Safe Sex

[Dickhead]

So where's the source for the bullshit you posted earlier? And where have I ever posted anything about barebacking? I never have, of course. But then again I don't poke dick holes in my underwear like Gallo Inglés recommends. You, on the other hand, contradict yourself in your own posts all the time.

Just admit you made that number up about 1.8% of those infected with AIDS being heterosexual. Just flat out made it up. Come on, admit it.

GT post #1: "A cure for AIDS is coming soon."

GT post #2: "Don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications."

Seems rather contradictory to me. Just like GT post #3: "Statistically, if a male who has HIV screws a female, unprotected and cums in her vagina, it takes an average of 100 exposures for her to become infected. If the female is the infected one, it takes about 3000 tries on average, for the male to become infected."

Where's your source for that one?

[Joe Zop]

GT, you're missing the point. Dickhead points out that in your zeal you toss a lot of opinions and unsupported "facts," which are sometimes contradictory in nature, and that undermines rather than helps your evangelical position.

When you post things such as in your previous post which are completely vague and unverifiable ("there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in SE Asia intentionally infecting them") where you convey that you have special inside knowledge and that therefore everyone should give extra weight to your statements, it has completely the opposite effect since it comes off as baloney.

I've not seen DH say he thinks bareback is the way to go, but I'm with him that hyperbolic assertions don't help edify or educate -- they only give people reason to think they're being fed a plate full of bullshit.

[GettingTang]

go ahead dickhead, keep banging bareback and see where it gets you. i've seen so many come and go just like you. they thought they could beat the system. you're problem, like so many others before, is you are trying to justify your behavior, by finding your own rational risk assessment. i will remind you one last time. hiv is a virus, it does not care who you are, or what you think.

you're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out.

and for the record, there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in se asia intentionally infecting them. yes, that's right. funny thing is, when these individuals show up for their departing flight, federal officers will be waiting for them.

i know of one individual, who's wife had already identified him via his photos and notified the proper authorities of his hiv status. the fallout is coming boys. i guess the story he told his wife about some new hiv therapy in distant se asia, included banging ****d girls with no condom while being hiv infected. he should have a fun homecoming, or lack there of.

[Dickhead]

Earlier Getting No Tang posted the following, which is also bullshit, but contradicts his more recent bullshit:

"Actually I agree with what you posted here, but on the brighter side of things, a cure for HIV is coming soon.

There have been 5 breakthroughs in the past 6 months regarding scientific studies on treating HIV. The latest promising venture is from Israel where they used a vaccine to block HIV from connecting to uninfected cells, they then combines this with current inhibitor treatments, they were able to eradicate HIV from monkeys using this method. Looks real promising for people too, although those studies are still about a year away in people.

In France, they treated 80 patients with nothing but a single dose vaccine injection recently designed, from just one injection, they were able to reduce the viral load BY 90%, or greater in 78 of the 80 volunteers! Most have sustained the 90% plus reduction for going on 18 months. Some are still seeing the virus be reduced even at 18 months out. Several are now at undetectable levels, or less then 50 parts per sample! This is not a cure, but if this procedure holds in the pattern it is, it would mean a once per three year, maybe even only once per five year vaccine injection and this would be able to suppress the virus indefinitely.

There are scores of promising studies from the USA too, these are more aimed at long term treatment and suppression through single dosing, eventually the goal is to reduce dosing to a once per month pill or injection.

I read an article last month, that most HIV top scientist estimate a cure, or long term, easy treatment will be widely available in the next 5 years or less."

[Dickhead]

What is your source for that 22/1200 or 1.8% statistic? I mean, I know you are full of bullshit and don't have a source for it, but I'm just checking. And if you should happen to have a source, which I know you don't because you are so full of bullshit, what percentage of the people in the numerator are intravenous drug users?

I bet you could take an IQ test and it would come up negative as well.

[Abse2]

People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.

I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.

Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.

So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible

Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.

Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.

Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please!

You had 600 BBBJ but no Hiv so where is the logic.

[GettingTang]

People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.

I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.

Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.

So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible

Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.

Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.

Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please!

[Dickhead]

One way to be really, really safe is to just stay home and jack off. Be sure to wear latex gloves and a condom while you do it though. I am laughing my ass off at these last two guys.

[Gallo Ingles]

As a basically paranoid person I have taken measures to avoid any and all skin to skin contact in the pubic region. Call me extreme, but I can't imagine anything worse than bringing home some microfriends to share with my loved ones.

Get yourself a piece of very thin sheet of (latex?) rubber and cut out a six inch square. Mine came from a physical therapy band . It is a thin rubber used for stretching to strengthen muscles. I imagine a hospital supply store might have it; I got it for therapy for an injured knee.

Anyway, make a small hole in the middle so that it stretches as you slide your dick through it. Don't overestimate your size (as so many of us do *s*) as you want it to fit fairly snugly.

Get a pair of tight fitting nylon exercise shorts or underwear. I bought mine at Target. They are perfect: seamless and lightweight with no fly. Cut a small slit in the front where your dick is.

Here is how it works: With dick sufficiently hardened, put on the condom or better yet have your princess do it for you. Slide the condomed dick through the latex square. This will be your gasket. Finally, put on your shorts and pull your dick through the hole. Now you have a covered shaft, base, and the entire lower part is protected by the shorts.

You may need to experiment a bit to get the right fit, but you can set up a pretty impermeable barrier this way.

Fuck as long and hard as you want with the confidence that none of her juices, sweet as they may seem at the moment, will come into contact with your privates.

I know, it may look and sound silly and cause bemusement on the part of your partner, but I believe that the protection is worth any humiliation. In fact, I have found that a lot of my consorts have praised me for being so careful. They don't want to catch anything either.

Anyone else done anything like this?

[John Dough]

Is it just me, or do condoms leave an area of skin uncovered at the base? When the woman is on top fluid could drip. Perhaps the solution is to use extra long condoms and stretch them over the boys. Maybe a rubber funnel could be made that would slide on first, and then a condom could overlap it. Any suggestions?

[Domino]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4720457.stm

This dude is spreading the good news about safe sex all over. He gets plenty of sex too.

[GettingTang]

This old boy has had the shit scared out of him about HIV. I've had friends, less sexually active then I was by far in the past catch HIV. I'm an old Navy boy and knew personally, five buddies catch this dreadful disease. FIVE! It was a wake-up call for me. I used to take my blowjobs bare and ALWAYS kept covered for vaginal sex. I also refuse to go downtown and eat out. I personally think this is high risk. Now, I even cover up for a basic BJ. Why you ask? Sure, I have heard all the experts say you can't get HIV from a BJ, but common sense would say otherwise. How often does your mouth bleed? It happens and blood is the most contagious of all body fluids! Not to mention there are some very disgruntled sex workers out there packing HIV. All they would have to do, it make their mouth bleed a little while giving you a BJ and push it down into your penis tip. Not gushing blood, just a little would do. And if you think there are not people out there who would love to infect you, you're fooling yourself!

All this shit about this, or that not being a risk is pure BS. Anytime you exchange body fluids with another person you're at risk. Sure, some activities are much more risky, but why the hell take any risk at all? You pull that s,lot machine handle long enough and eventually you're going to hit the jackpot.

I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years, but it does no good if you already have it. Imagine catching HIV a week before they announce an affective vaccine has been created? Talk about ironic.

You have to protect yourselves at all times. HIV is a damn virus, it does not care if you're an IV drug user, heterosexual, gay, or whatever. If you find some path for it to get into your body, you're doomed. This old boy has officially retired from the heavy mongering scene, I have risked my life for long enough and luckily escaped the wrath this game often brings, without HIV, but when I stop by here and all the bullshit about how you can't possibly catch HIV from straight sex it really pisses me off. Not to mention, what gives any of you the right to place these young girls at risk? Oh because they are poor their life should somehow be worth less? Every life is equal, rich poor, impoverished or not. I'm sure a great many of the regulars on this board are packing HIV, some probably even know it. Makes me sick!

[MonterreyDude]

i agree and you cannot say it better but with harsh and direct words gettingtang.
that is why i do not understand how people can go around looking for bareback sex in other parts of the world (specially sea) thinking that they are getting pristine and untouched pussy...
i really don't....

the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.

however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.

scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.

genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.

this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.

use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked!

[Domino]

Heterosexual Males: Many of these Americans are fucking guys or being fucked by them but will not admit it. Same same as many of the guys who post on the Thai thread.
High Risk Groups: Guys who fuck prostitutes are high risk no matter how many condoms they may purchase.
Probabilities: These are all nonsense. Condom peddlers have an agenda. If you take due precautions, you obviously lessen the chances. But the fact that HIV has not abated over the last 20 years in the USA shows people do not listen to advice. In that sense, there is nothing new under the sun.
Again, fucking skanks is a high risk pursuit. Homosexuals, the HIV NGO parasite industry as well as other societal parasites all have their own agendas to ply.
Perverts: There must be few people more perverse than the scientists who do these experiments.

[GettingTang]

the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.

however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.

scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.

genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.

this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.

use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked!