadian I can tell you that you are, in my estimation, only half right about Canada. Yes... there are more fat slobs in the US (and the largest in Canada cannot compete in the same class as the largest in the US) and I think the reasons are that 1) Canadians are better educated (as you mentioned)
According to these sources, 35% of Canadians 15 and over have less than a high school diploma, while 84% of Americans 25 and over are high school graduates. The difference in ages makes this comparison a bit shaky.
Again according to these sources, 17% of Canadians between 25 and 64 had university degrees, whereas 26% of Americans 25 and over had bachelor's degrees. Since the Canadian website says that "The 1996 Census showed that Canadians continued to attain higher levels of education, a trend observed since the early 1950s," it can be inferred that the number of Canadians 25 or over with university degrees is lower than 17% in total (adding in those 65 and over).
Granted, education and ignorance are not mutually exclusive, and based on my fairly limited experience in Canada, I do agree we have more slobs in the US. But, at least based on these numbers, we are better educated slobs!
If you have some other numbers that support your claim, I'd be interested to see them, truly. Next thing I'm gonna research, if I can find it, is the relative educational levels of the high school TEACHERS in the two countries.
In the US, educational levels vary fairly widely across geographic areas. My guess is the same is true of Canada. For example, Arkansas has the lowest percentage of college graduates (I think the number was 16% but don't quote me; maybe it was 18%) while Colorado is the state with the highest percentage, approximately double Arkansas' percentage (36% I think but I didn't write it down; anyone interested in the exact number can go to the website). Although, it should be noted that the District of Columbia has an even higher percentage of college graduates than Colorado (again, these numbers are based on those 25 years of age or older).
Dickhead does his homework!