Safe Sex

[Joe Zop]

zel66 -- what you have is potential exposure, which means that your chances of catching something have gone up because the condom broke, but as Brett notes your chances are still pretty low. If the sex worker is telling you the truth and she always uses a condom, then your risk is considerably lower still. The problem, of course, is that you don't really know whether what she said is true, so you're likely to obsess on this.

The only study I know of that's looked at AMPs was one that looked at behaviors of sex workers in San Francisco, which found that, yes, all of the workers did wear condoms during intercourse with customers, but not always in their private lives, so there was still some degree of risk. (Of course, three quarters didn't really have relationships in their private lives, but that's a different issue.)

Statistically speaking, Asian women in the US have a very low rate of HIV infection, but nothing I know of has singled out rates for AMPs. Your chances of getting HIV from a single encounter during vaginal sex are fairly low if neither of you have open wounds or sores, but, of course, any chance is enough to make someone nervous, and someone is going to be that one in however many who's the exception.

Since you're nervous -- get checked out. The odds are heavily in your favor, but having peace of mind is never too expensive or big a hassle, in my book.

zel66
Don't worry , the chances of you getting HIV are very very low. Even if she has AIDS it is very unlikely she could transmit it to you during normal intercourse. If you have open wounds on your penis from a cut or untreated venereal disease the chances go up, but I assume you don't. You might still want to get checked out for other sexually transmitted diseases like clamidia etc, but HIV is very very unlikely.

HIV is not a virus that spreads easily, the most common way to get HIV (the AIDS virus) is to share needles with an infected person while taking drugs or to have anal sex with an infected man. If the man has the virus and he cums insde your ass, you would be at very high risk of getting the virus from him.

There have been some surprising studies that show prostitutes are very unlikely to be HIV positive unless they also use drugs that are injected. Unfortunately a fairly high percentage of prostitutes do inject drugs so thier HIV rates are fairly high for that reason.

Another study of gay men who regularly perform oral sex on other gay men without condoms (including a large number that swallow) shows that only a very low number that were HIV positive. This does not mean performing oral sex is safe, but its clearly not the way the virus is usually transmitted between gay men.

Although the HIV virus does not spread easily, many sexually transmitted diseases do. Some of them can be very unpleasant, and some can not be cured. It really is important to wear condoms. Let me re state what RN said in her last post, If a prostitute is willing to have sex with you without a condom you can bet she does the same thing with her other customers. She has a very high likelyhood of having some sexually transmitted disease, and if you do her without a condom, so do you.

[zel66]

Hello everyone. Can someone help me out here? Yesterday i went to visit an AMP. I got FS from the girl. She put a condom on to perform oral and then vaginal sex. But during the vaginal sex the condom broke! Now i am scared out of my mind. What are the chances that i might have been exposed to hiv? Does anyone know? The girl notices how scared i was afterwards and she told me not to worry and that they always have to use condoms with their customers. So does anyone have any idea what the hiv rates are in these AMP's?

[Prokofiev]

The women saw their Gyno. once or twice a year, but did that include AIDS testing? I doubt it. Truthfully I just don't know, but doubt it. If you are interested in the AMP scene, go and get a massage and HJ or covered BJ. That should be safe as anything. Try to judge the health-consciousness of the women and go from there. As RN points out, if BBBJ or FS without a condom is available, then anything goes. You can have alot of fun at an AMP without FS, which will always cost you more. If you have never had a body shampoo or had a small oriental woman walk on your back, you are in for a treat. However, not all AMPs offer these services, but many do.

[sg128]

thanks for replying. i live in a relatively small town but there are plenty of massage parlors around. i always figured that it would be fairly safe to try one but was not too sure. i still don't know if i will go through with it or not but the information you have told me will make it easier to decide. just wondering...seeing as you has a chance to get to know the girls, do you know if they are tested regularly?

[Prokofiev]

SG - No, I haven't, but then it is VERY hard to figure out just where and when a certain person gets infected. Knowing something about about AMP's in the US, I would say it is one of the safer alternatives. Why?
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Usually the girls live on site and know each other and the "house mother" who runs the operation, keeps track of $$ and cooks the food. IV drug use is highly unlikely and seeing men outside of the AMP is strictly prohibited. Most of these women have children and work a month and fly back to their families with money. In most AMP's cleanliness is important and the girls are taught how to "inspect" the men while bathing them or during the massage. Also, despite what you read here, the usual sex act is a HJ or a BJ with condom, both very safe. In short, it depends what you do and how you do it, but in general I think AMP's are some of the safest alternatives.
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My description of an AMP is from knowing a local Korean operation and may not apply to all cities and parlors. For instance SF and NYC would be different, I assume. I got to know the girls and house mother quite well and they told me much of how things worked. Surprisingly - or maybe not - the more I hung around this place, eating dinner with the girls, talking, watching TV (their favorite pastime), the less sexual it all seemed. It quickly lost its erotic allure.

[sg128]

just wondering.............has anyone ever heard of a person being infected with hiv after visiting a massage parlor? i have been thinking about trying one out but i am reluctant because of the risk of contracting hiv.

[Paddy]

Hi RN,

Thanks for your excellent advice and counsel. I've said it before but you should start-up your own internet advice column for profit. I'd subscribe in a second and it would be money well spent. Jackson might have some ideas for you.

I've become very knowledgeable about Molluscum and not only can it be contracted from skin-to-skin contact, but it can be contracted from towels or a Jacuzzi which an infected person has used and not thoroughly cleaned. Luckily, it's very curable and self-limiting even if it isn't treated.

Therefore, the remaining threats for we condom users are Herpes and genital warts for which there is no final cure.

Your thoughts on "alternative" sexual behaviors with a SW are rather intriguing to say the least. Hmm...

By the way, what does "DC" stand for?

Finally, I wish that I lived in Perth.

Paddy

[Rubber Nursey]

Paddy,

As you know, diseases like molluscum and scabies, etc can be caught simply by skin to skin contact. Because of that, there is really no way to be completely sure that you will not catch something from ANY activity you do that involves touching. That said, complete abstinence is hardly a viable option! LOL

I think it comes down to common sense:

a) Don't ever have sex with a girl who offers you a service without a condom. Even if YOU say no, chances are that plenty of guys before you have said yes.

b) Avoid heavy drug users and drinkers. Aside from the increased risk of HIV in IV drug users, addictions can often take precedent over all the other aspects of an addicts life. They also tend to lack self respect, which in turn leads them to care very little about their health. In their defence, addicts who DO go for checkups are often discriminated against by doctors and treated badly, which makes them reluctant to go on a regular basis. Also, sex workers who use while they are working are likely to be less vigilant and alert, and may not have noticed previous clients taking condoms off or having condoms break.

c) Go to a professional. If you go to a woman who is intelligent, happy, friendly and comfortable with her work, she is more likely to treat her job in a professional manner and look after herself. Women who treat it as a business not only often have more self respect than those who feel they are "forced" to work, but they have more respect for the health and safety of their clients...giving someone an STD will NOT encourage repeat custom! Catching something would also put an immediate halt on her income, so it's in HER best interests to stay disease free as well.

d) Learn to do a "DC". Girls do it, so concerned clients should do it too. Get books or get online and find pictures of various diseases and infections. Learn to recognise them and check out the girl during the service. Girls go through the first half of the service checking things out carefully, and if they find something they will either stop the booking or change the service. There's no reason why you guys can't do that too. Don't let your "little head" do your thinking for you...if you see something suspicious, STOP no matter how hard it is to do it! LOL

One of the safest ways to have sex...if you really want to be this careful...is to do it with her bending over or kneeling on all fours on the bed. Doing it standing up works too. You can then control the strokes, making sure that the base of your penis doesn't touch her skin AND that your balls don't either.

Otherwise, there is very little risk in BJs, massage and hand relief, mutual masturbation and, if you really want to be extreme, masturbating yourself while she strips or mastrurbates in front of you. I don't think it's healthy to worry about it TOO much, but a bit of common sense and some caution is definitely recommended. Treat everyone as if they are infected...and that goes for girls that AREN'T hooker too!

[Paddy]

Hi RN,

I know that you're right about the risks even WITH a condom. Herpes, genital warts, etc. I picked-up Molluscum once so you can get bugs even with a condom on. Therefore, I can personally confirm your previous statements.

My question then is if you can catch a nasty STD even utilizing a condom properly, what is left in terms of safety for both parties? I mean, what alternate sexual activities could you suggest if even condoms can't protect us totally? What can a guy do with a SW to completely protect both parties and be erotic and fulfilling all at the same time?

I and many of the other guys could really use your expertise on this one. Thanks much - as always.

[Rubber Nursey]

Barber, Viator and others,

HIV is primarily a blood-borne virus. Yes, it is definitely present in semen, but it is transmitted mainly by blood to blood contact. That is why it is easily caught by people having unprotected anal sex (the lining of the anus tears) and from sharing needles. For the virus to get into your body it needs an entry point, like a cut or tear. Keep in mind though that the virus is extremely small, so even a microscopic tear that you can't even see may be a threat.

HIV is only found in minute amounts in vaginal fluid, (although it's different if she has her period), and is basically non-existent in saliva. You cannot catch HIV from someone drooling on you or sweating on you!!! You cannot catch HIV from french kissing or from caressing a girls ass.

Blowjobs without a condom...you can get chlamydia, gonohorrea, herpes, and a few other nasties. WITH a condom, you can still get herpes if her lips touch your balls or base of the penis.

Sex without a condom...you can catch the works!!

Sex WITH a condom...you can still catch herpes, genital warts and molluscum contagiosum, as well as scabies and other skin to skin bugs.

Viator...If you are only having covered blowjobs from girls you have basically no risk of catching anything, so long as she doesn't put herpes infected lips on the skin that the condom doesn't cover.

Barber...you cannot catch anything from finger-fucking. There may be a risk if she has her period and you have a cut on your finger though. Wash your hands straight after doing it.

Proko...The main reason many hookers don't like fingers inside them is that sharp fingernails can tear the lining of the vagina, leaving them open to infection if the condom was to break during the sex. Strippers may not have to worry about that sort of thing. Dirty fingers can also cause infections. And yes, some girls are concerned that you may have touched your penis (and got pre-cum on your fingers) before you insert them.

[Prokofiev]

Barber,
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Just wash your hands afterwards and you will be fine. The bigger problem is finding a PRO who will let you finger-fuck her. I find it strange, but many refuse. They are afraid you will have something (germs,sperm) on your hands which you would not have on a lubricated condom. Many strip club girls have let me finger them. But SW's and massage patlor women don't seem to like it.

[sz_barber]

will i get any sex diseases by finger-fucking a prosititue ?

someone told me i will catch the disease thru the sweat
on my fingers if I put it inside the girl's vagina, is this true ???


will i catch AIDS even with the condoms ? i am worried 'cus
normally condom doesnt cover the penis all the way to my
balls.l

[jeffjimman]

Hey, Viator and Cumonher, I have a question for you.

Since you like to have sex without a condom (I do this with girlfriends after a few weeks), did you get any STDs, even "harmless" ones like herpes? Or did you have it already? After all, 15% have the big H.

I used to be paranoid around gfs, but after all, as long as you don't get AIDS or hep B, it's not really that big a deal.

[Viator]

> Dont bother asking these girls anything,,they lie about anything and everything........If you assume they are druggies you will be right most of the time,,even the ones who look fresh and clean are mostly drug users. I am always respectfull to sex workers...but never trust them about anything. Most will rip you off if they think your an easy mark. I have always felt that incall is the safest

Hi Brett,

I am no expert either, but that's probably a difference between prostitution in Europe and the States: it's unlikely here to get robbed by *****s, especially non-Black ones. Blacks can be a bit more dangerous. I have lots of experience in Germany and Italy, and I have always felt pretty safe. Also, I read newspapers on a regular basis, and I only read once of a trick being robbed by a hooker. Either things are a bit more friendly, or robbery is considered a deterrent to the business... :-)

A problem I noticed with addicts is that, especially as they are at the beginning of their carrier (and still looking decently fresh) they are at times pretty clumsy at blowing your dick, so that you get spittle trickling on your loins...a plastic sheet would be sufficient to deal with the problem, but I always felt it to be too ridicolous an arrangement to be proposed :-(

Any idea on this subject?

Viator

PS: a funny note - one of these desperado girls last Friday told me that she and her boyfriend needed the money I was handling her to buy their engagement rings... when they're under effect of some substance you can expect the craziest lies! Anyway, I decided to play the role, asking her if she planned to bear lots of children, and wishing her and her boyfriend long life and a happy marriage. Boy! Anyway, everything was said in a kind and relaxed fashion, and we separated in good terms.