Safe Sex

[GettingTang]

Not cool dickhead and depending on what state you reside in, possibly against the law!

You're not supposed to donate blood if you have sex with prostitutes. Are you really too cheap to just pay for a damn test? Did you not read the questions they ask prior to donating blood?

I find it hard to believe, given your character that you would donate blood out of compassion or a need to give. I do believe you're just the type of person who would risk the lives of others by donoting blood as a means to screen yourself for HIV. What a crook of shit.

If you;re going to risk your own health and have sex daily with street *****s, fine, do what you please, but to take your risk and pass it onto other innocent people is just sickening. People who engage in regular sex with hookers, should not be donating blood. That's just sick!

[Sporadic]

Could we all just agree that the only safe sex would be masturbation (presuming you are not using a steel wool glove.)

You are both correct, but getting shrill, or pedantic about it contributes little IMHO.

Cheers,

Sporadic

[Dickhead]

Actually, I got three BBBJs today (yesterday now, I guess) although none was CIM. But that's my fault. I get tested for HIV/AIDS (down here it is SIDA) every six months and also whenever I donate blood. I've been doing that for probably fifteen years now. Last time was in April. Negative and have the paper to "prove" it. Of course that doesn't prove anything since there is an incubation period.

Nobody uses meth down here, but I've probably had any number of BBBJs from coke users. By the way, quotation marks are typically used when somebody actually said something, not when you just want to add more emphasis to bullshit.

[GettingTang]

Ever get a blow job from a meth user?
From yahoo just reported today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050801...s_050801170937

It's syndrome called meth mouth. It causes rapid tooth and gum decay. People are going to the dentist with the mouths literally falling out. Teeth rotting, bleeding, sores, infectious puss. Many of these individuals have HIV. Has one blown you lately?

Don't forget, HIV is more ripe and prevalent and ready to infect in infections that contain pus, then it is in blood, semen, vaginal secretions combined! This is because HIV infects t-cells which are a member of the white blood cell group. When you have an infection like in the mouths of crack cocaine users and meth addicts, what happens? Does anyone here remember 6th grade science. The white blood cells rush to the surface to fight the infection. Guess what if riding on those white blood cells? HIV!! (assuming the giver of your blowjob is infected of course).

Enjoying your bareback blow jobs boys? Dickhead, did you risk it again today?

Get tested and keep it covered boys!

[GettingTang]

oh, no, oochie ouchie, that hurt dickhead.

Hey here is a few more your forgot.

How about the time I found God, or how about the time I claimed to be a little old lady, or how about the disclaimer in my monger reports indicating all posts might not even be true? There is just few for ya.

Now I on the other hand I took the liberty of going through your past posts. I only looked at few of them. I came up with a disclaimer for you.

"I try to rationalize my fear of HIV by failure to test, because it's oh so scary. I try to rationalize not covering my willy, because Damn it, this virus somehow has to know I'm no homosexual man taking it up the ass. It knows better then to infect me! "

Try as you might dickhead, no matter what you say, it's a virus. Understand? If it finds a way into your blood stream, however that might be, you're doomed. It really could give a shit if you Gay, or shoot up drugs. IT DOES NOT CARE BUDDY!

And for the last time, I completely agree that heterosexual sex is by far the most difficult manor for the virus to be transmitted from the female to the male. It IS rather easy to go from male to female. I have never stated otherwise. So where is your argument? You keep posting stuff I said about this, as if your proving something? I agree! However, once again, the term difficult and impossible are not two of a kind! if you take risk after risk, after risk like most mongers do, eventually your luck will run out! Maybe the first time, maybe the 5000th. Who knows, but it will happen.

One last time dickhead, tell us all how HIV somehow understands who is Gay and who is not. The scientists of the world are eagerly waiting.

Hey dickhead, seriously old buddy pal, I dare you to get tested for HIV. Too chicken?

And if you want case history and proof. I'll bring article after article, if you agree to actually read it. I must warn you though, guys like you will be terribly frightened by it. All because you can't and won't cover your little bitsie winnie, tinie tiny, wenier.

[Dickhead]

“uncovered oral sex= very minimal to no risk for HIV.”

Source: Getting Tang, of course, posted on 4 September of 2004.

Here's some more great stuff, all courtesy of Getting Tang:

10/14/04: “HIV in normal heterosexual acts is not very contagious”
9/26/04: “Among the gay community they have coming out parties now, for those who purposely get Aids and did so for the fun of it!”
9/17/04: "THE GREATEST GIFT A WOMAN CAN GIVE TO HER MAN, IS TO BE SUBMISSIVE!"
9/16/04: “In most third world countries 20-50% of working girls are HIV[sic].”

[Dickhead]

Powder cocaine is so cheap down here that crack is unheard of.

"Seborrhea is also known as seborrheic dermatitis or common dandruff." Here's my source:

www.medicinenet.com/seborrhea/article.htm

Of course, having sources isn't really important. What's really important is repeating one's self over and over again and then using personal attacks on any critics to give even more weight to what one is saying. It also helps to have a lot of misspellings; many scientific-type people have poor spelling and grammar. It's a sign of intelligence.

[GettingTang]

Dickhead,
Enjoy your BJ tonight? Did he or she smoke crack? Here is a little something for you dumb ass to be aware of.

For a variety of reasons including malnutrition and poor oral hygiene, those who inject drugs and/or smoke crack cocaine have a high prevalence of oral sores. In addition, crack cocaine smoking can cause blisters, sores, and cuts on the lips and in the mouth. Sores, blisters, and cuts can facilitate the oral transmission of HIV.
6. Oral sex is known to transmit other STDs (e.g., herpes, gonorrhea) which can in turn increase the risk of transmitting HIV through oral sex.
7. During oral sex, it is the individual whose mouth is on an HIV infected partner's genitals (and thus who might be receiving into their mouth that person's semen, preseminal fluid, or vaginal/cervical secretions) who has more risk of acquiring HIV than an individual whose genitals are receiving oral sex from an HIV infected partner. However, even those people whose only risk has been receiving oral sex on their genitals from an HIV infected partner have become infected through oral sex. Depsite documentation, it does happen.

[GettingTang]

Anyone who claims "personal problem" based on a forum message board about paying for sex already has a personal problem problem.

And dickhead, (name suits you so well) dermatology manifestations are the most common symptom associated with HIV. In fact is usually the first symptom after primary infection and during the period between HIV and Aids phase!

As for SD, it is not the same as dandruff you idiot. Dandruff is on your scalp. SD is one you face, chest, armpits and groin. When it is on the facial and scalp area, this is very common. When it is found in the armpits, chest and groin, it almost always involves immune suppression. That's a fact! It is not always flaky, but a flat bright red persistent rash. Any women I stumble across with SD is not getting my willy. Sorry! Also, SD is far less common in women then men. In some ethnic cultures is does not exist outide of immune supresion. Certain Indian and Somoans do not get SD, or dandruff, if they do, it's usually do to a severe immune disorder.



I completely stand by that posting.

[Dickhead]

"Here is a fact, look it up, if you don't believe me. 85% of HIV positive people have a little ailment called seborrheic dermatitis. Now this varies in severity from person to person, but almost all will develop it and have a harder time treating it as the disease progresses.

We also know, that in the general population, less then 3% of people have seborrheic dermatitis, outside of HIV, yet 85% with HIV have it!

When seborrheic dermatitis is found anywhere but the scalp area, it raises the percentages it is related to HIV. When it is found anywhere else on the body besides the face and or scalp, this almost certainly means HIV infection!"

I didn't believe him. I looked it up. It's bullshit. This link

http://dermatology.about.com/cs/sebo...a/seb_aids.htm

says that "up to 85% of [HIV infected people eventually develop SD]." That is not the same thing (since if 85% eventually develop it, far fewer than 85% would have it, but GT is not smart enough to make that distinction), and also this link is not a scientific site but rather a site run by dermatologists, who are biased and would like to scare you into using their somewhat questionable services whenever you have a rash.

Oh, and by the way, "seborrheic dermatitis" is just plain dandruff. So if you believe GT, don't fuck anyone with dandruff.

"So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV."

You ain't posted shit.

"You're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out."

Post anything more like that, and we will have a personal problem.

[Dickhead]

One down, 18,999 to go.

[Dickhead]

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/...ll-denniston1/

This above article claims that heterosexual intercourse as a source of HIV/AIDS has been way overstated.

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/07/05.php

This one points out that circumcision also reduces the risk (for women, obviously) of uterine cancer.

This one, from the Center For Disease Control, points out that not only are over one-third of all US AIDS cases traced to IV drug use, but many others are traceable indirectly to drug use due to the unsafe behaviors it may lead to.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/idu.htm

"In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission."

And it was CIM in 34% of the cases. Here's the link:

http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm#q3

Let's see. I have a life expectancy of 32 more years, or 11,688 days including leap years. So, if the above article is accurate, I could get approximately 1.63 uncovered blow jobs a day, with .55 per day being CIM, and not get HIV.

Now suppose 19,000 blow jobs had led to one instance of HIV, which then might or might not lead to AIDS. 1 / 19,000 = .00005262 probability. So I think I will stop reading this thread and find some hooker to blow me until I spew in her mouth.

[GettingTang]

That was what is called a theraputic vaccine, not a preventative vaccine. Theraputic vaccines are immune based therapies.

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters Health) - Circumcision, or removal of the foreskin of the penis, is known to reduce the risk of HIV infection, and now researchers may understand why. The findings could help in the development of new therapies to prevent the spread of the AIDS-causing virus.

According to Carlos R. Estrada from Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center in Chicago, Illinois and colleagues, about 80% of HIV infections occur during sex, and the route of entry for most HIV-infected men is via the penis. Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of infection 2- to 8-fold, but the reason why has been unclear.

In their study, presented here Saturday at the American Urological Association's annual meeting, researchers evaluated 14 samples of foreskin tissue from children and adults. They also examined specimens of female cervical tissue.

To determine how susceptible the tissue might be to HIV infection, they counted the number of three types of immune system cells that are known to become infected with HIV in each specimen. The researchers counted CD4+ T-cells, macrophages and Langerhan's cells.

Compared to cervical tissue, the foreskins contained higher numbers of the three infectable cell types. Adult foreskins contained the highest proportion.

Further, when they tried to infect the samples with HIV, they found that the inner surface of the foreskin was seven times more susceptible to infection than the cervical tissue and the outer foreskin.

"During sexual intercourse, this inner layer is the area that becomes traumatized and infected," Estrada told Reuters Health. "In fact, we were not able to infect the outer layer of foreskin."

According to Estrada, adult patients that have had recent infections, whether sexually transmitted diseases or some other type of infection, also have a higher proportion of these infectable cells, and therefore may be at increased risk of HIV infection.

Estrada and colleagues also measured the numbers of HIV-specific receptors on the surface of the cells. These bind to the virus and help it to gain entry into the cells. One type, called CCR5, was especially predominant.

The researchers suggest that agents capable of blocking these HIV binding sites that could be applied topically to the penis or vagina should be developed.

"The US is one of the few countries in which circumcision is performed on a regular basis," Estrada said. "We think that in a third world country such as Africa, where AIDS is an epidemic, circumcision of children could provide a protective effect down the road."

In recent studies in Africa, infection rates were increased by more then 70% in males uncircumcised. In one study, 140 males were uncircumcised and 130 males who had been circumcised were followed for a period of 2 years. These males engaged in high risk heterosexual activities. After two years, 42 of the 140 uncircumcised males tested positive for HIV, while 8 of the circumcised males were positive for HIV.

[Dickhead]

"I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years"

GT posted that three weeks ago. Now it's 40 or 50 years. My, how time flies. Oh, well; I'm off to get circumcised.

[GettingTang]

Since somehow, I've been appointed the WSG's HIV "Expert" I'll be back with many scientific links to support my recent posts.

However, keep in mind, a time line was not given for a "cure" In articles recently read, most scientists feel a cure will come but probably not likely within the next 40-50 years. Man has never been able to completely eradicate any virus, only the body's natural immune system has been able to do this. And with HIV, the immune system is unable to keep up with it.

What is more likely to happen in the near term, is immune based therapies, that will alter the course of long-term HIV treatment away from highly toxic therapies that basically still end your life prematurely. These therapies are likely at least 10-15 years away from being readily available at your local pharmacy. So my point was simply, if you catch HIV today, as things stand currently, you're still pretty much fucked! Understand now?

So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV.

And yes, HIV is most difficult for infection from female to male, but not impossible. There is a difference. There are recent studies indicating males are 70% more likely to be infected from a female if he is uncircumsized. The reason is that in the uncircumsized male, you have white blood cells or receptor cells on the surface of the uncircumsized area. These are the cells in which HIV attaches itself to for infection. If you guys want to learn a thing or two, about how your risking your lives, stay tuned. I'll be back.