Safe Sex

[Cock Sure]

I have read advice for people with mouth ulcers to abstain from oral sex.

My question is, do you heed this advice? Or just go for it anyway?

I frequently get mouth ulcers but am eager to lick a lot of pussy on a future FKK trip when I may well have ulcers.

What's your personal risk assessment of this?

[John Dough]

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[Rubber Nursey]

A little 'trick of the trade' is to put a hole in the middle of a dental dam (a latex square used for cunnilingus), slide it down over the penis, then put the condom on as normal. The dam completely covers the balls and surrounding areas.

[John Dough]

It seems to me that the condom offers great protection from those bugs transmitted through fluids, but I wonder about skin to skin contact such as that around the balls where they touch against a woman. HPV? Herpes?

Here is an option. Wear some latex briefs with a hole in the front. A regular condom can stick through the opening. Scroll down to the bottom of this page to see an example:

http://new.twistmyrubberarm.com/menu...de=2031&cat=23

The same site has an almost normal condom with full coverage available in three colors. The red one is shown in the above picture with the briefs and the transparent one looks normal.

http://new.twistmyrubberarm.com/menu...de=6023&cat=26

[Rubber Nursey]

Which pharmaceutical drugs have I to use to fuck without condom?

If people keep using precautionary antibiotics instead of taking some responsibility for their sexual health, we're eventually gonna see the day when Chlamydia wipes out female fertility and Gonorrhoea is a death sentence. Every time some selfish condom-hater chooses to use drugs instead of condoms, he contributes to the mutation and resistance of these infections. Not to mention merrily spreading diseases like herpes, warts and HIV, which don't respond to antibiotics. And getting women pregnant.

There's only three safe choices - abstinence, monogamy or condoms. Anything else and your risking your health, your partner's health and public health.

[Rubber Nursey]

Fieldmouse,

There have also been cases of lesbians contracting HIV, which is presumed to be a result of cunnilingus...but the problem is that cunnilingus is very rarely performed alone. Lesbian sex also often includes sex toys, long fingernails, menstruation, etc which can also present a risk.

In straight sex, it's generally part of foreplay and followed by intercourse. People who have unprotected oral and then covered sex would assume they caught it from the unprotected oral, but it may have actually been from condom slippage or pre-cum (before the condom was put on)...maybe even getting fluids in their eyes or whatever.

The only completely safe way to engage in ANY sexual activity, is to use the appropriate prophylactic (latex barriers/dental dams). Cunnilingus is an extremely low risk activity as far as HIV goes, but the only way to be absolutely sure is to use protection. Otherwise, ensuring that she doesn't have her period or cuts, sores or irritation around her vagina - and ensuring you don't have cuts, sores or irritation in your mouth - is sensible. But don't forget that there's other things that are much easier to catch from oral sex, like gonorrhoea and Hep A&B.

Regardless of HIV risks, if you have a coldsore you should not go anywhere near a woman's genitals, or you risk giving her herpes. (Same goes if she gives you a BBBJ with a coldsore).

And before anyone jumps on me, yet again...yes, oral sex is just about as safe as it gets and no, I'm not scaremongering. HIV is very difficult to catch in any type of sexual activity, let alone oral sex (especially for men) - but it would be irresponsible to suggest there is NO risk.

[FieldMouse]

Possibly inappropriate for this forum...cunnilingus and aids

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Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this, please advise if so.

I was always of the opinion that cunnilingus was a fairly safe method of oral sex provided you didn't have open mouth wounds for fluids/blood to enter. I also followed the following four points:

1. Lots of saliva on tongue (apparantly saliva content overpowers hiv bug)

2. Only use tongue in areas exposed to open air (virus can't live long when exposed to open air)

3. Don't do it if you have mouth sores, ulcers, bleeding gums, cold sores etc (where fluids could enter your bloodstream through)

4. No deep tongue action (supporting point 2).

I read online yesterday (but it was a dated article that I now cannot bloody find again! ) that this line of thought is all bs and there are documented cases of guys partaking in nothing more than oral sex (cunninlingus) contracting hiv. Does anyone have anythougts/facts in support of or refuting this?

As a person who loves tucking into a tasty Indon furburger, this now causes me some concern, and I have a sneaking suspicion I may not be the only one.

Again, apologies if this is the wrong forum to post this in.

Regards,

Fieldmouse

[AColonizer]

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[Member #4167]

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[Eros74]

i never knew this disease or met anybody who got it, i had to search in holy google to understand what is, however i found this:

http://www.forces-of-nature.org/moll..._treatment.htm

we have always to keep open eyes out there in our hobby...

speed touch, thanks to share with us you experience !

take care.

[Miao28]

This is a reposting of an earlier report which I have decided to post here following a suggestion by Jackson who considered that it may be more suitable and appropriate for this thread.

To put all arguments to rest, I herewith quote from one of the world's foremost and authoritative source in disease control, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, USA.:

Quote:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testin...ested.htm#wait

"How long after a possible exposure should I wait to get tested for HIV?

Most HIV tests are antibody tests that measure the antibodies your body makes against HIV. It can take some time for the immune system to produce enough antibodies for the antibody test to detect, and this time period can vary from person to person. This time period is commonly referred to as the “window period.” Most people will develop detectable antibodies within 2 to 8 weeks (the average is 25 days). Even so, there is a chance that some individuals will take longer to develop detectable antibodies. Therefore, if the initial negative HIV test was conducted within the first 3 months after possible exposure, repeat testing should be considered >3 months after the exposure occurred to account for the possibility of a false-negative result. Ninety-seven percent of persons will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV.

Another type of test is an RNA test, which detects the HIV virus directly. The time between HIV infection and RNA detection is 9–11 days. These tests, which are more costly and used less often than antibody tests, are used in some parts of the United States."

UnQuote.

Although you may have spoken to your doctor, not all doctors are expert in HIV. The information imparted to you by your doctor is inaccurate and outdated. I am extremely surprised by what your doctor have told you. Is your doctor living in the dinosaur age? What he has said may have been true during the Jurassic Park age before the advent of all those sensitive tests but now is the space age. Where did he get his medical training? Perhaps he should consider going back to medical school again and get further training and update on his medical knowledge about HIV and AIDS. Having a medical degree does not make him an expert in HIV and AIDS and the doctor is frequently not an expert in drugs too. The expert in drugs is the pharmacist.

The Seattle and King county public health site says:

Quote:

http://www.metrokc.gov/health/apu/in...tibody0903.htm

"Currently used antibody tests are more sensitive than those used in the past. Most people will develop detectable antibodies by 30 days after infection with HIV 1,2. Nearly everyone who is infected with HIV (99%) will have antibodies detected by 3 months after infection 3. Rarely do people take longer than 3 months, but it can happen 4.

A person may need to wait at least 6 weeks from the time they thought they could have gotten the virus before taking the test. Waiting longer, up to three months, will give better information about whether they are actually infected with HIV. "

Unquote.

As I have said in my previous report, there is a RNA test, which if taken by Blueprint will very quickly allay his fears after his initial exposure. However RNA testing is more expensive than those tests to be taken at three and six months intervals after initial exposure.

Earlier detection by RNA testing and if proven positive would mean an earlier treatment for HIV.

Blood tests can now make for early detection of HIV. For instance, blood banks commonly use a combination of both Enzyme-Linked ImmunoSorbent Assay (ELISA) and Western blot tests to detect HIV in donor blood.

[Speed Touch]

I caught this of a thai girl who had this on her shoulder - of course she nor I knew what it was - we both assumed it was an insect bite. Within a week I also had it on my shoulder - even though I was with her for one night. I got some skin cream from thai chemist - but it took around 3 months to completely disappear. Best not to touch it at all - although it's quite itchy.

Anyone had experience with Molluscum Contagiosum ? And better yet any fast cures?

Not a pure STD as such, and not dangerous, but a bit of an annoyance nonetheless to be rid of in a hurry. Seems to be spread through skin to skin contact and use of towels etc..

[Karaoke]

The concept of starting a second family in Asia sounds intriguing. Where have you been in Asia, and of all those places, where would you recommend starting that second family?

[QUOTE=Guy #2]I am glad you posted this. I was going to try the uncovered BJ next but after your experience, I'll keep the condom on. What I try to do is go out every week and look for a normal girl who I can trust and do the uncovered protection. Then if things are really dry, I will go overseas and have protected sex as a backup plan. But I am always looking for normal clean girls for the unprotected sex. You have to diversify your girls like stocks. Find clean girls to do the uncovered stuff and go to Asia when things get really bad at home. Some Asian men have two families, one here and one there. You should find a regular chick there and get her tested.

[Guy #2]

I am glad you posted this. I was going to try the uncovered BJ next but after your experience, I'll keep the condom on. What I try to do is go out every week and look for a normal girl who I can trust and do the uncovered protection. Then if things are really dry, I will go overseas and have protected sex as a backup plan. But I am always looking for normal clean girls for the unprotected sex. You have to diversify your girls like stocks. Find clean girls to do the uncovered stuff and go to Asia when things get really bad at home. Some Asian men have two families, one here and one there. You should find a regular chick there and get her tested.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Recent member of this club and this is what I've found out based on research, discussions with my doctors, etc.:

1. Two tests were done, Igm and Igg. Both are antibodies tests, Igm strong positive means you recently were infected, Igg positive means you were infected in past. Last june (2006) my Igm titer was high, Igg low - which indicated I was recently infected. This past May my Igm titer non-existent, but Igg titer strong - this confirms infection probably occurred last spring/summer (2006).

[Guy #2]

When I went to Prague, I got a skin infection that turned into a cyst the size of a half dollar and had to go on antibotics. It is not just STD. People carry bacteria on their skin that can pass to your skin. I got some bacteria from some girl and now that cyst can come back whenever it wants. If it comes back, my dermotologist will have to remove it. Sure, it's not STD. But it is still something. I got it with my first girl in Prague. So even if you practice safe sex and do not get herpes, you will still get something. In my case, a skin bacteria which still resides in my skin somewhere.

Hey Folks.

With all the misinformation out there, (I have my doubts about the CDC. They act like any non-monogamous sexual activity will likely lead to an STD, yet they think it was okay to allow some turkey with incurable TB to sneak back into the USA), I was wondering is anyone has any PERSONAL experience with catching a STD after safe sex? That is PERSONAL experience, not what happened to your cousin's brother's best friend's nephew!

For what it is worth. I have sex 3 or 4 times a year with a prostitute, (all I can afford! ), have been doing this for 10 years, and was clean at my last STD check.