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[SvenFKK]

It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.

From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."

CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.

These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."

Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.

Impact on our hobby?

I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?

SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.

The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.

The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.

FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.

All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.

Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government!

What a load of BS!

[Sirioja]

Funny reading from a long time claimed specialist telling about Sharks example, some girls don t give same to all of us and for same rate. I could add not only at Sharks and quite normal girls behave from what we are. Remind me about fat old uglies going to cry on Bruggen desk about girls who couldn't get in their throat ugly guys tongue tasting beer. Money paid buy time and if we chose extras, but then we have to deserve to receive. I'm even 99% sure girls don t behave same with all of us even in rules clubs like Globe, when was also not at GT or LR.

[Christian G]

I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!

Works fine for me.

[Max #01]

I tried to go to the Partytreff forum just to read what's been going on, or, even if there are any PTs left. The link was dead. Is it just me or has it been taken down? Thanks!

[PumDiPum]

Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?

It is a very romantic question. I like posters who still believe in good old democracy.

From my perspective, and nowadays I am more like a old left hippie punk, non of the 4 parties who could be part of an upcoming German government are politically "left of center."

CDU, FDP and SPD are definitely on the right side of the center. Their politically game and aim is always the same still I can think: Make the rich richer and make the poor become more. CDU and FDP are bit more open, clear and honest about it, SPD is trying to hide this politic a bit more from the voters. Even the Green and their "we will rescue our planet" politic are fully aware of, that they votes are mainly coming from people who don't have to worry about money at the end of the month.

These 4 parties are lobbyists of rich capitalist, not really "left of center."

Three options are still in the race. A Coalition of SPD, Green and FDP (highest chance, I guess) SPD and CDU (second best chance) and CDU, Green and FDP (lowest possibility) The political poker show is still going on, boring.

Impact on our hobby?

I am very bad when it comes to looking into the future. I prefer to look back, there I can see more. Just look at Corona BS and what the current government (CDU and SPD) did. German prostitution system is close to collapse, because I can't be a legal customer anymore. How should some of the hookers survive now?

SPD is very strict when it comes to Corona rules. It is the partie of the old people, old people are still in big danger (even if they are vaccinated), the old people need extra protection. SPD prefers the 2 G rule (vaxxed or recovered) for (example) restaurants, bars and clubs. 2 G means less customers than 3 G. I doubt that sex clubs are happy with less customers.

The Greens are wearing helmet while driving e-bikes. But not because the bikes are too fast, no, because usually they don't have driving license and don't know some basic traffic rules and people who don't know some basic traffic rules are usually what, when they don't "stay at home" ? Right, they are in very big danger. If you are in Germany and you see someone with a FFP2 mask while driving bicycle all by himself, then it is 9 out of 10 times a cop or a cop who is voting for the Greens.

The Greens don't like unvaxxed people, because the Unvaxxed don't show enough hipster solidarity with the pharmaceutical mafia. Agenda sh*t. How should the clubs open when Germany is having a climate Lockdown? You know how much energy clubs like Samya, Sharks or big Artemis are needing? If you ask the Green they would give you the answer, "way to much." I guess the clubs need to become more "green" to stay "relevant" for the moving system.

FDP is selling vaccine, but they are also playing the smooth corona deniers, some opposition. While the other parties are talking about how dangerous little Virus is, FDP is talking about the importance of human basic rights. Maybe it helps, but the Agenda is obviously too powerful.

All in all I would say, the impact from the upcoming government on your hobby won't be that big. Higher prices, lower service, maybe a bit cold and dark in winter, higher prices and you only meet very nice vaccinated people or people with a vaccine ID made in Romania.

Everybody I know is still hating. Make rough love to the local German government!

[Turgid]

Hey guys do you think a left of center government will have any impact on our hobby?

[Sirioja]

What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?

There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.

There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.

We may not have same tastes, I run away from silicon and fat ass, I couldn't find a girl at Mainhattan on Saturday 18 September from noon to 8.30 pm. But best days at Sharks are now from Friday to sometimes Sunday, others are only average casting. At Oase, from Thursday to Saturday. Good if You enjoyed at Palace, I like Palace high level. From the day You choose, You can experience very different. Not much to expect on Monday and Tuesday if You don t know girls You want are working. Was your Croatian with red boots sitting on German table? Vulgarity from Bruggen, really not needed at Sharks. Also Kaira also with silicon and usually kind of black one piece to hide belly.

[GringoItaliano]

Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.

What other FKKs should I have chosen for a Monday or Tuesday night? Would Palace or Mainhattan have been any better? World? Atlanta? Rom?

There was no shortage of customers at Oase that Tuesday night; indeed, that might have been the real problem, rather than the small lineup. There were too many guys, so perhaps the small lineup of girls was overworked. The small but good-looking lineup did not limit my choices so much; there were at least three that I found attractive enough for rooms, and perhaps I could have tried more if I had not concluded that I was not going to get good service at that sausage party.

There was no shortage of girls at Sharks that Monday night either; it is just that whoever does the casting at Sharks is a bad fit for my personal taste. That was true in 2019 and it was true again in 2021. Many of those that did suit my taste, however, had bad attitudes, like the busty blonde Serbian that took offense because I did not offer her champagne.

[Sirioja]

Better to choose good days to have good experience in clubs. Sharks on Monday now and Oase on Tuesday is mistake, with small casting when girls have to pay entry but almost no business. Not same business than before covid, just have to be able to adapt.

[GringoItaliano]

This trip was my second tour of the Frankfurt area FKKs and Samya in neighboring Cologne; read my September 2019 trip report for background on my first German FKK tour. This week-long tour was a worthwhile change of scenery from the Latin American destinations to which I have been limited for the past year and a half. Nonetheless, as one might expect, this trip delivered a significantly less satisfying experience than my first FKK tour due to: smaller lineups; an even greater decrease in performance; the restrictions and general atmosphere in Germany; and the loss of novelty from my first trip. Aside from pandemic-related factors, I have also come to recognize, for future reference, that the Frankfurt area FKKs may be better for long layovers or long weekends than the longer trips of a week or more that I usually take to most other mongering destinations. I also hope in the future to visit local FKKs outside the Frankfurt area hub during broader explorations of other parts of Germany that interest me for non-mongering reasons, after Germany and its FKKs have had more time to recover.

This week-long FKK tour was the first leg of a two-week trip. My original reason for traveling to Europe was to visit Dubrovnik, Croatia, the remarkably well-preserved old city where HBO shot much of Game of Thrones, and a country that has been relatively lax with travel and other restrictions. In order to justify the cost, jet lag, and other hassles of a European trip, I wanted a two-week itinerary, but I did not want to spend a whole two weeks in Croatia. My research into flight options for Croatia from my point of origin (Miami) identified Frankfurt (FRA) as a possible connection airport, which immediately reminded me of my previous FKK tour. I checked ISG and read that German FKKs, including the main FKKs in and around Frankfurt, had reopened and achieved enough volume (albeit at reduced levels) to justify a trip there. I also read elsewhere that the EU would be tightening travel restrictions for USA Citizens, so I wanted to seize this window of opportunity while it remained open.

I booked an itinerary with Lufthansa, the airline with the only direct flights between Miami (MIA) and FRA at the time, as well as the direct flights between FRA and Dubrovnik (DBV) that I wanted. The airfare was higher than I would have expected, given the circumstances, perhaps due to my multi-city itinerary and the last-minute booking, but it was the most convenient option and also enabled a long, overnight layover in FRA on the way back to MIA from DBV. I found a cheap hotel near the Frankfurt train station for less than $40 USD per night; hotel prices seemed lower than I remembered from my 2019 trip, perhaps due to low levels of business travel. I bought a Deutsche Bahn rail pass to facilitate access to the FKKs outside Frankfurt's city limits and for visits to towns within day trip distance of Frankfurt that interested me for non-mongering reasons (Aachen, Mainz, Speyer, and Stuttgart).

To enter Germany, I needed my paper CDC vaccination card and an immigration form to be filled out online before departure. I also had to show my vaccination card: to enter the FKKs; to check into my hotel; to eat at restaurants; to smoke a cigar at a cigar lounge; and to enter museums and other tourist attractions. No one questioned the legitimacy of my paper CDC card, but some scrutinized it more thoroughly than others. Germany requires medical-grade masks; cloth masks will not do. The mask mandate applies to FKKs, but enforcement varied greatly from one to another. Palace, Mainhattan, and Oase generally disregarded it; indeed, Palace did not even check my vaccination card but just took my word for it. Samya gently reminded girls and customers to wear it while moving around the club, but not while seated or while consuming food or drink. Sharks enforced it so arbitrarily and inconsistently that it was not clear to me when they did or did not expect people to wear masks.

I had seven nights to spend at FKKs that first week, plus another night during my long layover on the way home from DBV. I first went to each of the four main FKKs in and around Frankfurt (Mainhattan, Palace, Sharks, and Oase) and also to Samya in Cologne after a day trip to neighboring Aachen. I reserved the last two nights that week for my favorite two out of those five which, as on my last trip, turned out to be Palace and Mainhattan again, but Samya might have been a contender if it were closer. I understand that my preference for Mainhattan and Palace is at odds with what seems to be the prevailing preference for Sharks and Oase; this discrepancy is probably a matter of personal taste. Out of those two FKKs within the city limits of Frankfurt, I preferred Mainhattan over Palace on my last trip, but on this trip I ended up rating them almost the same and chose to spend my long layover night at Palace, as I had already exhausted the lineup at Mainhattan on my two previous visits that first week.

The number of girls at the FKKs was noticeably lower than what I remembered from my previous trip. The difference was not enormous, but it was significant enough to impact the quality of my experiences, albeit not to the point that I regretted going. It was only at Oase, which originally had a smaller lineup in pre-pandemic times, that the reduced number of girls was so low that it might have been a mistake to go to that FKK at all. The reduction in the number of girls was most pronounced on slower nights (E. G. Monday) and least noticeable on busier nights (e. G. Weekends). I understood from ISG and the girls themselves that the reduced numbers of girls were due to a combination of: the authorities' requirements for vaccination, testing, or documented recovery in order to enter FKKs; and a reduction in customers stemming from the decrease in business travel and long-haul flight layovers.

Despite the reduced numbers, there was a high proportion of familiar faces from my last trip, including girls with whom I had sessions. Remarkably, more than a few girls recognized me from last time, regardless of whether or not I had sessions with them. Perhaps the disruption and recent resumption of the business has not given the FKKs enough time to refresh their talent pool and find more new girls. I also noticed that the predominance of Romanians seemed to be even greater than it was on my last trip; there were fewer girls from the other countries, such as Hungary, Bulgaria, Moldova, or Ukraine.

More troubling to me than the reduction in the number of girls was the even greater decrease in the average quality of the service that I received, compared to my previous trip. This observation comes with the caveats that: a) the novelty of my first trip may have given me an unduly flattering impression of the quality of service that I received the first time around; and b) I am probably pickier about service than most of you. Nonetheless, the higher proportion of duds and mediocre or lukewarm performers on this trip was in marked contrast to my first trip, when all but one of my sessions were satisfactory. I have no doubt that the disruption and recent resumption of the FKK business was responsible for this major decrease in the quality of service, but I am not sure exactly how or why. Are they out of practice and rusty? Did they forget how to suck a dick properly during lockdown? Are they overworked and burned out due to the reduced numbers of FKK girls? Have they lost their motivation to work hard and become disgruntled after the government robbed them of their livelihood on such dubious grounds?

Pricing remained largely consistent with my previous trip, albeit with some upward pressure and a bit more upsell than before. The historic 50 euros for half an hour with BBBJ and GFE was an endangered species when I was last there, and it has now become all but extinct; only the above-mentioned slender Romanian at Samya was willing to provide that level of service at that price. 100 euros for that premium level of service has clearly entrenched itself as a nearly universal standard, and some girls tried to push the envelope even further to 150. More troubling to me than the price inflation was that the quality of service even at that premium price point has clearly declined. The GFE was often half-assed, and the once strong BBBJ skills that astonished me on my last trip have atrophied in many cases. As for the infamous FKK upsell, a surprisingly high proportion of girls sought a 50 euro surcharge just for titfucking, even if I did not bust a nut on their tits. I can understand the upsell for things like CIM or anal, but such a large surcharge just for titfucking seems excessive to me. Oddly, I also received several unsolicited offers for prostate massages, which I did not encounter at all during my previous trip.

My first FKK visit, a Saturday afternoon and night at Mainhattan, was excellent. I did four sessions with three Romanians and a Croatian. Look for the tall, slender Romanian with large fake breasts resembling a cross between Anna Kendrick and Kate Beckinsale; she delivered excellent service. A dark-skinned Croatian with big natural tits demonstrated solid oral skills on par with what I remembered from my last trip. There was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass that I might recommend to those of you that share my tastes, but her performance was just satisfactory. Another highlight was a slender, light-skinned Romanian blonde with an endearing GFE.

I went to Palace Sunday night, where I did two rooms with two Romanians. One had an athletic build with an amazing ass that she clearly exercises and jet black hair but light skin and blue eyes. She delivered great service both physically and in GFE terms. More disappointing in the service department was a very tall, thick, and dark Romanian with huge natural tits and ass whom I remembered seeing there on my last trip. While she did fit my physical tastes closely, in retrospect I should have recognized as a red flag that most of the local regular customers seemed to be avoiding her. There were few other choices on a slow Sunday night however, so I took the plunge. Palace nevertheless redeemed itself that night with a raven-haired, light-skinned petite Romanian who delivered a solid GFE.

I went to Sharks Monday night, in the hopes that its much larger lineup would offset the typically lower numbers on what I expected to be a slow night. The numbers were definitely there, but the lineup simply did not suit my taste, as I found on my last trip. I did, however, appreciate the more positive attitudes and less aggressive pricing that I found at Sharks on my previous trip, but those advantages seem to have disappeared since then. One smoking hot Serbian blonde with big tits and ass, one of the few at Sharks that suited my tastes, had the nerve to ask me why I had not brought her champagne when I approached her. I did manage to find a very tall and even slenderer Romanian with disproportionately large but natural tits and ass and very pale skin; she excelled in the purely physical sense but was lukewarm in attitude. In the absence of other desirable candidates for my second room, I settled for a petite, light-skinned Romanian blonde who was friendly but lacked sexual skills. Combined with their arbitrary and occasionally aggressive enforcement of the mask mandate and my similarly lukewarm response to the Sharks talent pool on my last trip, I have concluded that this place is simply not my cup of tea. It remains difficult for me to understand the widespread preference for Sharks, beyond the greater size of its lineup but quantity does not necessarily yield quality.

Pre-pandemic Oase, as I found on my last trip, illustrated the point that quality trumps quantity. I had found the relatively small but high-quality talent pool at Oase quite impressive, even though it was not a close fit for my personal taste. Unfortunately, it would appear that the disruption and recent resumption of its operations has had a more severe impact on its lower-quantity but high-quality business model. Oase on a Tuesday night yielded the worst FKK visit of this trip. The lineup was small and the male-female ratio was unfavorable; guys were waiting around for girls to come out of their sessions and grab them immediately before another guy grabbed them. I suspect that this dynamic may have been responsible for the mediocre service here. My first pull, a petite, slender, and dark Romanian with large fake tits, was a total dud, who was both in a rush and seemed to lack sexual skills. Somewhat better but not great was a tall, thick Romanian with large natural tits and ass who provided my second session and allowed titfucking at no extra cost. She did not speak English, and I do not speak German, but she did speak Spanish, perhaps because she lived there before or because of its similarity to Romanian. I wonder if Spanish or French would be of any use with other Romanians that do not speak English that I might find in other, less international FKKs in other parts of Germany on future trips. I hoped the third time would be a charm, but I also struck out with a weak performance from a very polished Iranian girl with short hair and a you. K. Accent who talked a good game but did not deliver well.

The situation improved with my Wednesday afternoon / evening visit to Samya in Cologne. As on my last trip, the lineup here was a better fit for my taste than much of the Frankfurt area lineups, with more tits and ass, perhaps due to the tastes of the heavily Turkish customer base there. My first room was with a raven-haired but very light-skinned tall Romanian with a slender build but an amazing ass who delivered quality service both physically and in her GFE attitude. Also fulfilling in purely physical terms, but less endearing with her mercenary attitude, was an extremely busty Romanian with excellent head game who grudgingly agreed to include titfucking in the session at no extra cost.

I returned to Palace on Thursday night to give it a second chance to provide a bigger lineup, and it did not disappoint. My sessions included an impressive performance by a voluptuous light-skinned blonde Romanian and a repeat session with a tall, thick Ukrainian with big natural tits and ass with whom I had a session on my last trip. I spent Friday afternoon and evening at Mainhattan again, but the lineup was notably smaller and less impressive than it had been the previous Saturday. My satisfying sessions there included two Romanians, one of which was a petite fake blonde with a deep tan, a surprisingly nice ass, and strong oral skills. Having exhausted the Mainhattan lineup, I choose to spend my long layover night (a Saturday) on the way back from DBV at Palace, where my sessions were with: the above-mentioned Ukrainian again; a voluptuous Romanian MILF with strong oral skills who agreed to titfucking at no extra cost; and a petite Bulgarian who was just average in appearance but had a strong seductive demeanor and delivered accordingly in the room.

I will return to German FKKs in the future, but with a different itinerary. I have come to the realization that a week in and around Frankfurt is too long of a trip, especially now that: a) I have confirmed my initial preference for Palace and Mainhattan over the more popular Sharks and Oase, which I will probably skip in the future; and b) I have exhausted the list of non-mongering things that I want to see and do in and around Frankfurt between FKK visits. Frankfurt would probably be better for: a long weekend, if that were a feasible option for a Miami resident (9 hours is a long flight for a long weekend); or for long layovers on the way to or from other destinations in Germany, Europe, or elsewhere in the Old World, as I did on the way back from DBV. I also hope to explore other parts of Germany, such as Hamburg and Bavaria, for non-mongering reasons, and would like to visit their local FKKs as well. After my first trip, I had hoped to explore the different FKK scene of North Rhine-Westphalia beyond Samya on a future trip, in the interest of broadening my horizons beyond the usual focus on the Frankfurt area. I decided not to pursue that option this time, as I figured that the smaller FKKs there would need more time to recover from the disruption of their business. In retrospect, I think that the FKKs in general, including those in and around Frankfurt, need more time to recover before I invest the time, effort, and money in returning there all the way from Miami.

[DrPoon]

Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.

I have entered either Zurich, Amsterdam, and Dusseldorf airports and never was questioned whatsoever. Just asked once how long I was staying. But never the purpose or reason for the trip.

Once I was stopped (which if rare) leaving the USA and bag searched and was interrogated but I stated I was just going to Germany to hang out.

[Turgid]

Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany.....

No need to sweat that, Germany is not Thailand or Colombia.

[Tuber19]

Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.

I always say I'm on holiday and I want to visit shops (which is also true) , the board police -Sometimes- check my return ticket and hotel reservation.

Once my friend told them he want to visit FKK, and they let him in without any further questions.

[Smoke Light]

Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.

My standard answer at the border is always "I am on holiday". I consider it to be a uniformly accepted reason to enter EU.

I also monitor a couple websites on a daily basis before my departure later this month. First one is used by the airlines to inform passengers about current COVID rules in both departure and destination countries:

https://apply.joinsherpa.com/

Secondly, a website for German Consulates in US. Scroll down to "news" and click "COVID-19". It gives you an up-to-date set of rules to enter Germany:

https://www.germany.info/

Hope this helps.

[ExpatLover]

Thank you so much! What do you guys say to board police when she or he ask you what is your reason to enter Germany. As before, I just simply answer as tourist.

Impossible to have a global answer it depends on the people who control. In the last 2 weeks a got 0 control by crossing boarders in Europe, this morning they check everything very deeply and even called the hospital to be sure that my proof of vaccines is not a fake.