Safe Sex

[Rubber Nursey]

proko,

yes, i have had men who asked if they could "have a bit of a look". i have also had men who try to sneak a peek at things as the service starts, but are too shy to ask outright. i would always turn my body a bit for them, to make sure they could see properly. sometimes i would even give those guys a bit of an "excuse" to look at things closely...for example opening my legs and saying "so what do you think?" (sorry, that sounds crass on the board, but it's very different during a service! lol) it gives them a chance to have a good look, and then say something corny like "it looks perfect. seeing it makes me wanna...." instead of having to mention stds at all. often (and this will sound even more crass) i would sit on his chest and bend over towards his penis, raising my bottom in the air. to him it seemed like i was just playing with his dick when i was actually doing a dc, and it also meant that he got a good chance to check me out too! even if a man demanded that i lay down while he checked me out by torchlight...i'd be fine with it. the fact that a man is concerned enough about his own health to actually do an inspection, makes me feel a lot safer.

i do agree that many women might be offended though...i guess that's the difference between someone who approaches the job as a "professional courtesan" and someone who just wants you to do them and get out. i would like to think that i made my clients feel comfortable enough with me to actually ask straight out if they had concerns. i also had nothing to hide.

i never did an actual "dick check" in the whole time i worked. i did what you mentioned...i would blend the check into the service so that the client didn't feel uncomfortable being under scrutiny. once i was sure that there were no visible diseases i would do the "lets turn down the lights a little" thing. i know not all girls will make things so easy for you to take a look, but hopefully there would be enough lights on time for you to at least take a quick peek. if all else fails, i would actually ask outright. if you say it nicely...or even say that you want to look at her because it turns you on...i think most girls would be ok with it.

[Prokofiev]

RN,
Just wondering, but have you had clients who demanded a visual inspection of your genitals? And if so, how did you feel about it? Insulted? Objectified? Or happy that they actually cared? Most women do NOT seem to like the idea of men inspecting them and this includes professionals. Very often, say at a massage parlor, the women will look at you during the massage or during a shower/body shampoo without making it obvious that they are doing it. Some professional Houses -like La Yegua in Mexico, make it a part of their routine. However, letting you look at them is another matter. They dim the lights and definitely don't want you looking inside. I don't know if they are embarrassed or have something to hide. And I have never had the nerve to demand a close look. How many of you guys actually look closely at a woman before sex? Even with a new girlfriend. Usually the lights are low and to me it would seem unacceptable to turn on all the lights and inspect things first. Just wondering . . . -P

[Rubber Nursey]

I'd agree with Joe and Proko, Paddy. (Of course, don't forget I'm not a real RN!) I know myself and other working girls used to shower with Dettol liquid soap after a booking, which is an anti-bacterial body wash. We also left it in the showers so that clients could use it before and after the booking too. I'm not positive about exactly how effective it is in stopping skin-to-skin infections, but my reasoning is that is definitely can't hurt! It makes sense to me that washing off any nasties that haven't yet gained access to your skin, has to be better than doing nothing at all.

The best way to avoid skin-to-skin infections (as Joe mentioned) is a visual inspection. The majority of those types of infections have very visible symptoms, and when sores, etc are present, it is usually the most infectious time. Obviously not all diseases are visible though, and some are only visible SOME of the time (for example, herpes is still infectious during the "shedding" period...shortly after the blisters have healed...but you can't see it). It's worth looking at pictures of various STDs, so you can be sure to pick them up straight away during the inspection. There are some good sites on the net with graphic pictures of various infections. The "dick check" provides added protection for the working girls, so theres no reason why clients shouldn't do the same.

Personally, I'd be careful using powerful things such as alcohol swabs if you are intending on having sex again soon after. (Like in a "two cum" party or an allnighter). That stuff can really irritate your skin, which I would presume may actually make you more susceptible to infection on the second round. That's not medical fact of course, just my opinion. I've seen people break out in a rash from using detergents and anti-bacterial creams that were too strong for their sensitive skin. You might want to try it out prior to actually using it with a working girl, just in case.

[Joe Zop]

Paddy -- certainly that can help, particularly in the case of herpes and HPV. The whole key is to avoid getting them into your system, and cleaning the skin where exposure has taken place can help minimize the risks. Most place I've seen recommend washing both before and after as a way of minimizing the germs present. If you're combining condoms with sanitizing, along with a visual examination to make sure there are no obvious sores or genital warts, then you are about as safe as you can manage if you're still going to play. Just be careful -- that can sting when you're getting near the sensitive parts! And irritating that area is counterproductive.

[Prokofiev]

Paddy,
I have started to use anti-biotic "Handy Wipes" , the kind that come in single use foil to clean your hands. Doubt that they are more effective than anti-B soap but are easier to carry around. I also carry some Nizoral cream (Ketoconazole 2%) which is a prescription anti-B cream that is very effective against fungi and skin-skin contact infections. Ask your dermatologist.

-P

[Paddy]

Hi RN and Guys,

I know that a condom will not protect people if hepres, HPV, molluscum and other viruses lie above or outside the condom. I've read that these nasty little viruses often hide in the pubic hair which isn't covered by a condom. It's the direct skin-to-skin contact that causes transmission and if the condom doesn't cover the infected area, you're out of luck. RN has spoken about this before and she's right.

OK, here's my question. I once read somewhere that one can prevent these contact viruses if one immediately washes all around the groin and pubic areas with soap and water after removing the condom??? I asked a dermatologist about this recently and he said it would certainly help. He went one step further and strongly recommended alcohol wipes to kill any viruses on the skin. He said that alcohol would even be more effective than soap and water which is reasonable.

RN, have you ever heard of this before? What are your thoughts?

What do you guys think? Has anyone ever heard of this procedure before? It could really cut down on the transmission of those nasty little viruses if true.

Thanks and it's good to be back!

[jeffjimman]

Viagra + Ecstacy?

I have no problem getting erections with my gf... except when I tried the happy pill: my Johnson withered. It wasn't a big deal, since we were happy anyway, but having sex would definitely be a plus!

So, I wonder if anyone has experice with V+E. Is the full 100mg way too much? Cut it in half? Quarters? Side effects?

[gonzo56]

thanks joe. it's a big relief to know. i am going to make an appointment to be tested for other std's sometime this week. hope those results come out well also.

[Joe Zop]

Congrats, gonzo! Always great to have peace of mind, even if you intellectually know the odds are in your favor.

[gonzo56]

just got back from the clinic. tested negative for hiv! fuck yeah!

[Joe Zop]

The CDC defines kissing as low-risk activity for HIV transmission. There's a really small chance of HIV passing via kissing, but only if both you and your partner have cuts or sores in your mouths or if one does and the kissing is prolonged and intense enough to damage the other's mouth or lips. The bottom line is that saliva doesn't contain or pass HIV. Syphilis can pass via kissing under mostly the same conditions as HIV. The main risks are non-STD -- glandualr fever, mono, and oral herpes is also a possibility, but that's reasonably common, and different from the genital kind.

[sz_barber]

any chance of catching AIDS or other STD when I wet-kiss
a hooker ?

Last week when I was with a hooker, she stucked her tongue
into my mouth. I normally dont kiss a hooker, but I couldnt
resist this time and wet-kissed with her for five minutes.
Now I am worried I might still get some diseases even
though I used condom during sex.

[Darkseid]

Originally posted by RN
zel66,

I know how nervous you must be. I found myself on the receiving end of a broken condom a couple of times in my working life...a MUCH scarier position to be in mind you! ...and just thought I'd let you know that I never caught a thing. You should really have a full STD screen between three and ten days after a condom breakage, to pick up any of the "minor" nasties that you may have been exposed to. Then you need an HIV test at three months, and again at six months. Try not to panic too much though...as has been said by these guys already, the chances of a man catching HIV from a woman, especially one that insists she uses condoms all the time, are pretty darn slim.

And guys....I have heard too many men here saying "The condom broke. Maybe I should have a test now". As sexually active adults having sex with multiple partners, you should be having REGULAR testing! Don't wait for a condom scare to force you to take responsibility. How about thinking of the risk that YOU present to the HOOKERS for a change. It's pretty darn selfish to expect girls to have constant screening to protect YOUR health, when you guys show so little concern about the sex workers health. A condom breakage may cause YOU a little embarassment and inconvenience when you go and get antibiotics, but it could cost a sex worker one or two months INCOME while she is treated. Or it could end her "career" for good. Do you have any idea how terrified WE are when the condom breaks???

Not trying to be nasty...just making a point

I agree that it is more scary for the person on the receiving end of the broken condom than for the giver. The men that the prostitute services do not get tested for diseases. The prostitute in the parlour environment does get tested. The customer is not required to get tested so if the condom breaks, the prostitutes may catch hatever weird stuff he has.
The broken condom thing did happen to me in Brazil, and it happened twice. The first time it happened was with a non-pro I dated on my first trip to Brazil. She was a great first impression of all Brazilian women. After dating her and comparing her to American women, I no longer desired American women. I had sex with her so many times that I had the condom breaking incident. When it broke inside her, it felt strangely better and I ejaculated in her like I do when I wear the condom. When I pulled out, we were both shocked and scared. She was fortunate I didn't have anything weird and that she had the morning after pills available to her (they sell them in the local drug stores in Brazil). I was worried that I would be a father and that she would come to my home carrying a kid that was mine but then she e-mailed me saying she took the morning after pill and that she tested negative for pregnancy. I was relieved. I also tested for diseases on myself so I could make sure I didn't give her any diseases and I tested negative for HIV and the other STDs. I had a complete STD test. I did it for her sake as well as my own because I really liked this girl. I then e-mailed her with the good news.
The second time it happened was with a parlour girl. She was having her period when it happened and she scratched the condom to break it when it happened. Before she scratched the condom, it felt less sensitve but she reached down and scratched the condom and it broke. I felt the greater sensitivity and after a while, I came into her and pulled out my dick with blood all over it. It is not the safest thing to do but at least I know she had been tested each month. This was one of the more expensive high class establishments in Brazil. I still got tested and tested negative. Thank God. This experience would have been a trillion times more scary with a street hooker who I don't know if she was tested and uses IV drugs especially with blood gushing on my cock.

[gonzo56]

i meant, she said she does not expect me to test positive. doh!

RN, i only had the hiv test done so far. i know i'm stupid and i should be tested for other std's. but like joe_zop said.....hiv is the one people most worry about and i am no different. i will go get tested for other std's later but for me it is most important to know first that i don't have hiv. because to put it bluntly......i don't want to die.

[Rubber Nursey]

Guess you are an advocate for high-risk behavior after all...

The biggest risk involved with PVC catsuits, is that any man within eyeshot suffers a sudden and immediate shortage of blood flow to the brain! *wicked grin*