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07-14-18 04:04 #12972
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
If prices are lower outside the FKK clubs and high inside, then FKKs would be losing market share and customers. If that is not happening, then it means FKK prices even after they have gone up effectively are not that high because they offer a superior product which their customers value.
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07-14-18 03:47 #12971
Posts: 1517OK, it is not like we are all billionaires here and detached from the reality of working folks. We are all bourgeoise here if not the proletariat.
The numbers you point out in your examples and links McA are are "real wages". Which means they are adjusting for inflation. In FKK, the 50 E has been constant, and that is a nominal amount. Not real.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/inflation-cpi
German CPI has been low but barring a couple of short periods, is still positive inflation.
https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/wage-growth
As are the German wages. And notice, the link shows real wages.
And these are countrynwide numbers, not some cherry picked sectors.
As for the argument that girls better like the 50 E or else they can take a hike and go work in the red light district well, they are not doing that. They stayed in the clubs, and have increased their effective wages and still getting enough business. I am not advocating for a price increase for the FKK girls, I am merely pointing out that they do have enough pricing power and have been able to increase their true effective prices already (by cutting back on services, time, etc and still paid 50 E).
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07-14-18 01:12 #12970
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
"Wage stagnation is a problem for broad swathes of the USA Population, not just those workers without a post-secondary education. The EPI found that in 2013, young college graduates' real hourly wages were lower than they were in the 1990's. For comparison, the average real hourly wage of a young college graduate (regardless of gender) was $18.00 in 1998, while in 2013 it was $16.99. However, manufacturing and production workers have been the worst affected group of American workers. Blue-collar manufacturing workers have seen their wages dropping by 4. 4% from 2003 to 2013, a rate of decline three times that of the average USA Worker. " https://globalriskinsights.com/2018/...clining-wages/.
"In America, median wages have been stagnant for more than 40 years. In Japan and Germany, it's been 20 years without a pay rise. " https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35709058.
The FKK clubs do not keep prices artificially low. The entirety of the German paid sex scene keeps prices low. FKK clubs are priced to compete with alternatives. If FKK girls don't like the 50 EUR /30 min rates that the club imposes on them, they are free to try their luck elsewhere as a 200 EUR per hour escort. My guess is they know they would get extremely low volume of customers. Because paid sex is so cheap in Germany. They'd truly have to stand out, perhaps Victoria Secret level to succeed in high price escort pool
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07-13-18 23:55 #12969
Posts: 80FKK in NRW area.
Besides Babylon, any other decent clubs has the FKK rule for the ladies?
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07-13-18 19:00 #12968
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by Akibono [View Original Post]
"We do not tip professionals even if their pay is low".
It is not about low pay, but paying below minimum federal wage. That's the big difference when it comes to tipping dominated industries.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...united-states/
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07-13-18 11:03 #12967
Posts: 811Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]
But I would like to point out this situation is not inevitable, even with the tourist invasion. It would not necessarily be the case if FKKs had been careful to keep ethnically diverse lineups. And still, to escape the mafia it helps to choose "outsider" WGs.
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07-13-18 05:21 #12966
Posts: 2579I can't imagine this isn't more apparent more anywhere other than FKKkland?
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07-13-18 04:59 #12965
Posts: 1162Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
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07-13-18 04:49 #12964
Posts: 1162Originally Posted by UltraHappy [View Original Post]
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07-13-18 04:19 #12963
Posts: 970Originally Posted by BigBuddy69 [View Original Post]
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07-13-18 04:00 #12962
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
I said tipping is independent of restaurant prices.
I quite agree with the CNBC link, and in any case it is obvious. Yes, prices would be higher if tipping is removed, sure. My point is indeed that actual price is being obscured by tipping, and it would far more optimal to have a transparent pricing, inclusive of all service charges (at this point, tipping is nothing more than a service charge and many restaurants directly charge 18% or higher if there are 4+ people in a party — and then sneakily leave a line on the credit card bill for a tip..at least a few times, I did not pay attention and paid a tip AFTER already paying a service charge).
As for branding as degenerative both US tipping practice and girls' providing less for 50 it is your prerogative ofc, but I would slightly disagree. If the effective price has moved up over time due to inflation but is artificially kept down by the club, the girl would feel justified in providing less. Yes, it aggravates me too, but I can understand it. If we were forced to work in jobs which had zero raise in 20 years, over time we will also cut corners and provide less.
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07-13-18 01:11 #12961
Posts: 1312Tipping Trends
Interesting that the millennials tip the lowest of all age groups according to recent surveys. Millennials disdain for tipping may account for the trend of opening up more counter-style service restaurants at the hip new places, like Shake Shack, etc.
https://www.nbcnews.com/better/busin...ons-ncna886966
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07-13-18 01:05 #12960
Posts: 1312Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Rather, she can only charge extra for non-standard services and vary her service levels. Obviously, depends on the club she is in. In some clubs, it is not a rule per se imposed on the girl, but the so-called "rule" can nevertheless manifest itself in disputes at Reception where Reception will side with the customer regarding non-standard pricing / times for standard services.
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07-12-18 23:08 #12959
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Inflation happens at restaurants, yes. BUT they change their menu prices to reflect that. The fact that prices have increased is completely transparent to the customer! Essentially what certain WGs do at certain clubs, would be analogous to restaurant advertising a 400 g steak for 20 EUR, but bringing you out a 200 g steak for 20 EUR, then asking for a tip.
I have no issues with letting free market dictate. I would have absolutely no problem if a WG were to deny me service for the following reasons: (1) "My friend told me you are a 50 EUR guy" or (2) "Last time you only gave me 50 EUR". Those are all acceptable. Whats inexcusable to me is when the WGs lure men into the room, force a customer to pick a price tier, then deliberately give shitty service if the customer picks the lowest tier. If that is their intention, then the WG should just say "If you only want to pay 50 then I will only give you 15 minutes, do you still want to stay?
With regards to your statement that dishes in America are not kept artificially low, one CNBC author seems to disagree:
"So what if more American restaurants followed suit (Tokyo) and started to pay waiters and waitresses a salary? First, the obvious: Menu prices would be higher. Without tipping, restaurants would be forced to raise the price of dishes. " https://www.cnbc.com/id/100978743.
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07-12-18 22:14 #12958
Posts: 2207Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]