American Women

[Mr Enternational]

My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.

People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".

I agree with you totally Artist. Try talking to some Ethiopians and you will gain no ground. I am able to penetrate some cultures because I speak certain languages. But the average American guy would be shit out of luck unless he encounters a girl in such a situation that Climax has described - one who feels she can move up on the social ladder by being with the guy, which as you said is their primary reason for being here in the first place - Money/Status. If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice. But if they realize their chances of "success" may be increased then they will date out of the community.

From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys...

[ThatGuy865]

while people might generally follow stereotypical patterns with respect to status, race, religion, age etc, it doesn't mean that one can't get lucky! the chances are way better than for those foolish people who are trying to win the lottery week by week. so, i'd say to lugalzaggizi. keep on going. no harm in trying.

you stated it yourself "people generally follow stereotypical patterns" that's all i was saying.

we are speaking in generalities here. of course there are exceptions to every rule.

shit i was fucking milf's when i was in my 20's. but i wouldn't have dated them. they were booty calls. we went places. my peers didn't go or hers. but that was about fucking. and most women. again speaking in generalities. think / want relationship not fuck buddies.

i too as i stated in my earlier post. agreed if lugalzaggizi keeps it up. sooner or later. he will find a babe who will say yes.

its just most guys don't want to take that day in and day out rejection. if he can handle it. which it appears he can. i say keep on keeping on.

i don't know if you guys ever heard of "ugly george". he used to walk manhattan and would convince women to strip for him on the spot while he video them. so if he could do that. i'm sure lugalzaggizi. will get a number.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/ny...ty/10ugly.html

mr. urban was no ordinary ladies' man. he was known as ugly george, and he roamed manhattan in an open-chested silver vest and short-shorts, wearing a huge silver backpack full of early videotaping gear. he approached women in the street and tried to wheedle them into the broom closets of midtown office buildings. (his trademark come-on was, "let's flex into a dimly lit hallway.") then he coaxed them, camera rolling, into taking off their clothes. he also sometimes persuaded them to go to his apartment, a crimson-sheeted basement lair.

[Climaxnow]

My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.

People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".

This is not necessarily true. From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys and were more quick to break American social controls of age.

You guys are making weird comparisons as if a white wall street banker wants anything to due with an uneducated Columbian freshly arrived in America. Unless, of course, she is very hot and twenty years younger. (Smiley)

[Artisttyp]

Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...c?s=t&ld=1032.

For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.)

Very true. I am "white" but not nordic. I thought using the term nordic would sound less crude. However in this politically correct world maybe not.

My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.

People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".

[Clandestine782]

You see it all the time in NYC. Usually ethnic groups trapped in a nordic world stick to themselves. They don't need the stresses that the white man brings. Most times their culture is more civilized than what is presented to them in daily nordic life. Latin people in NYC tend to be attracted to other latin people and rarely mix. I don't blame them. They have a good looking race and their own culture.

IMO people don't like to mix as much as we are made to believe. The "melting pot" is a lie. The "money pot" is more like it.

L-

* Walking up to strange women in manhattan is nuts. I give you credit. Your practice will pay off when you travel to more a civilized dating scene. BRAVO.

Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link: http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...c?s=t&ld=1032. For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.)

[Bareback Jack]

As for a 45 yr old guy expecting 20 yrs to really want to be with him. In your 20's would you have dated a 45 yr old woman. I seriously doubt it. And if you think most 20 yrs old in other countries are doing it. Becos. Well they respect older guys. Yeah right. Get real. Its becos they "think". You have money (perception is reality). Whether you do or not and that goes for those EE / Russian girls too.

With all due respect I think your point of view is a bit extremist. I used enjoy banging a 40-something Czech ex-model when I was in my twenties and there is really plenty of MILF. The other way round I had a really hot summer romance with a Chinese girl from Shanghai who was 24 at the time when I was approaching 50. Her father bought her a million $ penthouse in Shanghai for her 18th birthday and she was definitely financially independent. Money was not an incentive to her. She wouldn't have agreed to marry someone of my age but she didn't mind fucking me for some months until she went back to China.

While people might generally follow stereotypical patterns with respect to status, race, religion, age etc, it doesn't mean that one can't get lucky! The chances are way better than for those foolish people who are trying to win the lottery week by week. So, I'd say to Lugalzaggizi. Keep on going. No harm in trying.

[ThatGuy865]

being well off financially is not entirely the reason why american women have a poor attitude. some of the poorest women in the united states have the worst attitudes and are among the most unapproachable. i teach in an inner city school. do you think the female students in my school have pleasant attitudes? their family incomes put them in the working poor and working classes, certainly putting them in financial need. when they graduate high school they live financially distraught lives, especially when going to college. are they receptive to men that approach them of whom they don't know and are not part of their social mileu? are they going to go out with a guy that works on wall street? certainly not. and i know this for a fact, for when they graduate they get on my facebook page and i see exactly how they act and who they date by their posts. they usually date men in their ethnic and racial group as well as socioeconomic status, even the hot ones that could get wealthier men.

i would venture to say there are many reasons why low income women stay within their own socioeconomic status. for one. a low income woman would feel completely out of place at any function a wall street / professional person would take her. can you see her at a party of his peers talking about investments, wearing clothes that cost more than her family spends in a month. not knowing what to talk about with any of them. or at a restaurant. thinking what the hell is le coq de vin or escargot? and why i got so many forks

besides that. how many wall street types would even approach a girl of that status. when they can seduce women of their own status.

just becos a women is beautiful does not mean she is date material. fuckable yes. also do you think she want to be someones fuck toy. knowing full well. he's not going to bring her into his world. if she's beautiful. she will get the best of the lower to middle income guys and feel comfortable in that status range.

also. where are they suppose to meet. would he be at one of her functions. would he be willing to go to her "hood" to hang out with her friends? i doubt it.

not very many guys use your approach running up on strange women any where and every where. so where would they meet? .

so yes most people date in their socioeconomic status. becos its safe, comfortable, where they know how to act.

same with ethnic groups. date mainly within their own ethnicity. becos its familiar. asians with asians. latinos with latinos. blacks with blacks. whites with whites. of course there are some from every race who integrate. but for the most part most don't.

i'm sorry to tell you guys but most women don't walk around just looking to fuck a stranger and go. most want relationships.

can you blame a women for not accepting an offer from a strange man. women have to worry about being raped, beaten and robbed. this is what a woman has to consider when a strange man runs up on her. the guy doesn't. you've never heard of a man being held as a sex slave in the basement of a house. but you have heard of it happening to several women.

that's what make your approach so outlandish. but eventually you might find a aw who is bold enough to take you up on your offer

good luck with that.

tg out

[Artisttyp]

that's an interesting point. it is a similar situation in london where i found that most girls from low income groups (those living in council estates) date mostly guys from the same background. it appears to be more peer pressure however than anything else. white young girls in the uk generally regard older men as creepy, while black girls from middle class families tend to be happy to date successful white middle aged men as they are fairly happy to trade up in terms of socioeconomic status.

you see it all the time in nyc. usually ethnic groups trapped in a nordic world stick to themselves. they don't need the stresses that the white man brings. most times their culture is more civilized than what is presented to them in daily nordic life. latin people in nyc tend to be attracted to other latin people and rarely mix. i don't blame them. they have a good looking race and their own culture.

imo people don't like to mix as much as we are made to believe. the "melting pot" is a lie. the "money pot" is more like it.

l-

* walking up to strange women in manhattan is nuts. i give you credit. your practice will pay off when you travel to more a civilized dating scene. bravo.

[Bareback Jack]

they usually date men in their ethnic and racial group as well as socioeconomic status, even the hot ones that could get wealthier men.

that's an interesting point. it is a similar situation in london where i found that most girls from low income groups (those living in council estates) date mostly guys from the same background. it appears to be more peer pressure however than anything else. white young girls in the uk generally regard older men as creepy, while black girls from middle class families tend to be happy to date successful white middle aged men as they are fairly happy to trade up in terms of socioeconomic status.

[ThatGuy865]

The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be.

So here you are saying they are not independent and need a man to feel competent. Basically they lack self esteem and need a man to validate their worth. Sort of like AW were in the 50's.

he final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself.

So you are telling me these women. You can pull up on these amateur Porn sites of AW (some with obviously hidden cameras). Some it appears are having fun (but I guess not. Since you say so)

These are women who don't enjoy sex. They are doing these video's ONLY to please a man. Let alone the millions of AW that don't do video's

How does America ever get Porn stars. Or are those the ONLY ones who like sex?

Are you saying somehow. Sexuality is not a part of a person's makeup. But that its where you live that determines whether you like sex. Women born in the USA some how get their sex genes turned off. They don't like sex. They only do it to please a man.

What about lesbians. Does this phenomenon skip them. Since they don't care about men. Do American Lesbians not enjoy sex too.

In the EE. Somehow. It gets turned on.

WOW. But I guess with American men. It don't work that way. The geographic location doesn't affect them. Only women.

Wow. You learn something new everyday they say.

D Cups.

Well, I see your point, ThatGuy, but it is not just financial need. Hell, I've dated millionaire AWs who have no financial needs but are tremendously emotionally needy. They are always selfishly whining about some damn thing. I don't see that in most Asian women. Latin women tend to be Americanized IMO but great for banging with that hot blood.

I would say you don't see that in Asian women. Because Asians period as a whole. Men or Women. Don't speak up on ANYTHING.

I work with in a company which is largely Asian men (only 5 Americans in my dept of 20). And if I had a dime for every time one of them told me they hated one policy or another and we then walk into a meeting and the discussion turns to the policy. All the Americans will voice their opinions. And not ONE Asian will speak up. They are timid by culture when it comes to speaking out or voicing a strong opinion. So yes. The women would be even less outspoken. So I can see your point when it comes to Asian women.

I too like Latin women. But they will give you hell just like an AW. Extremely jealous, hot blooded, and feisty.

Lugalzaggizi.

I understand your point. And if that is your view. Have at it. Keep on keepin on. I figure someday. You'll run across a woman that goes for you. I just would think. There are more effective ways about getting it done. But if you are happy with your success ratio. Then who am I to say anything.

As for a 45 yr old guy expecting 20 yrs to really want to be with him. In your 20's would you have dated a 45 yr old woman. I seriously doubt it. And if you think most 20 yrs old in other countries are doing it. Becos. Well they respect older guys. Yeah right. Get real. Its becos they "think". You have money (perception is reality). Whether you do or not and that goes for those EE / Russian girls too.

[Gentleman Travel]

This is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.

It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.

Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibate

I disagree that it is "merely a financial thing". Certainly many EE women are driven by that, but that is mostly in the P4P sector (which includes a whole range of options from hard-core pros to semi-pros to college girls who want pretty clothes). But the other part of "needy" for them is the availability (or lack thereof) of suitable men for dating, relationships and sex. They are not being chased the way American beauties (and even dogs) are, so they are less secure about their own value and value a "nice" western guy very highly, even if they don't expect such a relationship (or night on the town) to enhance their material lifestyle. The attention of an average western monger validates their self-worth, whereas AW don't feel that need.

The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be. They are not happy just building a career in their 20s, and being independent and liberated. For them to be single is a kind of failure in life. And the final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself. I have had EE women THANK ME after first-date sex, since they hadn't had any for months!

[D Cups]

Well, I see your point, ThatGuy, but it is not just financial need. Hell, I've dated millionaire AWs who have no financial needs but are tremendously emotionally needy. They are always selfishly whining about some damn thing. I don't see that in most Asian women. Latin women tend to be Americanized IMO but great for banging with that hot blood.

This is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.

It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.

Well actually. Its men who make women feel pussy is gold.

How many men fly around the world in search of inexpensive Gold. How many pay hundreds to thousands to be with gold for ONLY one night. Not many.

Now how many men will do that for Pussy? . And you wonder why women think Pussy is valuable. AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.

Nothing wrong with either. The AW knowing her worth. Or a guy going to a place where women are not as independent.

Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibate

[Climaxnow]

AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.

As a forty something, I absolutely refuse to be stuck in this pussy desert known as America. I am proud of my country, but the reality is I can not score the attractive twenty somethings anymore. That's why I have made a couple of trips to Eastern Europe so far and have studied Russian like a mad man for the last year. I can either accept this comfortable life in America empty of attractive women or I can move myself to a place where I actually stand a chance of finding girlfriends. I choose the later!

[ThatGuy865]

American women are simply not needy enough

This is the smartest thing mentioned about AW. They are not NEEDY. Such as POOR 3rd world women. Climaxnow. Hit it on the nose.

It has nothing to do with AW being bitchy or snooty. Its merely a financial thing. They are financially doing better, therefore their choice in men is not dictated by strictly finances. They can afford to be choosier in their selection.

This way fine men such as yourself can tell these feminists that believe there pussy is gold to fuck off.

Well actually. Its men who make women feel pussy is gold.

How many men fly around the world in search of inexpensive Gold. How many pay hundreds to thousands to be with gold for ONLY one night. Not many.

Now how many men will do that for Pussy? . And you wonder why women think Pussy is valuable. AW just realize their worth and Men who can deal with it. Have to seek out women from other places that don't.

Nothing wrong with either. The AW knowing her worth. Or a guy going to a place where women are not as independent.

Obviously men are having success with AW. AW are not walking around celibate

[Climaxnow]

A really attractive blond walked by on the boardwalk while I was training Muay Thai. By the time I finished the round she was 200 yards away. I closed that gap faster than Usain Bolt would have. I said to her,"I apologize for not introducing myself sooner rather than run you down like quarry, but you are extremely attractive, so I couldn't let you slip by. May I have your phone number. She said,"Thank you, but I just got engaged." I told her good luck with your engagement and got back to my workout.

American women are simply not needy enough, otherwise an outstanding citizen such as yourself Lugalzaggizi would actually score with some of these pickup lines. The American government needs to give out about a million or so visa's to the poor and beautiful of Russia or Ukraine. This way fine men such as yourself can tell these feminists that believe there pussy is gold to fuck off.