Safe Sex

[Member #2128]

A while back, GLADIATOR (who also just wrote some fine reports from the DR) asked about Herpes testing. My understanding is that the only legitimate test is to have a doctor or medical clinic cotton swab a currently active herpes lesion or sore and to send the swab in for testing. It's the blood tests that are very expensive and unreliable. The cotton swab test is very reliable. However, you must have a current herpes outbreak to confirm the diagnosis this way!

Genital Herpes is troublesome for the active monger for the following reasons:

1. You can't protect your scotal, testicular area with a condom. And it is common for men to contract it in this area.

2. You can become infected even when there are no lesions or sores visably present on your sexual partner. This is called "viral shedding" and means that the virus is present even though the sores aren't. So much for the rushed visual inspection in a dimly light $10 hotel room.

3. You can have it and not know it. Sometimes the symptoms are very mild, like a slight itching, or a few small "bumps", or something that looks more like a small "abrasion" than a big time bloody sore. According to the CDC, very often first time symptoms like these are simply overlooked.

4. Also according to the CDC, 17% of the population over age 15 have it! And in the African-American population the number is 45%. Scary! Although I have no idea of how they arrive at these percentages, it's starting to sound like it's almost impossible for the active monger to avoid getting genital herpes!

5. You can become infected by HSV I (the herpes from a cold sore on the mouth) on your genital area (penis/scotal and groin area) from the SALIVA of an infected person. Listen up, all you guys who enjoy your BBBJ and ball-licking. Whether it comes from the small "cold sore" on her mouth or the pussy, it's still gonna be herpes!

6. Finally, once you get it, you got it. No cure. Just a lifetime of intermittent outbreaks that are discomforting, if not painful, and which put ALL YOUR FUTURE PARTNERS at risk. For the rest of your life.

On the positive side of all this----IF YOU WASH THOROUGHLY RIGHT AFTER THE ACT WITH SOAP AND HOT WATER, YOU REDUCE THE CHANCES OF TRANSMISSION OF THE HERPES VIRUS. NOT ELIMINATE COMPLETELY, BUT SOMEWHAT REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING INFECTED.

OK, that's my rant on genital herpes. I had a scare recently, which turned out to be a case of fungus (jock rot), but it made the fear of this STD quite real and I did a lot of research and reading. Hope it's helpful.

2128

[Mock A Bee]

FYI, anyone interested in reading an excellent article on AIDS and heterosexual men, here is a link to a reprint from Details Magazine, March 2004.

It is a very well written article with a lot of information and details about your risks of contracting AIDS. As well, for those of you who enjoy DATY on pros, it also touches on the risk of oral sex.

Basically it summarizes the fact that it is very difficult for men to contract aids from heterosexual sex, even without a condom. However, you should absolutely still use a condom.

Whatever Happened to AIDS and Straight Men?
By Kevin Gray

http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/risk_realities/whatever_happened.html

[TJ Bob]

You guys doing DATY and BBJ are idiots! These are fvcking wh*res who fvck and suck for a living. It's safer for you to lick the assholes of every dog that you see than to DATY 1 wh*re. Let's keep this hobby safe for everyone, please.

[Organicgrowth]

Pistola,

I like the idea of the alcohol, however it becomes difficult carrying it around unless you are keeping it in the bathroom. I always have the large alcohol medi-wipes with me and do exactly what you have said. However if you are in your rooms, why not go for a shower first? Alcohol can also leave your skin dry and thus actually more prone to infection due to the strong possibility that the skin can start to crack as a result of not having enough moisture.

About the alcohol burning you a little: alcohol should not burn at all unless there is a cut, abrasion or very thin skin. As the penis has a layer of oil on it, and you felt a burn, it implies to me that you might have had a cut or abrasion. This is more common that we might think in men. It only takes a simple fast movement of clothing or even a sharp finger nail to make a cut on the penis without our knowing.

Being checked is the best answer here for your self, your partners and other mongers. Chances are that you are safe, but you are wise to get tested.

Best wishes. Havanaman

[Pistola]

Hello everyone,

I want just to say what I have done to try prevent any infection and want to know what you think if it might work.

I have been for few days in Bkk and slept with many ladies and always protected sex but to be safer what I used to do is wipe mine in front of them and ask ladies to wipe themselves genital's area with wiper which were soaked in pure alchol (I did also just before performing oral sex and receiving it). I presume pure alchool kills all the bacteria and germs which cause infection.

I have to say the ladies looked me strangely at first but after saying them that it is for both interest they liked it and were happy to do that.
Once during intercourse with a lady a condom broke and I realised when i took my dick out, I rushed to the bathroom and poured a bottle of alchool on my cock and all around, it burnt a little bit and I hope it has worked. I am going for testing as soon as possible. I have asked the ladie if she always does procteted sex and she said yes, but you never know.

I know it will not be 100% sure to catch infection but it might help. Please let me know what you think.

All the best and always protect yourself.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

[Lew Archer]

Boatman, et. al.,

I am in NYC and DOH here offers rapid testing for HIV. The results are available within 20-30 minutes. The rapid test is still relatively new. In NYC if the rapid test comes back positive, they repeat testing with the more established ELISA test to confirm the results.

I am not sure whether the Health Department/DOH in your area offers the same. This does not eliminate the need for additional testing over the next month or so (due to the incubation period for HIV) as other posters suggested, but at least you'll have your results quickly. The HIV counselor should explain all of this before you have your test. I am not sure if it is the same in your city, but you can be tested anonymously (receive only a code number) so your identity is not revealed.

I am not sure about the length of time for tests for other STDs (syphillis, Gonorrhea, etc.) but a search on your city's Health Department website or call to their information number should provide the answers.

Good Luck.

[Organicgrowth]

Boatman, Gentlemen,

In agreement with Turf Builder testing early is the wise thing to do, but continuity of the test is equally important. That is to say have at least 4 primary tests spaced by 25 days. This is will exclude any false positives, which for a true negative, is a real head fuck.

As to excuses: “Honey I had to see doc today, got my Johnson trapped in my fly and the cut won’t stop bleeding….” When doing this you need to have a small plaster (band-aid) on Mr. Johnson in case you are asked for a look-see. Obviously you are not going to remove the plaster (band-aid) for fear of bleeding.

Regards, Havanaman

[Turf Builder]

Tenchi,

The CDC says that on average HIV antibodies show up at 25 days. Yes, 97 percent show up within 3 months. But saying it takes at least three months can mislead people that should test sooner.

[Tenchi]

Boatman,

I agree with Joe go to your local health clinic, but bear in mind, it takes at least 3 months for HIV to show up.

In the mean time excuse wise to get out of sex with the wife, a good one might be that you go cut at the barbers and the barber had cut someone earlier?

Hmm, if you can come with better kudos, but don't risk her health

Good luck to you!

[Joe Zop]

Boatman, I'm going to post here so others can be part of the discussion.

First, go see your family physician immediately and get tested. There's no sense in sitting around and worrying like mad. If you're doing P4P and having unprotected sex with your wife it's something you should be doing regularly regardless of whether or not you're in a state of freaking out.

Next, your odds of getting an HIV infection from a few minutes of BBBJ are basically infinitesmal. It's a worry only if she had bleeding in her mouth and you had some sort of cut or open wound on your cock. There are obviously other things you could have gotten -- herpes, hepatitis A, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc.

Third, and perhaps most to the point: how do you "know" that the 3 providers you describe were clean (not to mention the "maybe")? Whether your partner does or doesn't have an STD is not exactly something someone can always be sure of by sight -- the list of nasties they could have and not show is quite long. That attitude is one that's asking for trouble -- you should assume that all of your partners are a potential source of infection and act accordingly (other than your wife, unless you suspect she's doing the same as you.)

But you're just asking for divorce (or worse) if you're going around unprotected with prostitutes and then boinking your wife, as there's no easy explanation if you pass something along to her.

[Boatman]

Hello Everyone. I am a frequent poster on the ohio boards, and now i have a number of questions to ask you. Obviously, if I am here, I am probably freaking out about a situation. One week ago, I went on a bender, and picked up 5 sw's in about 5 hours. 3 were ok (clean), one questionable, and one, in hindsight, was ill. I have confirmed this since by a few of my buddies that she has HIV, which scares the hell out of me. The only thing we did was she gave me bbbj- and only for a few minutes. I may have penetrated a finger, but that is all. Am I at risk of catching anything? I am married, and I cannot have unprotected sex with my wife, and I dont know how I will get her to use condoms without her knowing something. Also, I will need to get tested. Any recommendations on how to go about this? Thanks for your help- the best way to reach me is to PM me.

[Turf Builder]

Returned from a week in Rio last week. Was home 2 days when I started to experience burning during urination and then came yellow gunk in the jockeys. Waited just one day to head for the emergency room. The doc said he was treating me for gonorea and clamydia. A shot and 4 pills. But don't have test results yet on which it is.

Straight sex during 8 sessions was protected, otherwise bbbj is common in Rio.

The CDC says both infections can be had from oral sex although probability is lower than with intercourse.

[Gladiator]

Civ2000,

Thanks for your reply.

I know that there are some tests for herpes available but the problem is, as you point out, that they are not accurate, that is why I was asking if anyone knew of the existence of any really reliable test.

The current herpes tests are so inaccurate that they are not much different from having no test at all.

I suppose I'll have to keep using protection.

[Travis Bickle 2]

Gladiator, The answer is option #2: there is a test for herpes. Also, herpes is probably so widespread in the adult industry they probably don't worry much about it. I give 10 to 1 odds that Ron Jeremy has it but that it didn't keep him out of any films.

The only problem I see with your scenario is that some diseases and viruses take a month or more to show a positive result on tests but can be contagious during the same time frame. Also for herpes there are quite a few false negative test results.

To be safe it's best to keep it wrapped. Civ

[Gladiator]

Protected sex sucks, but I suppose it is the only way to go.

Some time ago the following idea crossed my mind: porn stars have unprotected sex because they are tested regularly and have to present the results of tests before they ‘act’ in the films. Right, in that case I could also travel, for instance, to Thailand, spend a week there in search of the girl of my dreams, find her, go to a clinic and test her for all major STD’s, like the professionals porn stars do, and then spend the following week having wild and fully enjoyable unprotected sex with her.

In theory it would work and I’d be safe, or to be more precise, I’d be as safe as a professional porn star.

But if you think of it carefully it’d be OK only with STD’s for which there are accurate tests available (e.g. HIV, Hepatitis B, etc) , but what about the rest? What about genital herpes? As far as I know there is no reliable test available for genital herpes. I can’t believe that the porn super stars who have had unprotected vaginal, anal and oral sex with literally thousands of women (most of whom, in turn, had sex before with endless men) have done so without contracting herpes, but if the screening they use doesn’t cover herpes how the fuck do they manage not to get it?

I see only 2 possible options:

1. Herpes is most probably widespread within the adult entertainment industry, but porn actors/actresses don’t give a shit for it.
2. There is a reliable test for herpes, which I am not aware of.

I’d appreciate if anyone has any useful feedback on this matter.