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[Shark16]

Hey Shark16,
Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS)

Pretty much my sentiments, too. Inflationadjusted prices should be around 60- 65 E for a quality session in Hessen (maybe 70 E with this year's inflation). Not more. Therefore I would be happy to tip a bit above 50 E hh if the performance is good.

Where we part a bit is the pessimistic tone of "it is not possible to negotiate". It IS possible. Even with the prettiest girls. Even without losing any quality in her performance. Just be friendly and not act like the cheapest of charlies. The girls expect some resistance when quoting prices. I know, because even on my recent trip half my sessions were 100 E /60 (Oase / Sharks).

I also experienced a couple of girls quoting 200 E /60. Probably around 5- 8% of the girls I was chatting up. The two girls would not back down, but would be happy to include some extra services, I. E. 150 E for a GFE + 50 E for an extra. So not any big surprise really. I politely declined. There were many good and better alternatives around. And I had just been fully satisfied in the room with a regular for 100 E /60.

No girls quoted 250- 300 E for plain services as rumoured on ISG. A girl explained to me that they would risk being kicked out if they asked too much for nothing. However, I bet they are easily forgiven if doing so during crowded party nights or big fairs.

Yeah, my budget a day used to be 250 E + entrance fee with five solid sessions. Long gone. In the latter years I preferred 3 x longer 100 E sessions. Sometimes I still manage. At other times I have to adjust to 2 x 150 E sessions. Budget still the same resulting in fewer girls getting my money. With less sessions I emphasize more on the quality of spa and garden facilities. The FKK experience (attractive naked girls all around asking for sex) is still unique to me. I am not ready to quit the FKK scene. Not yet. But I may want to explore other FKK clubs in differenct regions / countries (I already have).

Thanks for the source.

- S16.

[Sirioja]

I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.

I agree on 2022, most of Sharks looks don't worth rate they are asking, but at Globe, at least 90% also don't worth 150/30. At Aphrodisia, they are not pretty enough to worth 500/60. When I paid 150/60 for my many rooms with Katalea on 2021, twice on many visits as long she was able to play my GFE standard, I paid less expensive for a prettier girl than at Globe and on highest Globe GFE level when she was more fresh than at Globe, but after 7 rooms, she was not anymore fresh GFE enough for me and I became too big for her tired vagina. I loved when her nipples were talking, hardening and chicken skin.

[Sirioja]

Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.

Yes, in Western Europe, almost 100% increasing for gasoline diesel from April 2020 to now. Reason why I will build my flexifuel for the only real S5 .

[AznHotBoy]

Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.

I'm not complaining about the prices. Reread what I wrote. The Swiss clubs have the same if not higher prices than Sharks at the moment. And I think those prices are justified.

[Deleted by Admin] All I'm saying is that the quality of the girl need to match the price. So the club management can either get Swiss or even Austrian level girls at this current moment for 150 E 30. OR match what other discount clubs like Dietzenbach is offering.

Honestly some of these are even too ugly for RTC clubs.

[ShinyCrazy]

Hey Shiny,
Nice find..

Hey Shark16,

Thanks for your thoughts. In my personal opinion, I think the prices should have gone up to around 60 Euro / HH then eventually 75 Euro / HH for standard service (enthusiastic DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS) at some point before the girls got mad / greedy and started asking crazy money, like 100 Euro / HH. Within the German FKK system, I would be happy to pay 150 Euro / hour for great service. And throw in an extra 50 Euro for CIM. And in speaking with other mongers, that seems to be a shared feeling. Unfortunately, the market appears to have overshot the mark. And I'm afraid it won't return to normalcy.

For most of us, the FKK "vacation" means 4-5 sessions in a wonderful long day. If the sessions are 50-75 Euro per 30 minutes, then you can have an incredible day for under 500 Euro. If the girls are expecting 200 per hour for plain vanilla unremarkable service, then the math simply doesn't make sense. I don't want to pay a 85 Euro entry fee then only do one session. I would rather redirect my vacation time to Colombia or Spain or whatever.

The post was on "bw7", BTW.

[Escape Artist]

Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.

Inflation yes, but nothing else that I know of went up 100%, not even gasoline.

[Shark16]

Hey Shiny,
Nice find. The German guy certainly makes some good points and put things in perspective. I have been in the game almost as long as him, so it was a nice trip down memory lane. Dare I ask in which forum you found it? It could be interesting to see the response from our German colleagues (PM me if the reference violates forum rules).

Yeah, the 2017 law certainly changed things, but not as fast as reports on ISG make it sound, I believe. I remember a discussion in 2018 where a forum member concluded that 100 E /60 was dead and that we all needed to pay 150 E /60 from then on. At that time all my sessions at Oase / World / Sharks were 100 E /60, so obviously I had to object. Post covid that has been a struggle of course, but I am happy to announce that on my last trip in 2021 and my first trip in 2022 I was still able to make it (but World is 120 E /60 of course). A mix of regulars and new girls with no shortchange of optics / performance. On my last two trips I had to adjust some 100 E /60 sessions with 150 E /60 sessions. I acknowledge that 150E/60 is the going rate now at Oase/Sharks (120E at World) and that you need a bit of effort to get 100E/60. We will see what the future brings.

A couple of myths:

- The best looking girls are impossible to get at 100 E /60. Not in my book. But you have to be patient and selective having the mindset of a hunter and not a pushover. Not easy if you are a first time visitor to a club of course. But if you visit a club regularly (say 2- 3 times a year) then you should afford this hunting game.

- You have to accept what the girl quotes. Not true. Many girls do not expect you to bite (in particular if they recognize you from previous visits). As a regular of mine told me: "We just try to get the guys to agree to a higher quote. Some bite. Some don't. If we quote too high and gets a complaint, we risk being kicked out. " Just keep the discussion friendly and see what happens. If she won't back down, then at least try to get an extra included. You will be surprised how many girls that will agree. Or simply smile, thank her for her time, walk away, and find someone hotter.

I have nothing against guests who pay a higher rate. If you have the money, then go for it. But if you, like me, are on a budget and need to adjust, then my two cents are to enlighten everyone about the possibilities out there.

Have fun.

- S16.

[Blake011]

Shark's management is complete shit and eventually it will be a ghost club. They need to do 1 of 2 things. Either control the prices to match the quality of the girls or control the quality of girls that can come work. Right now they're literally not doing anything. Some of these wild animals that they call girls are asking Swiss prices. Have they looked at a mirror? Maybe they don't have mirrors in the jungle, but I'm not paying 150 E 30 or even 100 E 30 for a baboon. I don't know who in their right mind is paying these prices at Sharks when there are many, many other clubs that charges less and have higher quality optics. Maybe there is something in the water in Darmstadt all these men are losing IQ? Shit, go to Switzerland and spend that same money for a higher quality girl.

Hate to break it to you, there is near world wide inflation, and all manner of logistic issues raising the costs for everywhere. To say nothing of food shortages, tourism still on the edge (which means less work for them), the higher risk during the pandemic, to say nothing of the energy crisis. The businesses themselves will be doing it rough to keep the building afloat, let alone profiting. So of course the women are raising their prices, as to no doubt what they have to pay more to the house and to support themselves. To them its a livelihood, for us it is a first world hobby. Who on earth could blame them for raising prices! Everything is going up.

[Sirioja]

On 2021, you could get pretties like Cena, her friend T, even Cosmina with some French, not me, fresh full natural German Daisi ex Palace, for 100/60, with full GFE with Cena and T with who I had weekly rooms. I visited weekly. Not many tourists. On 2022, prettiest are not on business and girls seem to think they can ask what they want, but we have to be able to control. On 2022, I weekly go elsewhere, when Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan except pretty Ukrainian Lana but she can t get me deep inside her, are not good for me, when I still discover good girls for less expensive than in Hessen which is not on top. I don't read German forums because I know we don't play same game with girls.

[ShinyCrazy]

I found this lengthy post in one of the local German forums. It is translated into English. It's a great explanation of the history of pricing in FKK clubs from someone who manages one. For those of us who are still frustrated that girls are trying to charge ridiculous prices, and are rethinking the viability of the FKK model, here are some thoughts to consider.

Statement by an operator on pricing policy in clubs, brothels, etc.

Hello everyone,

I am an operator in the middle of BW. I'm writing to you today because I'm just tired of reading your comments about prices over and over again and also making you mad about food and cleanliness and what you still have. I write to you anonymously to simply spare me certain discussions with other operators and prostitutes, but I think I will speak from the soul of one or the other operator or prostitute here. I have been traveling in the red light milleu since I was 17 years old and am now almost 50 years old, so I know what I am talking about. Of course, there will be one or the other angle lawyer or know-it-all here again who tears this report apart or tries to shine with any google links, but I'll say it right away: "DON'T MAKE AN EFFORT I WON'T ANSWER IT. ".

I'll just try to give you an insight, even if I know that it won't help and the discussions here will continue for years to come. Maybe I'm lucky and only one understands it and won't write anything about it anymore.

So let's get started.

I'll go a little further and take a jump back into the 90's.

Almost every one of you still knows the Atlantis in Altenstadt. According to my memory, they have always paid 100 DM for 30 min. This included French without, tongue kisses and traffic so-called girlfriend sex. Extras were required for body insemination, mouth squirting and anal etc.

At that time, with some exceptions, no Romanian and Bulgarian prostitutes were traveling in the.

In 2002, the euro was introduced and from 30 min = 100 DM.

50 were made for 30 minutes.

The profession of prostitute was also officially recognized in 2002.

In 2004, eastward enlargement began with Czech Republic, Poland, Slovenia and Hungary, etc. Some will remember that all the clubs and houses were full of these nationalities. The ladies from these countries came from poor countries (by our means) at that time. These ladies have adopted this pricing policy and everything else that goes with it 1:1.

These ladies also paid great attention to your appearance and learned our language in the fastest possible time so that we could also talk to you in our native language and also tell you what preferences you have.

These ladies definitely did not want to get back into their means, that's why they learned and participated so quickly and made an effort because in these countries a construction worker or warehouse worker earned 3-400 a month and one of these ladies suddenly earned up to 1000 + a day, which was of course utopian at that time when you considered earning almost 3 monthly salaries like in.

In 2004, the state also gradually found out that you can earn from prostitution because all clubs and houses were full. Before that, everyone knew it only behind closed doors about it and acted.

The thesseldorf procedure was first introduced in the 60's as far as I know. In thesseldorf, therefore, thesseldorfers also proceed. But I don't want to go any further into this topic, otherwise we'll still be there tomorrow.

In 2007, Romania and Bulgaria were also admitted to the EU and part of eastward enlargement.

Here, too, the ladies came from poor backgrounds (some cases even poorer ones as those described above), just as the ladies already came in 2004. These ladies also took over the business model 30 min= 50 almost 1:1.

Except that the extras were screwed and the ladies didn't do everything like the ladies from 2004.

Supply and demand was the reason why the ladies moved from 2004 to Austria and Switzerland.

Suddenly there were all pretty 18-year-old Black Sea Romanians and Bulgarians and everyone wanted to try something new and only booked these ladies. The ladies from 2004 were expelled to neighboring countries to earn money at all, because you knew you were getting older and don't have time to earn money forever. The ladies from 2004 took the business model with them to Austria and Switzerland when it comes to acquisition on the customer. The next generation has also no longer come to Germany, but directly to Switzerland and Austria. The price has of course been adjusted.

Since from 2009, about 70% of the working ladies were only Romanian and Bulgarian and the remaining 30% were still mixed with exotics such as Cubans, Asians and German ladies, only 1% exotics are now on the way.

2010 to 2016, and the tariff for 30 min is usually still 50 for 30 minutes on average with tongue kisses and French without and licking etc. Etc. Without various extras.

In 2017, the new Prostitution Act was passed.

The new law contains many changes, not only for customers and prostitutes, but also for operators to protect the working ladies more, which also makes sense.

Among other things, the new law allows the working ladies to regularly go to the order and health office in order to register and to inform themselves about their rights as (in quotation marks) independent service providers.

Instead of getting upset about price discussions and venting bad food and cleanliness and your displeasure here, you should perhaps ask the ladies what happens at the public order office and health office appointment when they are there.

Probably few people know about you. That's why I'm doing some clarification on the customer.

The public order office and health office informs the ladies that only protection may be used.

That the ladies are independent service providers and may determine your working hours and prices themselves and not the company where you work.

That's why sometimes only a handful of ladies are already there at noon or just after work.

That you can set your work clothes yourself and don't have to walk naked if you don't want to.

That if you don't want to, you don't have to drink champagne or cocktails because it harms your health, etc.

And so I can give you 20 other examples.

Or why do you think there is no more proseccotag or lingerie day or no more attendance lists in some clubs or only dangerous information on the homepage regarding ladies?

Of course, every operator would like to show on the Internet what they have and what there is. He would also be stupid if he didn't do it, he attracts customers ashore, but legally this is no longer quite easy because you immediately slip into an employment relationship with the ladies and then have to pay social security contributions for it as an operator, even though they are independent service providers. So everything is a bit more complicated and too long to do here.

The health office now comes to us in the houses every 3-4 weeks, the public order office also comes to the house every 3-4 weeks in the same rhythm for control and the church Caritas is also there every 6 weeks to talk to the ladies what it looks like and how you are. In this day and age, not a single operator will lean out of the window and thus jeopardize its professional existence.

I just found that while cleaning up my office.

That you can see that they are not fairy tales what I tell you what the operator blooms in case of non-compliance.

Friday March 13th, 2020.

Corona lockdown. Public order office and police come in the evening at 8 pm And put the disposal for immediate closure on the table until April 19.

Everything has to close. Everyone knows what happened, I don't need to go into it.

30 min still at 50.

Almost everywhere in BW.

But what hardly anyone knew. After the first lockdown, the ladies were unfortunately not allowed to pursue prostitution in brothels, because they were closed. Therefore, these ladies moved to any pension rooms or private apartments or on the street. Probably 80% of the working ladies are back to their home countries during Corona, and stayed there for the time being. The other 20% that have remained here have of course seized the favor of the hour and adjusted the prices conditionally for Corona. As already written above, supply and demand.

Of course, these ladies have earned good money and after 16 months of forced closure, they have maintained the prices, and the advanced ladies have of course taken over 1:1 again.

The ladies working until then did not receive a single cent of corona help except for a few individual ones who worked with a tax number or anything else from the German state, although these ladies paid 25 to the tax office every day. The ladies where they received emergency aid had to pay back 95% of it. Of course, they want to somehow bring the 16 months back in now.

What I'm trying to explain to you is:

The operator cannot set prices for the ladies because they are allowed to set their own prices according to the 2017 law.

The operator has the house right and can say that with me the 30 min costs 50 and if the lady does not comply with it, she has to leave the house.

But what does the lady do where the house leaves?

She goes to another house and does the same where the operator is not interested in what you asks for 30 minutes, but who is only interested in paying your rent or entrance fee. There are many women, there are also many men. Very simple principle. Both in the Laufhaus and in the club. That's why every operator goes along and looks away at what happens in the current pricing policy, because no one sends their money away and leaves anyone to others.

And no operator now introduces 50 again for 30 minutes and takes a risk and thus loses 90% of the ladies to hope that 5 guests come a day where they are happy that it costs only 50 here.

Review it.

We started with 100 DM in the 90's, so 50 this has generally lasted until 2020. That's approx. +/- 25 years.

What did a bread or gasoline or rent cost or or 25 years ago?

In my opinion, no price was as stable as the Dirnenlohn in the last 3 decades.

Of course, 2 or 300 are too much for 30 minutes, but if there are people who pay for it, why should the ladies go down with their prices? They prefer to wait the whole day for a customer where 300 pays like they go to the room 6 times for 50. And if they didn't have a customer today for 300 then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow there will be 2 or 3 customers where 500 pay for it. Also some reports here about operators that they should not comment and say something.

Every time I laugh at death about it when I read something like that. The only thing that interests me here and probably also the other operators is when someone writes about how many ladies are in our houses and how the food was and the location, because that is free advertising for us as operators and brings new reading customers, but the rest? Whether the coffee tasted good or there was enough carbon dioxide in the cola or the shower gel is empty, no one here itches from the operator's point of view.

I didn't really want to write that much. Nevertheless, thank you for those who read it until the end. I also didn't want to attack anyone personally, but just wanted to disclose the operator's view of general pricing policy where they have been around here in the forum for months. I will also not answer anything in the comments but quietly read along again and probably have a delicious time again. As a little insider tip from me at the end:

Don't let everything be done with you and go to the security office or the housekeeper or reception and tell us what happened. Sooner or later, every operator notices what's going on. No one will tear your head down for your complaint. I can't promise you whether there will be money back, but a start has already been made with the complaint.

Don't let the fun spoil you.

[DrPoon]

According to the website this one offers "self liberation with hand."

https://www.freudenhaus.de/dortmund/profil/434/janina

Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.

* Facilities.

Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.

All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.

The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.

I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.

* Staff.

Friendly staff. Passable English skills.

* Food..

[GuyBrusg1957]

If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.

Which days should I go for the best experience? I land in Amsterdam on Thursday. I'm thinking a combination of Sharks and Oase during the weekend but should I leave for Zurich on Sunday?

[TraLaLax]

Nice club to relax in, but a somewhat weak lineup. Best for summer visits.

* Facilities.

Inside the club there is a bar area, a kino and a dining area. You can also eat your meals outside on a nice patio.

All the wellness facilities are outside, so the club is best suited for summer visits. There is a heated swimming pool, a sauna and a whirlpool. The whirlpool was out of order.

The club has a very nice garden. Unfortunately, there is very little shade there, so unless you plan on sunbathing, the garden is unusable large portions of the day.

I'm guessing that the club is only a couple of years old, as there is very little wear and tear on the interior. The interior design is modern but a bit dark form my taste. The club was nice and clean.

* Staff.

Friendly staff. Passable English skills.

* Food.

The food was simple, but quite good.

The same buffet was served all day. Salad, fresh bread, cheese, ham, sausages, meat balls, schnitzels and a couple of deserts. The staff kept the hot food hot, and the other food fresh.

Cake was available at the bar. They do not serve beer.

* Girls.

My visit was on a Saturday. I arrived 11:00 and stayed until 21:30.

The entire lineup was present at opening time, 12 girls in total. About half needed to loose some weight. Two girls had to much silicone everywhere. One stunner and three good looking girls. Unfortunately, two of the good looking girls were a bit tall for me.

Spoke to 4 of the girls. Very basic English skills. One of the girls only spoke German. None of the girls I spoke to could carry a conversation.

I had two 30 minute rooms with two different girls. Both had the "hurry up and cum" attitude. One suggested finish with hand when there was still 10-15 minutes left. Add to that mediocre English skills. Needless to say. I did not extend any of the sessions.

From 21:00 to 21:30 I was walking around the club looking for someone to go to the room with. Only 2-3 girls were available, and none of them to my liking, so gave up and left.

* Prices.

The girls charged 40 euro / 30 minutes and 70 euro / 60 minutes. Basic service, covered blowjob.

Don't remember exactly how much I paid for entry. Think it was 50 euro. All inclusive. They do not serve beer.

* Other.

Please note that Kindle and other e-readers are only allowed in the dining area, the wardrobe and in the garden. Also note that most of the inside areas of the club, except the dining area, is too dark for reading paper books.

Also note that while the club provides mouthwash, there are no small cups to drink from, so unless you plan to share the "milk carton" with 50 other men, bring your own mouthwash.

[Be Wilder]

And another one you might want to try is FKK Village which is near FKK World and brand new https://fkk-village.com/ and visiting 2 clubs in Giessen may justify the longer journey from Frankfurt. From memory it takes about 40 minutes by train. Basically if you've a week there's more than enough FKK clubs to keep you occupied in Frankfurt.

[Be Wilder]

Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to hit up Sharks and Oase at least I just hope things have recovered from the pandemic, talent is good. I'm a little nervous with recent reports and I hope I didn't ruin a summer trip.

If it's your first time then I'm sure you'll still be wowed by FKKs. And if you're going for a full week, I'the maybe add a couple of days in Zurich otherwise there are five main clubs in the Frankfurt area. Oase, Sharks, Palace, World, and Mainhatten. My favourite three are Oase, Palace and Sharks. World has a great outlay with huge grounds (as does Oase) but the quantity and quality of the line up rarely justifies making the long trek there. It is near Giessen which is quite far out. Mainhatten I never liked as I went once and most of the girls were rip off merchants (3 of the 5 girls I went with were trying to get more money out of me than their services entitled). All but Palace have outdoor areas so if the weather is nice I'the spend 2 days at Oase and Sharks and 1 at Palace. If you have 7 days, I'the also visit World and Mainhatten but only if the weather was nice and on a day where I needed a recharge knowing I'the only manage one or two sessions and would spend the rest of the day relaxing outside and ideally on a Monday and Tuesday when all the clubs are quieter.