General Info

[Tintin1]

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Many FKKs are in remote locations (from the perspective of an urbanite like me) and can be time-consuming, inconvenient, or expensive to reach via public transportation. T

The Frankfurt area FKKs seemed to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. Sharks and Oase seemed to be the most highly regarded of those Frankfurt area FKKs and were thus top priorities. Palace and Mainhattan made it onto my list due to their greater accessibility within Frankfurt.

The visual quality of the talent in these FKKs was among the highest ......
mediocre girls were few in number.
Run quite a bit skinnier than I would have liked. A good set of tits & ass was harder to come by, compared to my usual haunts in Latin America. ..

The pervasive upsell in the room that others described turned out to be far less of an issue than I expected. I may have preempted much of the upsell in the room by being clear in pre-session negotiations in the social areas about both what I did want (kissing, BBBJ, and the option for CIM) and what I did not want (threesomes and anal). Curiously, I received more unsolicited offers of anal than in Brazil,
I am comfortable paying more for higher levels of service, particularly for BBBJ, which is critical for me, and the option to CIM, which I value. I do, however, have a few critiques of the way that the FKK girls structure fees. The first is that they only negotiate in 50 euro increments, as if 5, 10, and 20 euro bills did not exist.

Another factor that probably motivates strong performance in the FKKs is the standard practice of paying the girls after the session,

if it were easier to maintain contact with the girls outside the FKKs, I sensed that they might be less open to it.

Amazing write up. Well done. My personal reaction to the FKK life and my trips to Latin America as follows.

First I agree, the girls tend to be slenderer than I've found in Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, even Mexico, BUT by USA Standards -- or at least my considerable hobbying, -- I would seldom use the term spinner or skinny. On the slender side, yes but not skinny. Agree that there is probably less "silicon" and implants than elsewhere, especially in US clubs. As to looks, I found plenty of girls I thought mediocre, but when I'm in Ecuador I think the exotic Latinas all seem extra hot, so maybe it's just perspective of what we are both used to. Lots of 5's and 6's in FKKs, less 8's and 9's for me. More candy I can't resist in Ecuador than in Germany.

Destination wise, another guess is that Frankfurt is so popular since so many conventions are held there. Outside of Hannover, not sure what other German centers have that many tourists who are on a business trip and might be without a "spouse". Convention centers of Germany! And so many FKKs in remote areas because they are for the locals, not just sex tourism like the RLD of frankfurt. If it were just tourists per square foot, there would be more FKKs in Berlin, I think it has to be the convention center business that helped proliferate them.

I've read a fair amount of reports that seem to suggest that some of the "upsell' goes away with 60 minutes of booking, vs 30 minutes. Not all, but some of the extras, and a few more when someone recognizes you as a repeat visitor. Long term posters say that the upsell on BBBJ is more recent. Possibly the newish law, possibly we have trained the girls to expect the money cause tourists are so happy to pay for it? CIM or on body seems as you mentioned almost always an extra. And I agree about them trying to get you to explode outside the vagina. My thought is that it is easier! Many men just come more quickly that way, so why work harder or longer than you need to? Am I cynical? YES. Finally, at least around Munich I didn't not find that many girls offering ANAL. So maybe Frankfurt? Or maybe the girls you talked to? Or maybe the night? I thought it would be more common on my last visit. On a really tangential point, if you go to Berlinintim.de you will see that most of the upsell is by 10's and 20's for kissing, BLS, etc etc. So maybe again, we've just trained the girls in the FKKs to ask for 50E.

Meeting girls outside of the candy store: I have been told by girls, when I asked, that they are occasionally on Kaufmich, or whichever online ad site is their choice, when they don't work in the FKK. Some dropped it casually, others when prompted, a few said 'never'. Granted I am NOT a frequent visitor that they would recognize me, so I guess we both don't know if this changes if you see them 3 or 4 times in a month. It is easy enough when you walk to the locker to pay them to write down their number if they wanted to offer it. It's certainly not the Latin Ameridan method of going to the payment window and just paying an "exit" fee to the house to take them back to your hotel?

One interesting side note, on the German language boards they talk abut a CE charge for the sex. In a nutshell the rate for sex equates to 1 unit of the cover charge. Again, not sure if that is because these guys are local, repeat visitors or talking often about the more remote clubs.

Finally, for what it's worth. I liked Coliseum in Augsburg, a bit of a train ride from Frankfurt. The girls are NUDE all the time, and they can not come up to you. You have to approach them! So less sharks circling the poor horny guys. I also heard dreadful things about Berlin so my next trip I will stick with Berlin Intim website.

The rest of your report kept me nodding my head, and thinking, wish I met you at the bar inside an FKK, we'd be laughing all night.

[Optimist]

..... that some of the experiences were GFE and some were not; it varied from one girl to the next. Some girls had more of a PSE vibe, at least in terms of their style and atmospherics, if not specific sex acts.

I think we can all agree on that as a summary of our trips.

I am really looking forward to reading your eye witness reports. You have certainly put the keyboard time in so far with your report on general impressions. I think you have done a good job in compiling a summary of many of the things which have been discussed on the forum over time

[Apollyon]

This post is an overview of my FKK tour; I will also be posting reviews of the FKKs that I visited.

Thank you GringoItaliano for the very detailed and memorable report. Truly superb and ever so reminiscent of some great reporting legends of the Germany FKK Clubs Board. Bitumen, Yakob and Basketcase spring to mind. Thanks again. I will avidly watch for more of your splendid reports.

[GringoItaliano]

GringoItaliano,

Are you saying that most of the girls were more so smaller spinner types? Would you say the experiences were GFE?

Also, if anyone's interested I've complied a list of FKKs, Agencies, Independents, etc. For Frankfurt specifically if anyone is interested in that data.

I would say that a high proportion of the girls were on the thin / skinny / slender / scrawny side. But keep in mind that my frame of reference for female body types draws heavily on Latin America, where they tend to run a bit thicker, and local tastes also run a bit meatier than they do in North America or Europe.

I would not say that they were smaller spinner types, however, as many of them were quite tall. Mainhattan in particular seemed to have a lot of taller girls, for whatever reason. Also, keep in mind that some of the Ukrainian, Russian, or South Slav girls can also be quite tall.

I would say that some of the experiences were GFE and some were not; it varied from one girl to the next. Some girls had more of a PSE vibe, at least in terms of their style and atmospherics, if not specific sex acts.

[GuyBrusg1957]

GringoItaliano,

Are you saying that most of the girls were more so smaller spinner types? Would you say the experiences were GFE?

Also, if anyone's interested I've complied a list of FKKs, Agencies, Independents, etc. For Frankfurt specifically if anyone is interested in that data.

[GringoItaliano]

I make a point of sampling different mongering destinations to broaden my horizons and see if I like any new places as much as or more than ones that I already know. My overseas mongering up to this point had been mostly in Latin America, with a bit in Southeast Asia and one trip to Amsterdam. German FKKs remained a major gap in my experience that I decided to fill. I am glad that I did so, as this Frankfurt-based FKK tour was one of my best overseas mongering experiences thus far, despite significant downsides. I will be adding FKKs to my regular rotation for future trips. This post is an overview of my FKK tour; I will also be posting reviews of the FKKs that I visited.

Why I went there.

I had read mixed reviews about German FKKs and identified strong pros and cons. Selling points included: the Eastern European talent pool, for which Eastern Europeans in my native New York had whetted my appetite; the visual quality of the lineups; the female nudity; reports of strong oral skills; and the chance to monger in the safety and comfort of a highly developed country with more culture and sightseeing. The last point was key for me, as I prefer multifaceted travel experiences and need downtime to rest my dick and recharge my libido. I had visited Berlin and Munich before I discovered overseas mongering. I took more of a liking to Germany than other European countries, and I hoped to return someday to explore western parts of Germany, which fit very well with my FKK itinerary.

There are nonetheless significant downsides to German FKKs, which were almost enough to deter me. Jet lag is a non-trivial factor for North American mongers used to similar time zones in Latin America. Many FKKs are in remote locations (from the perspective of an urbanite like me) and can be time-consuming, inconvenient, or expensive to reach via public transportation. Total costs are higher than in Third World destinations (except maybe Brazil), and high FKK cover charges impose significant costs before one even pays for a session. More importantly, much of what I had read about the aggressive behavior of the girls, particularly unsolicited approaches and frequent upsell, led me to wonder if it was worth the cost and hassle. Germany's 2017 law requiring the use of condoms even for blowjobs had initially led me to rule out FKKs altogether, as CBJ is generally a deal breaker for me. I put FKKs back on my agenda when I learned that BBBJ is still widely available, as enforcement of the law is weak.

Planning.

I decided to do my first FKK tour from a hotel base in Frankfurt for both mongering and non-mongering reasons. Frankfurt is a major transportation hub internationally and within Germany. I found a reasonably priced overnight Delta flight from JFK into Frankfurt. I stayed at Hamburger Hof, one of a few reasonably priced hotels right across the street from the main Frankfurt train station. Frankfurt was in the middle of other places that I wanted to visit for non-mongering reasons (Heidelberg, Wurzburg, Cologne, and Worms) via train rides of an hour or so. I bought a Deutsche Bahn rail pass for non-Europeans, which was a great investment, as buying individual tickets would have cost a lot more.

The Frankfurt area FKKs seemed to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. Sharks and Oase seemed to be the most highly regarded of those Frankfurt area FKKs and were thus top priorities. Palace and Mainhattan made it onto my list due to their greater accessibility within Frankfurt. I considered World but decided against it due to mixed reviews and its inconvenient location. I considered Rom and Atlanta but decided against them due to limited and lukewarm reporting. Dietzenbach had originally been on my agenda for its BBFS. I later decided against it once I was on the ground due to the combination of lower visual quality in its lineup and because the service in the other FKKs worked out so well for me that BBFS was no longer a priority (I will explain below). I also went to FKK Samya in Cologne because I visited that city for non-mongering reasons, and I wanted to try an FKK outside the heavier foreign influence in the Frankfurt area. Samya seemed to be the most highly regarded FKK in or around Cologne, rivaling the Frankfurt area FKKs in popularity among foreigners.

The Talent Pool.

The visual quality of the talent in these FKKs was among the highest that I have seen anywhere in my view, only Brazil and Colombia can compete with them. The female nudity is another advantage; it enables thorough inspection of the merchandise before deciding and provides visual stimulation between sessions. The talent pool was remarkable not only for the stunners but also for its overall average quality; mediocre girls were few in number. These FKKs clearly have good quality control.

With that said, the prevailing tastes among whoever is responsible for the lineups at these FKKs clearly differ from mine and run quite a bit skinnier than I would have liked. A good set of tits & ass was harder to come by, compared to my usual haunts in Latin America. I presume that this selection of body types reflects both the genetic heritage of the largely Eastern European lineups and the preferences of the largely European and East Asian clientele. The high quality of the lineups nonetheless made it easier to venture outside my comfort zone, and I adjusted to what appears to be the prevailing aesthetic.

What these FKKs lacked in diversity of body types they made up for in ethnic diversity, including facial features and skin, hair, and eye colors. Romanians were clearly the largest group. Most of them were on the darker end of the color spectrum, but I encountered a few lighter blondes too. One of my preferred nationalities turned out to be Hungarians, many of whom appeared to be lighter blondes, and Moldovans, who seemed to be a mix of the lighter and darker types. There were also more than a few Ukrainians and even a few Russians, which I did not expect to find; they were mostly on the lighter and more Nordic end of the spectrum. Curiously, I encountered only one Czech and one Bulgarian; I had expected them to be more common. Other outliers included a few Serbians, Greeks, and Africans, and even one Iranian. I did not encounter a single native / ethnic German girl. I had hoped for more of the lighter blonde types and fewer of the darker Romanians. I have had so many Latinas over the years and wanted a change from the darker types with more of the lighter blondes, of which I would have expected to find more in Germany, of all places. Also, some of the darker Romanians had almost South Asian-looking facial features, perhaps due to Gypsy genetic heritage, which I found rather unappealing.

The Service.

FKK girls can definitely be aggressive, but on average I did not find them more aggressive than their counterparts in Latin America, which was what I expected based on what I had read online. I would argue instead that their aggressiveness merely manifested itself in different ways. A greater proportion of the total aggressiveness seemed to be concentrated in a smaller number of girls. One lesson that I learned in my previous experience is to avoid the first girl (or a pair of girls, often proposing a threesome) that approaches me immediately after entering a mongering venue, especially when I am new to that venue. Such girls are usually sharks hungry for fresh meat and low-hanging fruit. In a typical Latin American venue, one or two such girls might approach immediately upon one's arrival, and others will approach intermittently over the course of an evening. In these FKKs, most of the girls that approached me at all over the course of the evening did so within the first half hour or hour of my arrival, often in quick succession, one right after the other. My record was 12 girls in the first 30 minutes (although some of them were in pairs). Most of those girls left me alone after I expressed my lack of interest, although one or two of the most aggressive circled back for another shot. Having thus filtered out the sharks, I could eventually focus my efforts on the remaining girls, whom I did not find to be aggressive at all. The levels of aggressiveness also varied considerably from one FKK to another.

The FKK girls were usually quick to deliver their pitches after they approached and generally kept the "getting to know you" verbal foreplay to a minimum, compared to the lengthier "interviews" that one can often do in many Third World venues. While some guys may interpret this directness as aggression, one should also remember that Germans and Eastern Europeans in general often have more direct and abrupt communication styles than many North Americans and Western Europeans. I would still shoot down any girl that cut to the chase too quickly. One such girl's first words to me, before greeting me, introducing herself, or any other pleasantries, were "do you want to have sex with me?

The use of English was pervasive at these FKKs and appeared to be the norm. Language barriers were rarely an issue, except at Sharks, which came as a surprise to me, as it appears to be the most popular and highly regarded among foreigners. I had a session there with a Hungarian who spoke no English; I managed to explain what I wanted with a few key phrases in German that I had memorized. Linguistic accessibility is a key advantage for those mongers that do not speak German or other relevant languages, such as myself. In other destinations, one can transcend language barriers with translation apps on smart phones, which would not be feasible in FKKs with policies against phone usage.

The pervasive upsell in the room that others described turned out to be far less of an issue than I expected. I had only one egregious case, in which a girl that I had taken to the room invited a second girl to join us in the room for a threesome without consulting me. I had to say "no" twice, raising my voice the second time, before they gave up. Aside from that incident, I encountered only a few mild instances of upsell in the room, which I deflected easily enough with a simple "no. " I may have preempted much of the upsell in the room by being clear in pre-session negotiations in the social areas about both what I did want (kissing, BBBJ, and the option for CIM) and what I did not want (threesomes and anal). Curiously, I received more unsolicited offers of anal than in Brazil, which I thought was the world capital of anal. Anal enthusiasts may want to add FKKs to their agenda.

I am comfortable paying more for higher levels of service, particularly for BBBJ, which is critical for me, and the option to CIM, which I value. I do, however, have a few critiques of the way that the FKK girls structure fees. The first is that they only negotiate in 50 euro increments, as if 5, 10, and 20 euro bills did not exist. This approach can double the cost of a session, from the basic 50 euros to 100 euros for whatever premium services one negotiates. I tried negotiating in increments smaller than 50 euros early on and got such hostile responses that I stopped. The second is that some of them seem to itemize excessively, such as the girl that suggested an extra 50 euros just to lick my balls (which I of course refused). I think that service should come in broad tiers (basic / minimal, GFE, and PSE / extreme), rather than charging an extra 50 euros (no smaller increments, of course) for each individual item, as some do. The third is that they seem to have a fixation with charging more for wherever or whenever one shoots one's load outside the condom, such as in their mouths or anywhere on their bodies, more so than with the service that actually gets one to the point of shooting one's load anywhere in the first place.

The aggressiveness and upsell are manifestations of another point that may also have advantages. The girls clearly demonstrated strong motivations and were definitely not lazy, which contrasts favorably with the weak work ethic and often poor performances and general flakiness of many girls in the Third World economies of Latin America and Southeast Asia. I imagine that Germans would have less tolerance for such behavior; perhaps the girls have absorbed some of the famous German work ethic.

Most remarkable for me was that, out of 16 sessions in five FKKs in seven days, all but one of my sessions were at least satisfactory, and that one dud of a session was probably attributable to a lapse in judgment on my part. I also had a record-high proportion of strong performers; out of 16 girls, a slight majority of them (nine) would have been worth a repeat if I had more time on the ground. Even in Rio de Janeiro and Medellin, I have never had such a high success rate and consistently good performance.

Blowjobs were the one area in which these FKK girls quite consistently distinguished themselves head and shoulders (pardon the pun) above the rest. No other destination or venues that I have visited anywhere else in the world has had so many girls with such consistently good head game. It was almost as if they went to the same cocksucking school and had to pass an oral exam (pardon the pun) to work at the FKKs. The girls with the best head game in Brazil or Colombia would be just average by FKK standards, and Colombians are notorious for their often half-assed or reluctant head game.

I am curious as to why the FKK girls in particular would have such exceptional oral skills. Perhaps there are cultural factors, as I have found some great Eastern European head game here in New York, but nothing that prepared me for what to expect in Germany. Ironically, I wonder if the 2017 condom law, which makes BBBJ illegal if the authorities ever enforce it, actually motivates the girls to excel at BBBJ by giving them an excuse for oral upsell, specifically for CIM. I sensed that a lot of girls wanted me to cum in their mouths so that they could justify the now-typical 50 euro CIM surcharge, which (from what I have read) seems to have proliferated in the wake of the 2017 law. I often had to tell the girls to stop sucking my cock so that I could put on a condom and proceed with CFS before I nutted.

This tendency was a welcome contrast to Colombians and other Latinas, some of whom give just a token blowjob before they decide that it is time to proceed to CFS, and they are often reluctant to provide a BBBJ finish if necessary, let alone CIM. I often have difficulty busting a nut via CFS by the end of a week-long Latin American mongering trip from fucking too much for so long, particularly if a girl's head game is weak or half-assed. I encountered no such issues in the FKKs, except for one dud that might have been a poor choice on my part. Aside from that one session at the very end of the week, the FKK girls' head game prepared me well for CFS, and I nutted in the condom each and every time. I had agreed during pre-session negotiations that I would pay the 50 euro CIM fee as a contingency if and when CIM happened, but it never happened, as I had enough discipline and self-control to switch to CFS when I was ready, and I never needed CIM for them to finish me off either. This achievement was unprecedented in my entire mongering experience. I had originally planned to go to Dietzenbach for BBFS toward the end of the week, as I had thought that I might have trouble finishing in a condom by that point. That concern did not come true, so I stuck to the FKKs with the more attractive girls.

Another factor that probably motivates strong performance in the FKKs is the standard practice of paying the girls after the session, not upfront. Paying up front is typical in the controlled environments of many strip clubs and brothels in Latin America where girls work for "the house" and robs the girls of much of their motivation to excel (if they have any at all). They have your money already, so why bother? Withholding payment until after the session is much more likely to yield satisfying results. In most FKKs, there are special lockers near the front desk to secure phones and wallets, separate from the lockers for clothes in the changing areas. Paying the girls in sight of the front desk is probably a good idea, so as to facilitate resolution in the event of any payment disputes (I did not have any). By the same token, the security at FKKs probably makes the girls more comfortable receiving payment after the session, as they know that guys are unlikely to get away with ripping them off and not paying them (which is a risk for independent girls in Latin America). I did appreciate this "circle of trust" that the FKKs can create, despite some inappropriate behavior here and there.

Some FKKs have signs prohibiting cell phones and photography. A benefit of this policy is that the girls will not have phones on them to distract them, which is a pervasive problem in many Third World venues. The downside is that this policy makes it harder to exchange contact information for further communication outside the FKK, which I imagine (correct me if I am wrong) that management would discourage and one should probably not do in sight of the front desk at the phone & wallet lockers. I suppose that one could discreetly write down phone numbers on paper and enter them into phones later, if one were sufficiently motivated. Aside from the opportunity to arrange often cheaper sessions outside the venue in which we originally met, I enjoy maintaining contact with girls that I particularly liked. If nothing else, such contact often enables them to send photos, which would be great in the case of the FKKs, given the typical policies against photography on-site. Taking photos of the girls that one just fucked are great souvenirs from Third World destinations and are a priceless addition to trip reports. This area is one in which FKKs fell short in comparison with Third World destinations.

More broadly, even if it were easier to maintain contact with the girls outside the FKKs, I sensed that they might be less open to it. They seemed to have more of a psychological and emotional barrier between their professional personas and their true selves, compared to their Third World counterparts, whom I believe put more of their genuine selves into their work. Some of these FKK girls delivered solid GFE for the time that we spent together in the rooms, but I think it would be much harder to develop deeper connections with them, as I have often done with girls in Latin America. Tellingly, I noticed that most of the FKK girls used artificial lube in their pussies in our sessions, which I have rarely encountered in Latin America or Southeast Asia; most of the girls lubricated themselves naturally there. I looked and acted the same as I have in those Third World destinations. Unless there is something about me that is uniquely unappealing to Eastern Europeans in particular, I would wager that many of the FKK girls do not, or do not allow themselves to, become genuinely aroused, whereas many of the Latinas do. This greater disconnect is probably the downside of their greater professionalism.

The Facilities.

The hefty FKK cover charges, as high as 75 euros, are a significant downside. They not only increase total costs but require spending a significant chunk of change on an "overhead" expense before even getting laid. Combined with the inconvenient locations of many FKKs, the "sunk costs" of FKK entry fees discourage one from moving from one FKK to another during the same day / evening if the talent pool is not working out, so one must choose one's FKKs carefully. In order to get the most out of FKK entry fees, one should do at least two sessions per visit; it would be hard to justify the high cost of entry for only one session. Three sessions would be ideal, if one's stamina is up to the challenge, but it is also important to pace oneself, especially on a longer trip. I think that the price structure of the Brazilian termas, which have a business model similar to that of the FKKs, is better, as more of one's total spending goes to the girls and less of it goes to "the house" in the form of cover charges.

Aside from access to the talent pool and session rooms and the female nudity, I did not find much else on the premises of the FKKs to justify the steep entry fees. The strongest selling point, aside from the above, is the all-you-can-eat food, but the quality of the food varied considerably from one FKK to another, from excellent to nearly inedible. Another problem is the pervasive cigarette smoke in the social areas of some FKKs, but not those with designated smoking areas (Samya and Mainhattan). The problem with both the food and the smoking is that many of the girls did not brush their teeth or otherwise freshen up after eating and / or smoking. I rejected more than a few girls for bad breath; I cannot recall having encountered this problem nearly as often in any Third World destinations. Some of the Brazilian termas provide toothbrushes, deodorant, and even disposable razors with their lower entry fees, but only Sharks provided just some spray-on deodorant. I brought my own hygiene supplies.

Comparisons of the FKKs.

Out of the four FKKs in the Frankfurt area that I visited, I would break them down into two pairs: Sharks and Oase on one hand and Palace and Mainhattan on the other hand. The obvious difference is geographic: Palace and Mainhattan are conveniently located within the city limits of Frankfurt, whereas Sharks and Oase are in distant exurbs / suburbs of the greater Frankfurt metropolitan area. There were nonetheless significant differences in the appearances and behaviors of the girls in these two pairs of FKKs that parallel the geographic division and may well have resulted from it. The conventional wisdom seems to hold that the FKKs in and around Frankfurt differ from those elsewhere in Germany because of their higher proportions of foreign visitors. If that difference is true, then it stands to reason that those differences would be even more true of Palace and Mainhattan than Sharks and Oase, as the former's locations within Frankfurt make them more easily accessible to foreign visitors.

In my opinion, the visual quality of the talent pool in Palace and Mainhattan was significantly higher than that of Sharks and Oase, which I had not expected based on what I had read online. I did try to factor out my personal tastes when making this judgment, but I cannot exclude the possibility that whoever was responsible for determining the lineups at both Palace and Mainhattan simply had tastes much closer to mine. Curiously, some Latin American destinations have similar divisions between markets for mostly North American foreign visitors and local Latino guys. The foreigners pay better, so their venues attract the hottest girls of any body type, and their taste in body types run thinner than those of local Latino guys, so they attract more of the thinner girls. In this case, however, Palace and Mainhattan had some slightly more voluptuous types that better suited my personal tastes.

By the same token, perhaps the more lucrative foreigner market can corrupt the girls' attitudes and behaviors, which may be why the girls at the more remote Sharks and Oase behaved differently and in more consistently good ways. Ironically, given its name, the girls at Sharks had the least aggressive behavior of these four FKKs and were the least likely to upsell. The girls at Oase were not aggressive but were more likely to engage in upsell than those at Sharks. The girls at Palace were the most aggressive of all and were also the most likely to engage in upsell. The girls at Mainhattan were not so much aggressive but proactive, and their attempts at upsell were usually mild and easy to deflect. The service was also more consistently good at Sharks and Oase than Palace and Mainhattan.

I assume that it is these behavioral differences that accounts for much of what appears to be the greater popularity of Sharks and Oase, from what I have read online. If that is the case, I cannot dispute the reasoning behind it, but I also could not justify going back to Sharks or Oase during this trip because the talent pool simply did not appeal to me as much as that of Palace or Mainhattan. I saw many more girls on my first visits to Palace and Mainhattan that I still wanted to fuck, which was why I returned to them for second visits during this trip. Between Palace and Mainhattan, the latter was clearly the better of the two. The girls at Mainhattan behaved better and provided my single best session on the trip, the hottest girl on the trip (and one of my Top 5 of all time), and a personal bucket list item. I also had my only dud of a session there, which I attribute to my overconfidence in the quality of experiences there, leading to a lapse in judgment. Lesson learned: never let your guard down, even in the best places.

My visit to Samya in Cologne got me out of the more heavily foreign-influenced FKKs in and around Frankfurt. The quality of the talent was lower, but also a closer fit for my personal tastes, e. G. They were not so skinny and had more tits & ass. I wonder if these voluptuous body types that I prefer are what Germans would consider lower-quality, or if this composition of the talent pool reflects the tastes of the heavily Turkish clientele there. The quality of the service was within the same range as that of the Frankfurt FKKs, as it yielded one of the better sessions of the trip and another that was just satisfactory.

For Further Discussion.

I have some questions, the answers to which may help me and others plan future trips.

Based on my above feedback, what if any other region (s) of Germany would you recommend for my future FKK tours, besides the obvious choice of North-Rhine Westphalia? Bavaria? Hamburg? Stuttgart? Saxony?

What if any differences in appearance, service, behavior, and facilities should I expect as I explore more FKKs further from the heavier foreign influence in and around Frankfurt?

How frequently (if at all) do you session with girls that approach you? Have you found that the results are any better or worse than the results with those that you choose yourself?

Have you found that the FKK girls have exceptionally strong oral skills, as I did? If so, do you have any ideas as to why that might be the case? Have you found any other destinations where the girls have equally good or better oral skills?

Have you maintained contact with any of the girls outside the FKKs, and what if any results did such contacts yield?

[FuckedUpSwede]

Thank you, Fiction, for your really good questions. You will get a variety of answers on some of your points, but I seriously believe you should seek the advise from some of the board's most well-informed, up-to-date posters. You should PM guys like Tintin, Expat Lover, LaBambaBoy , Fucked Up Swede and Gino. These guys possess a really good grasp of what's going on week to week at these clubs. I really rely on their reports to "keep me in the game" psychologically at least, whilst I am absent. If for some reason you don't have PM service to these gentlemen, just pay the modest subscription of this site and you get automatic PM services. I hope we get more posts about your fundamental, yet quite interesting questions.

With baited breathe.

O.

Thank you Ortos!

To be honest I mostly write because of selfishness and I have only been mongering for about 1 year so I have limited, but recent, experience. Writing is a way to keep my sanity. Who could I possibly share this madness with if not my fellow mongers? I feel a urge to talk about it and I have a clear view of what would happen if I brought the subject up during the coffe break at my office. The same would be true among most of my friends. I have brought a friend two times, and got him hooked, but he do not live the same life as me with constant travel so most of the time I am by myself.

Next week I will probably be in Hamburg again, because of a meeting, and I will probably try to combine this meeting with "sex, drugs and rock and roll" as always. I have only visited 2 FKK: s there so far and there are some interesting places on my bucket list. Hamburg is a bit of "best of two worlds" for me. Some interesting FKK: s and a lot of techno clubs. Happy mongering and stay classy!

[Ortos]

Ortos. Yes, it is interesting that some members streak across the sky like comets.
Some other posters, who I knew personally, have also left the forum. Dedalus, the greatest wit of all time, Vito, IrishPussyman. And of course, the kind Novize, who enabled my favourite worker of all time to enter World.

Maybe I should also recognise that the forum has moved on, and that my posts now have little in them to help new members. Every dog has its day.

Yes, you certainly are an avid FKK-poster historian.

Novice: Hey, now there's a name we ain't heard in many moons. You remember correctly that he was a regular weekend guest, almost exclusively at World (in that club's best years, imo). Ironically, Novice lived in Darmstadt at the time, a time when Sharks was not yet even conceived as an idea, much less a reality.

Funny the passage of time. I did keep in touch with Dedalus, until, oh, about 4 years ago or so. I last saw him at Sharks in the summertime in the garden. I believe he moved on from these clubs entirely. But then you wonder: once you've been "a player" in FKK clubs, minor, medium or major player, can you ever really rule out going for another visit at some point in your future life? Well at least he was not like his mythological son, Ikaros, who with wings made of feathers and wax got too enthusiastic (the Gods thought he was arrogant) by flying close to the sun, which melted his wax and he fell to a watery death plunging into the Aegean. There's actually and island named after him: Ikaria. Kind of like a guy who does too many Zimmer sessions and his scrotum explodes. Something like that!

But thanks for the trip down memory (posters Hall of Fame) lane!

[Optimist]

Ortos. Yes, it is interesting that some members streak across the sky like comets. I remember London Basketcase and his posts, even though I never (knowingly) met him. The same with Yakob, and Bitumen. Members who suddenly appear, fill the skies and then are gone. Nick the G reported in this forum last November that London Basketcase had been re-incarnated under another name at Sharks so maybe I will be fortunate enough to meet these illustrious names someday

Some other posters, who I knew personally, have also left the forum. Dedalus, the greatest wit of all time, Vito, IrishPussyman. And of course, the kind Novize, who enabled my favourite worker of all time to enter World.

Maybe I should also recognise that the forum has moved on, and that my posts now have little in them to help new members. Every dog has its day.

[BigBuddy69]

The size doesn't count but the sum does.

[CaptDanRmstn]

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[Pessimist]

As for number of posts: It a'int the size that counts, if you catch my drift.

Also, since you are singing the praises (deservedly so) of foundation posters like Auslander, KK, and Optimist, let's not forget other members of our Hall of Fame: Basketcase (my personal pick for G. O. A. T.) and Bitumen and others. And others. So many experts have shown us the light!

I think it is fair to say we are all catching lots of drifts and drafts.

The forum rules say it is not legal to explicitly discourage other users from posting. Any forum I have been a part of has become richer and more useful when the number of contributors increased over time and all members were encouraged to give their input. For some reason, *a few members* have chosen to take the opposite stance and been trying very hard to suppress the voices and expression of members with strange aspersions. I just hope that does not have any detrimental impact on the ISG forum as it is the best English language medium for information and discussion on paid sex.

I do not know Basketcase and Bitumen, probably contributors before my time. I have seen your own posts Mr. Ortos and I sincerely would say they are of very high quality, along with Mr Tank Tank and a few others.

[Ortos]

Thank you Mr. Aus Lander. You are too modest and kind. I am pretty sure that every monger who has been to these clubs knows that they should read the reviews of Aus Lander, KK, and Optimist before setting foot in any club. It is very well known to mongers (and punters) all over the world that you three gentlemen have written the FKK bible and most men would be clueless in the clubs if not for your invaluable advice, expressed in more than 10,000 comments over 10+ years. Gino, or PK or FUS or myself have been blessed with far fewer posts, and we are just following the footsteps of you three gentlemen. Well, I guess Gino is more experienced because he has been writing since 2004 per some recent discussion. I myself have been posting for just a few months but nevertheless appreciate your kindness in unwittingly putting my name next to more senior members like Gino and PK.

As for number of posts: It a'int the size that counts, if you catch my drift.

Also, since you are singing the praises (deservedly so) of foundation posters like Auslander, KK, and Optimist, let's not forget other members of our Hall of Fame: Basketcase (my personal pick for G. O. A. T.) and Bitumen and others. And others. So many experts have shown us the light!

[Pessimist]

Thank you, Fictional, for your questions. Not so sure I can very easily sniff out some answers for you, but I would hazard to write the following:
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Some names have already been suggested to you as being top contacts with outstanding German FKK / Sauna Club knowledge. It's hard to argue with these super suggestions. One would have to be psycho to disagree that the suggested individual are not well-informed and up-to-date. However, in addition to these handles, I would definitely have to add to this most illustrious list, the names of Pessimist, Pksimar69, Memphis10, Ludacris775 and also must mention Pokerweisbaden and Omar Rap. Great guys, ever so helpful and a great crew. You should seek advice from any or all of the above. These guys have forgotten more about German FKK / Sauna Clubs than most of us could ever expect to know. Its thanks to the guys above and the guys mentioned in a previous post that this Board is in such great shape. Informative posts and great reports which you can absolutely rely on.

Thanks again for these straightforward questions. I hope you will repay us all by reporting back about your forthcoming super splendid adventure. I really look forward to reading ever so very much.

Thank you Mr. Aus Lander. You are too modest and kind. I am pretty sure that every monger who has been to these clubs knows that they should read the reviews of Aus Lander, KK, and Optimist before setting foot in any club. It is very well known to mongers (and punters) all over the world that you three gentlemen have written the FKK bible and most men would be clueless in the clubs if not for your invaluable advice, expressed in more than 10,000 comments over 10+ years. Gino, or PK or FUS or myself have been blessed with far fewer posts, and we are just following the footsteps of you three gentlemen. Well, I guess Gino is more experienced because he has been writing since 2004 per some recent discussion. I myself have been posting for just a few months but nevertheless appreciate your kindness in unwittingly putting my name next to more senior members like Gino and PK.

[Der Auslander]

FKK newbie questions. I've read the forum, but can't seem to sniff out this info.

I have a long layover in Frankfurt coming up on a Sunday. I've been debating hitting Sharks, Oase, or Palace. ***. Now, my questions:

1. I'the love to catch a nap during my layover. Would it be strange / unacceptable to doze off in the club for a while?

2. Is storing a carryon-size piece of luggage possible at any of these clubs? If not I can leave it at the airport. Just not sure what to expect.

3. I potentially have 6-8 hours of free time at a club. If I intend to have 1-2 sessions depending on the quality of the lineup, is it okay to hang around for that long? It sounds like an ideal place to kill that much time, but I don't want to be the freeloader.

Thanks for the assistance!

Thank you, Fictional, for your questions. Not so sure I can very easily sniff out some answers for you, but I would hazard to write the following:

1. Sure, you can nap in these clubs but easier to rest in Oase where they have a dedicated rest area.

2. Best place is possibly in a locker at the airport. Saves all that lugging around. Don't want to tire yourself out before all the rumpty pumpty in the clubs!

3. Once you pay your entry fee you are entitled to stay in these clubs until closing. Not to be sniffed at to coin a phrase!

Definitely worth purchasing a subscription to ISG and be in a position to send and receive messages with other members. It's really good value and only $25. Something else not to be sniffed at!

Some names have already been suggested to you as being top contacts with outstanding German FKK / Sauna Club knowledge. It's hard to argue with these super suggestions. One would have to be psycho to disagree that the suggested individual are not well-informed and up-to-date. However, in addition to these handles, I would definitely have to add to this most illustrious list, the names of Pessimist, Pksimar69, Memphis10, Ludacris775 and also must mention Pokerweisbaden and Omar Rap. Great guys, ever so helpful and a great crew. You should seek advice from any or all of the above. These guys have forgotten more about German FKK / Sauna Clubs than most of us could ever expect to know. Its thanks to the guys above and the guys mentioned in a previous post that this Board is in such great shape. Informative posts and great reports which you can absolutely rely on.

Thanks again for these straightforward questions. I hope you will repay us all by reporting back about your forthcoming super splendid adventure. I really look forward to reading ever so very much.