Safe Sex

[Prokofiev]

Swiss Gal,

I would think that a woman getting HIV from a man during cunnilingus would have to be THE most difficult and unlikely way possible. Him getting it from you? Far more likely, but still remote.

Despite all the studies and words written about this topic, the necessary experiments to prove whether HIV can be contracted though oral sex have not and will not be done. Impossible. Studies such as the SF gay-men study where KNOWN HIV + men were ejaculating into the mouths of HIV - men, showed that none of the negative became infected. Doesn't prove it COULN'T happen, but suggests it is very unlikely. The few cases where women have been infected by HIV+ men though oral sex are based on the premise that no known alternative transmission routes were present. No anal or vaginal intercourse, IV drug use or IV medical procedures. How can the researcher be SURE of this information? Can't. Could anyone be lying or simply forgetting something? Of course. If large numbers claimed this was happening then statistically it might be significant. But as things stand, all that can be concluded is that it is theoretically possible and MAY have occured, but is highly unlikely.

By the way, are you really Swiss? Your English is so perfect and so American that I have to wonder.

Cheers, -P

[VilunyaChert]

Swiss Gal writes: "The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental
dams for cunnilingus."

You said it. I spent an afternoon looking for dental dams in Geneva, no luck. (It would have
helped if I knew the French for "dental dam"--I'm not shy but I just couldn't see myself trying
to give a long-winded explanation of what I was looking for to any of the clerks in the pharmacies.)
So I ended up doing without the particular snack I had been looking forward to all week.

For future reference, what *do* you call a dental dam in French? German? Maybe I'll get to Zurich
next time I'm in your country...

[Swiss Gal]

Hey Guys.

I really get pissed off when I hear "as long as it's safe for ME" from guys. I DO realise you are PAYING to have sex with a girl but it's still simply awful to insist on certain things that are not safe for the sake of your personal fun.

Not to do a sob story but I ended up in this job because it was the only way to fund my studies. I'm 21 years old and I hope to be able to find a normal job as soon as the time intensive part of the course is over. It's not that I don't enjoy it but it does ruin your reputation, especially if you live in a comparatively small city. Also, you do expose yourself to a certain risk, even if you work safely, that is EVERY DAMN THING WITH A RUBBER, no exceptions made, ever. The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental dams for cunnilingus. So there is a risk there. I always worry about where his mouth has been before. Unless he does a damn fine job in which case I kind of can't do the thinking and the enjoying at the same time.

I think it's downright irresponsible to demand BJ's without rubbers and CIM is just something I would NEVER do with a stranger. I'm not suicidal, after all.
When customers whinge about this fact I just cooly give them my standard answer: "Well, I'll get back to you about that the day I have NOTHING left to lose" Some get it and shut up about it forever, others are just confused. They don't realise that doing more "reckless" practices is a way of making a lot of money in very little time. There's no way of tracking a pro so if I was a money-minded, selfish type of girl whose health is buggered up, I'd just go in there guns blazing and enjoy what life has to offer against cash.

[Mad Frax]

Hi guys,

Just a doubt: do you believe it is too dangerous to eat the pussy of a prostitute? I know that a prostitute can have many partners a day, but I also think it is very frustrating having sex without eating pussy. It is like enjoying a good dinner without the dessert! I know eating pussy can cause herpes, but what about HIV/AIDS? Is it risky or not?

Personally I sometimes visit a brazilian pro who work in an apartment. We always use condom (covered blow job and covered vaginal sex) and I know she uses it also with all the others customers. Can HIV be transmitted by saliva? In other words, if one of her customers who is HIV positive decides to eat her pussy (with covered blow job and covered vaginal sex), do you believe she can be infected by him? If yes, this can be dangerous for the others who eat her pussy after and can get the virus...
Or do you believe it is necessary a complete sexual intercourse without protection to be infected?

Thanks for suggestions!

Stay cool,

Mad Frax

[Boxcc]

What I usually look for when I risk a bbbj is if the girl has a good set of teeth. Now, I know that this is not the end all, beat all test, but if the girl has good oral hygiene, I feel more comfortable with it. If she is a snaggle-tooth, then I won't let her come near my dick! But, if she has a nice clean smile, then I don't worry about a bbbj if I wash it off right after. I always keep some anti-bacterial baby-wipes in the car for this purpose. You can wipe it off on the spot and reduce your risk!

And, if your wife questions why the hell you have baby-wipes in your car, tell her that you go out to eat ocassionally and want to wash your hands off before you eat, without having to use their nasty bathroom.

[Sixtynine]

Never said I had all of the answers and yes, you are right about smell does not equate to STD detection easily. I just see it that if a girl is careless down there, that spells trouble in other areas as these things go together as one complication can increase chances of others. For example, chlymadia and gonorhea can occur.

As for the pros, I guess I still like em young (if I wanted to do 30 year olds, I could be patient and date instead!). But we pay for generally what we can not easily attain otherwise. Just remember that if a girl say has sex on average 10 times a week all year, that is a whopping 520 guys, with multiple sessions likely thus increasing risk. Not trying to scare anyone, but be be careful and remember the six degrees of "penetration" as she probably has done it with someone who has something!

[Hanzo]

thank you so much for the invalueable informaion. sound you travel a lot and had lots of taste.

originally posted by hysteromania
welcome hanzo, i am fairly new too (less than 1 year mongering!) but hope i can answer you questions with some knowledge based on my own experience.

eating pussy can be good fun but i have become anal (no, not that way!) about how i proceed before i decide to eat it or not. first when you pull the panties off, visually look around the outside for any abnormal growths like warts or herpes, then i kiss around her inner thighs to get her in the mood as it can tickle but more importantly, any strong odors at this point can be detected.

if things are still okay, i will insert a finger or two and play with her and by this point if all goes well, i dive in!! note: no matter what people tell you, pussy should not smell! later you may get deep inside or get her juices going but that is a different story. secondly, do not brush your teeth right before this. most people's gums bleed after brushing so beware. and lastly, something that i love most about asians, get her to wash it before you dive in. you can do the test of senses before like sight, touch and smell before you taste. why am i so careful? urinary tract infections are cureable and not dangerous but cause discomfort- imagine pissing razor blades! yes, you can get one from just oral sex- either receiving or giving, believe me.

as for getting the bbbj, this feels even better but also carries the risk but it is much more of a risk for her, especially if cim, than it is for you. still you should use caution by washing right after, etc.

now that you have read this far, you can imagine what my position is about no condom. unless you really know her well and have practiced safe sex for months, use a condom! but some people are too intent on stimulating satisfaction before common sense. this being said if you are solely intent on doing this, do the missionary position better and then choose to cum all over her. the more time you are inside of her, the more chances of exchanging bodily fluids. less of risk at least than eating pussy but make sure you wash very well and it is much better if you [CodeWord111] shortly after as these both reduce the chance of catching something.

don't fall for bullshit lines like she is on the pill, you are her first customer, etc. i have met people in the philippines who have told me stories about [CodeWord123] charges linked to doing semen tests (your evidence inside her is stronger than fingerprints!) or false pregnancy stories later to get more money out of you. or the worst i heard, someone who screwed a "virgin" turned out to be a girl on the rag who simply bled all over him during the cowgirl position. ugh@!

[Holland Report]

No, I agree. In fact 'safe sex' is really a contradiction in terms. No sex is really safe. You're always at SOME risk, be it increased risk of prostate cancer, herpes, treatable STDs or HIV/AIDS and death! Not trying to be alarmist. Just making a valid point. As with everything else in life, you have to make your own decisions/judgements, in view of your particular life circumstances, as to whether these risks are worth it! For me, I don't think they are. So I just use a rubber for everything and, hopefully, the worst risk I face is some kindof rubber allergy! :-)

[Prokofiev]

Hysteromania,

The smell test is of little use in detecting HIV, herpes, hepatitis or most viral infections /STD's. It is more about bacterial or yeast/fungal infections or just plain lack of washing. Smell doesn't necessarily equate with high risk and certainly lack of smell tells you little about a woman's viral load. Also you cannot get a urinary tract infection by eating pussy - although you might transmit one to her or get one from a BBBJ . . . if that is what you meant.
Odds of catching AIDs from oral sex- pretty damn low. Herpes 2 or gonorrhoea from a BBBJ - very possible. Especially when you consider the number of partners that most pro women encounter. While a "normal" woman you date may have had 5-50 partners in a lifetime (typical), a pro will have had 300-5000+ and if you are getting BBBJ and CIM you can bet that the other 1000 or so guys did too. And probably many times during the previous few days or hours . . .

All in all, I find I sleep better at night knowing I used a rubber for CBJ . . . especially if you have a wife or significant partner which whom you have unprotected sex. Yes, many of the STD's are cureable -though not all- but it is hard to explain to her why you gave her the infection, and more importantly is unfair to someone who trusted you sexually.

[Sixtynine]

originally posted by hanzo
i am new to this hobby.

is eating pussy safe?

is missionary position safer than cow-girl while in no rubber situation?

is it ok let the girl sucking your dick without condom?

thanks a lot

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welcome hanzo, i am fairly new too (less than 1 year mongering!) but hope i can answer you questions with some knowledge based on my own experience.

eating pussy can be good fun but i have become anal (no, not that way!) about how i proceed before i decide to eat it or not. first when you pull the panties off, visually look around the outside for any abnormal growths like warts or herpes, then i kiss around her inner thighs to get her in the mood as it can tickle but more importantly, any strong odors at this point can be detected.

if things are still okay, i will insert a finger or two and play with her and by this point if all goes well, i dive in!! note: no matter what people tell you, pussy should not smell! later you may get deep inside or get her juices going but that is a different story. secondly, do not brush your teeth right before this. most people's gums bleed after brushing so beware. and lastly, something that i love most about asians, get her to wash it before you dive in. you can do the test of senses before like sight, touch and smell before you taste. why am i so careful? urinary tract infections are cureable and not dangerous but cause discomfort- imagine pissing razor blades! yes, you can get one from just oral sex- either receiving or giving, believe me.

as for getting the bbbj, this feels even better but also carries the risk but it is much more of a risk for her, especially if cim, than it is for you. still you should use caution by washing right after, etc.

now that you have read this far, you can imagine what my position is about no condom. unless you really know her well and have practiced safe sex for months, use a condom! but some people are too intent on stimulating satisfaction before common sense. this being said if you are solely intent on doing this, do the missionary position better and then choose to cum all over her. the more time you are inside of her, the more chances of exchanging bodily fluids. less of risk at least than eating pussy but make sure you wash very well and it is much better if you [CodeWord111] shortly after as these both reduce the chance of catching something.

don't fall for bullshit lines like she is on the pill, you are her first customer, etc. i have met people in the philippines who have told me stories about [CodeWord123] charges linked to doing semen tests (your evidence inside her is stronger than fingerprints!) or false pregnancy stories later to get more money out of you. or the worst i heard, someone who screwed a "virgin" turned out to be a girl on the rag who simply bled all over him during the cowgirl position. ugh@!

[Mookman]

Avanti is polyurathane, for people who are allergic to latex. It's thinner than latex so people say they feel the body heat more through it. It may well enough protect against AIDS and pregnancy but it hasn't been scientifically proven as absolute truth so there is still testing going on.

Here's a quote from the website:
The risks of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases (STD's), including AIDS (HIV infection), are not known for this condom. A study is being done.

Also remember not to use a spermicide condom, supposedly spermicide makes latex weaker, ever so slightly but also irritates the skin, where something can enter.

Mool

[Hanzo]

I am new to this hobby.

Is eating pussy safe?

Is missionary position safer than cow-girl while in no rubber situation?

Is it ok let the girl sucking your dick without condom?

Thanks a lot

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[McGarah]

Here is my take on sex with pros. Always wear a rubber, just use a good one. I like Avanti: I think it is the most sensitive (The maufacturer promotes it that way.) It's not latex, but some other man-made material, just more sensitive than latex. Now, I cannot come with a latex rubber on under any circumstances, especially if I've had a few drinks(numbs me.) But, with the Avanti- no problem. Heard that they could tear with violent buttfucking, but who's really going to let you violently fuck their ass? Must have been a gay thing. Nothing personal.

[Corndog]

Here is my take on this

Here is my history. I have had a lot of BBBJs from hookers. One time when I lived in LA, I got bitten by a mosquito and came down with inflammation of the brain and thought I was going to die, really. I was munching on a burrito in a outside café and some chick asked me if I saw this guy in a chevy. I said no. she asked if I could drive her to pick up something and she would make if worth my while. So I drove her to her moms house and they talked for a while. She came out pissed and wanted to leave. From what I guess she just got out of institution (really) and also just had a baby. She was telling me that she was bi and was a lesbian hooker. So in the back of a parking lot she tried to give me a BBBJ but couldn’t do it. So she tells me she needs a place to stay and wants to f**k. So we go back to my place. She tells me not to wear a rubber and she doesn’t believe in aids. I figure I am going to die anyways and I did her with out a rubber. A couple weeks later I got better, but that thing about not believing in aids remark bugged me. Now last year I was in Honduras. The damn hookers kept stealing my rubbers. So it was a pain to get one out of my suit case. A couple of times I was really drunk and said WTF and didn’t use one. I have really investigated this, the incidence of female to male infection is fairly low. I think around 4%. So far I have had 4 aids test and all negative over the years. My last one was just a few months ago. The CDC has taken prostitution off the high risk list. They are not seeing the numbers they thought they would. Do I say throw caution to the wind, no. I talked to a aids doctor and he said the chances of you catching it if you have unprotected sex with a person who has aids is around 1 in 300. The only thing I worry about is when I see a hooker with scabs on her face. Could mean she has HPV, basically sexual warts.

[AnExpat]

Phil...

Did you stop and think....was SHE clean?? I'd worry more about catching STD's like herpes, gonnorea(sp?) and such when not using a condom.

I've read in some places that unless your penis is nicked or cut or is sore, its difficult for you to catch HIV because the virus cannot enter any other way. I've also heard that HIV can enter through the urethra opening but I'm not too sure about this fact, maybe some of the members would care to shed some light on this topic.....

anexpat