Safe Sex

[HarryR]

I have used many working girls over the years, mostly in New Zealand as I don't travel very much now. I hate condoms and have on many times gone without protection and the only thing I have ever caught is NSU from a girlfriend over 25 years ago. I have developed a "system" which has never let me down and I "know" when it is "safe" to go without protection. I get regular check ups. I know I am playing with fire, but that is me. I am single now and I try to get as many girls to pose for photos that are posted on a pay site. So sometimes, it works out that I am getting it for free.

If I had the backing, I would do that full time.

LONG LIVE THE BB RIDER! (Hopefully)

[jeffjimman]

Thanks RN! Your post is reassuring. Being careful pays big!

I just wonder about your cervical cancer. I remember hearing that that could be link to some viruses. Any thoughts?

Jeff

[Rubber Nursey]

And Joe...you can "expose" yourself to me anytime babe. I can just picture you in your long, beige trenchcoat.....

[Rubber Nursey]

Well, there's no big secrets, 'coz I've managed to blurt out almost my entire life history on this board already! LOL

Almost $20,000 of it went to paying off my ex-husband's debts, for which I was somehow made legally liable. I completely furnished a four bedroom house from scratch, including ALL the creature comforts. I bought a late model car, and kept upgrading over the five years so I always had the newest model (and they didn't have the time to depreciate and lower the trade-in value). I spent quite a bit of money on work expenses...condoms, toys, lingerie, evening wear, shoes, etc (which is very expensive!), and very large amounts went on daycare for the kids, plus after-hours childcare. I also paid my way through three diploma courses, and two certificate courses (I left school at 15 and had NO qualifications when I started working). Believe it or not, I also gave quite a bit of money to various charities, and I helped out my friends and my sisters when they needed it. And I had a kid in school to pay for.

It actually doesn't add up to quite as much money as it sounds though...we don't get the prices here that girls do in America. At best, we got about $120 an hour, and then paid tax and shift fees and sometimes drivers fees out of that. I often did the "specials" too (in an attempt to attract regular customers), where I got paid very little money at all. For example, at one stage the house was offering $70 for 20 minutes...I got $45 out of that, and still had to pay shift fees and tax. Not even street girls do it for that little!! LOL Plus, obviously sex workers don't get sick leave or holiday pay, so when you stop work for any reason, it eats up any savings you may have.

As for why I quit...I blurted that in another section not long ago. I got cervical cancer, had numerous biopsies and other tests and ended up having surgery...all of which meant I couldn't work for a long time. I also got a "normal" job, and it now takes up too much of my time to do anything else! The main reason I'm broke now is because I took a lot of time off both jobs when I was going backwards and forwards to hospital, and thanks to the ridiculous amounts of credit I took out while I was a sex worker (hoping to build up my credit rating, and never thinking that I may be forced out of the industry by my health), I now live way beyond my means.

And yes...I loved my job. And I miss it a lot.

[Prokofiev]

RN,
Those are pretty impressive numbers. Shows what hard work will do for you. In 30+ years of sex I have only recently gone above 100. Some of the guys claim to be well over 1000 partners and I believe them. Here is the weird part- I know the exact numbers and all their names as well! And about half could still be considered friends! Guess I've lived a rather protected life. And I document things excessively.

But here's my question . . . What happened to the $$$? You should have pulled down a pretty good income, but you make it sound like you're broke. Did you pay taxes on the cash? Why did you stop? It sounds as if you enjoyed your work.

Just wondering . . .

[Joe Zop]

Wow, RN, thats quite a stunning number when you actually put it down. And I say that simply to say to guys who are out in the game -- ok, look, if every sex worker you're with were to have similar numbers, and you were to go once a month for a year, then you're potentially exposed close to fifty thousand sex partners! Mind boggling when you think of it this way, and decidedly an argument for being careful.

At one point in the Thai women section people were adding up their partners, and I figured I was probably in the range of 300-400 overall. If all of them had the numbers RN posted, which might well be conservative in the Thai trade (not that the majority of my experience is there) that would mean that I've been exposed to well over a million of my partners' partners. Pretty scary when you think of it. Since it's the obvious question to be asked, no, I've never caught anything, and yes, I am fairly careful.

And all that without even the priviledge of being exposed to RN other than on this board, sigh...

[Rubber Nursey]

thank you jeffjimman

ok...i added some stuff up for you and it sounds terrible! lol (i hate thinking about the numbers) i worked fulltime for 5 years but occasionally had a week off here and there, so i worked it out using 4 days a week to try and balance it out. clients would range anywhere from none to 12 in a day, but the average would be about 4 or 5. keep in mind that many of my clients were regulars, so i used 4 clients a day to work it out. (i know it's not very scientific...math is not my forte!) the grand total over 5 years is...*splutter*...4160.

i never caught a disease during the time i was working. that said, you need to realise how careful i was. condoms were totally compulsory...i never once did any service without one. i did a visual check for stds before getting down to business, and if i had found anything i would have turned him down. i was extremely mindful of cuts and scrapes on any part of my body. i used plenty of lube and i am pretty darn well-practiced at using a condom...i only remember 2 incidents where the condom broke out of all those times. i didn't do any fetish stuff that may have drawn blood or which meant i would come in contact with other bodily fluids, eg. "[CodeWord118]". and i always showered (often with anti-bacterial soap) immediately after the service.

risk is a hard thing to determine though. for instance...what if none of my clients had a disease? that would mean condoms could have leaked or skin may have touched during that time, but i wouldn't have caught anything anyway. perhaps if one of them did have a disease, i would have caught it regardless of how careful i was?

most hookers that i know who have caught something, have caught it from their partners. when you're not at work you are less likely to be strict about condom use, and more likely to have your decisions swayed by lust, trust and/or alcohol. men also tend to let down their guard a bit when they are not in the company of a presumed "drug-addicted, diseased prostitute". i think it was bigwang who referred some time ago to it being like playing russian roulette...some people may be able to put the gun to their head and pull the trigger five times and it doesn't go off, but others will blow their head apart the first time. it's a game of chance really, and the only way to increase your odds is to treat every partner as potentially infected.

[jeffjimman]

Hi RN and thanks for posting here!

It's so hard to find stats on the risks of getting diseases -- I'm interested in the incurables, of course, and then you always hear, "well, there's still a risk if you use a condom..." HIV seems very low-risk if you use a condom, but HIV and warts?

So... I don't know if this is stuff you'd like to share, but did you get any diseases, and if so, which ones? And how many times have you had sex with clients? This is just to get a feel for the risks.

Thanks for any info at all.

Jeff

[Rubber Nursey]

LOL GuessWho! YUCK!!

Just for the record, I didn't mean that every woman who has a bad smell going on down there has a disease...just that many infections DO cause a bad smell, and it could be considered a bad sign. But some "clean" women are just unfortunate I guess! (As are the men unlucky enough to find out the hard way!!! LOL)

[Guess Who]

RN,
I read your post on the smelly discharge. Interesting enough, however I've been in that situation. Once this girl hopped in my car and I swear it smelled like rotting fish. Needless to say I discharged her out of my car, nicely of course. I used the ol' I forgot my wallet line. One other time was with a girlfriend of mine. I went down on her and almost gagged. She was clean as far as I knew, maybe just bad timing. Eeeeew!

[Rubber Nursey]

People are going to call me a hypocrite for saying this, but I always allowed oral sex on me. Still would, to this day. Obviously I would NEVER do anything if it looked like there was even a remote chance that he had a coldsore, and I would often refuse men who had stubble or wiry beards. Letting my skin get scratched and irritated before sex would be dangerous.

As for "sucking butt", my butt was TOTALLY out of bounds!! LOL Anal stimulation on me of any kind completely turns me off, and that's not conducive to a mutually enjoyable service. I wasn't the type of girl who would just grin and bear it...if I didn't enjoy it, I didn't do it. My clients had pretty much free reign over my body, and I didn't have too many silly rules about what they could and couldn't touch (girls that say "Yes you can have sex with me, but you can't touch my breasts or my vagina, REALLY confuse me!!). But my backside was the only thing they were not allowed to go near. Mind you, most clients were happy to accept that.

[luvsmellingit]

RN,

As a pro, how do you handle requests to eat you out?

I like eating pussy and sucking butt. Do you let a client suck butt?

[Joe Zop]

Proko -- I always just tend to make the inspection be part of the game, much in the same way RN approaches it. Usually a few compliments along the line of "I'm sorry, you're incredible, I want a closer look" or something to that effect, combuned with some gentle manual stimulation (being very careful, as many providers are understandably concerned about being roughtly handled or digitally penetrated) will do the trick. Most providers I've been with just seem to take it as part of the stimulus package. I am just looking for the obvious as opposed to doing any kind of really comprehensive check, trusting that the condom will do the majority of the protecting.

[Rubber Nursey]

Proko,

Really, you shouldn't need to get a look inside. Anything in there will (hopefully) be kept away from you by the condom. It's the outside...inner thighs, buttocks, labia...that's the real risk for skin-to-skin infections. I know it's not the same in all countries, but heaps of Western hookers are now sporting the Brazilian or fully shaven look...you should be able to see every bit of skin that matters. But it is soooo hard to find warts and things in a mass of pubic hair right under a man's balls!! LOL

I prefer a "disguised" DC rather than getting a lamp out and poking and prodding around...it just seems so clinical! Plus, if I have already fondled him, massaged him and made him feel good, there is less chance of things going horribly wrong when I tell him I've found something nasty. By then he's already horny, and he would be more likely to accept a change in service (eg hand relief instead of sex) rather than being told at the outset "Nope, sorry, can't have sex with you. What do you want me to do instead?".

I still think that it's worth a try asking a woman to let you look. If you make out that you think she's diseased she will probably be really pissed off. But if you made it clear that you wanted it to be safe for BOTH of you, she would probably understand...even if she did feel a little uncomfortable about it. Like I said, it is a great relief to know that your client is concerned about his sexual health. The simple fact that you can be sure he won't try and take the condom off during the booking makes the whole service more relaxed.

PS This will sound really gross, but the first symptom that women get in nearly all STD infections...not skin-to-skin ones of course...is an offensive smelling discharge. If things smell really "fishy" down there, (especially if she's just had a shower and she should be smelling fresh) it could be a sign that she has something.

[Prokofiev]

paddy,
i things i were refering to are actually "wet ones-anti-bacterial" singles. active ingredient=benzethonium cloride .3% don't know if that's good or bad, but they are the size of a condom and i always take them with me.
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rn,
i keep telling you that you are not the "typical" sex provider. at least not in my experience. i do think many women would be offended and i have yet to find a pro who asked me "what do you think?" with her legs wide open, but i'll keep looking. meantime, i find it interesting that you too used the sneak a peek method rather than just looking directly. hmmm. that's a lot easier for the woman to do since the man is more prominently displayed than a woman. in fact for most women, simply opening their legs would not be sufficient to get a peek inside.