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Originally Posted by ExpatLover
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I am often in Romania and other eastern Europe countries, you will be surprised to see how the life is normal there, prostitution is just a very small part of the life like in all the countries. Due to salary increase in China and the wish of many companies to shorten their supply chain you will also see huge number of trucks around Vienna driving to Romania or Hungary or Croatia. Real estate prices double in the last 12 months due to the return home of many Hungarians from England, Germany. Most of the people are happy there, open society, very safe and the police doing their job compare to France or Italy.
You mean to tell us Romanians have good level of life at home? No corruption? Are you serious? So maybe Romanian girls come to Western because they have pleasure to be fucked by mostly old fat treating them like pieces of meat? Do you know not even minimum salary in Hungary? And some Hungarian girls prostitute or are in porn. To really know difference between mostly misery now and before the wall, have to speak with people who are more than 50, then they knew how was life behind the wall, they got freedom but also misery, out of Bucharest city, Cluj and Constanza.
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Originally Posted by Turgid
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I do not believe religion is the cause of the sexual repression in the US. Sexual repression is a tool used to keep the people angry, spiteful and divided. That way the wealthy can better subdue the population. People who are sexually active have clearer minds and can easier understand what is really taking place in their country. Sexually frustrated people focus on small things and attacking each other and do not contemplate the big picture.
Maybe we should think about the % of married man or living a stable relationship visiting prostitutes, for me it is more than 70%. Will it not be better for them to invest in their relation and being sexually satisfy than to fuck prostitutes which will obviously bring no solution to their problems.
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I do not believe religion is the cause of the sexual repression in the US. Sexual repression is a tool used to keep the people angry, spiteful and divided. That way the wealthy can better subdue the population. People who are sexually active have clearer minds and can easier understand what is really taking place in their country. Sexually frustrated people focus on small things and attacking each other and do not contemplate the big picture.
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Originally Posted by TheCane
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I don't know that there wouldn't have been any FKKs. But, there certainly wouldn't have been as many successful ones without the huge influx of Romanian talent. I've boinked so many Romanian girls that I feel like I should go to Romania just to pay a visit and show my appreciation.
I am often in Romania and other eastern Europe countries, you will be surprised to see how the life is normal there, prostitution is just a very small part of the life like in all the countries. Due to salary increase in China and the wish of many companies to shorten their supply chain you will also see huge number of trucks around Vienna driving to Romania or Hungary or Croatia. Real estate prices double in the last 12 months due to the return home of many Hungarians from England, Germany. Most of the people are happy there, open society, very safe and the police doing their job compare to France or Italy.
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Originally Posted by BigBuddy69
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You can also find some East-Germans complaining about the good old days. There was food and housing for everyone. Problem, the country had a tremendous and continuously growing debt towards the West-Germany and basically it was not sustainable. And although the regime was not as authoritarian as in the neighbor countries, the lack of freedom was really getting on the nerves of the younger generation.
Okay, appears I was wrong, per 2009 poll, depending on how you want to interpret. 49 percent say GDR had some good and some bad sides, but life was good. 8 percent say GDR was mostly good and better than reunified Germany.
Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. "The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there," say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: "The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today."
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html..
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Originally Posted by BigBuddy69
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You can also find some East-Germans complaining about the good old days.
When you write "some", I am assuming you mean like 10 percent of East Germans yearn for the good old days? In Romania, that figure is 63 percent, which would be a majority. East Germany had West Germany to smooth its transition. Romania was not nearly as fortunate. Romanians have more freedom than they did under communism, but less economic security and probably more corruption. So what worked for East Germany did not work for Romania. Maybe someone who is more well-versed in political science or economics can explain why.
Originally Posted by PaulInZurich
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Ceausescu was initially seen as relatively progressive, he got in power in 1965 after Gheorghiu-Dej who was Romania's leader during Stalinist times. He publicly objected to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 which made him quite popular at the time. As well, economically situation was improving even if from a low starting point, but seeing some progress people were optimistic. He got some support from Western countries, loans, visits from Nixon and de Gaulle, de Gaulle gave him the Lgion d'honneur (Romania started manufacturing Renault licensed cars), got a horse carriage ride through London with Queen Elizabeth (Romania was supposed to build licensed BAC 1-11 jets). Unfortunately for Romania a visit to North Korea and China gave him lots of bad ideas so any progress started to be reversed. The decision to pay off foreign debt in a few years brought the economic suffering of the 80's.
Good historical context.
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My contact with Romanians (excluding WGs) is with people in their 30's or 40's with a university degree. It's a different perspective than one would get from construction workers or lettuce pickers.
Google search reveals that 15 percent of Romanians aged 15-64 hold a university degree. Not sure if that includes for instance the Romanians who graduate from medical school and immigrate to Western Europe for better opportunities. In either case, I would say that most of these university graduates are "elites" as opposed to average. From what I have heard, more so than most other countries, if your family has money in Romania, you can get a degree without even studying!
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Originally Posted by HammerTime96
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So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."
Worthy of pointing out that the reverse is not true as there is plenty of P6 in South America and Southeast Asia, areas lacking in prosperity. Likewise, the counter arguments of America, Sweden, Norway, and France show that liberty and prosperity does not mean prevalent P6.
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Originally Posted by Turgid
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Mongers should be happy that there is no longer communism in Romania. If Romania was still a communist country there would have been no FKKs and none of us would have gone to Europe particularly Germany but to Latin America and Asia instead.
Yes, we are lucky Romania, Bulgaria, Moldavia, part of Hungary, most of Russia, also with Putin killing Ukraine, fell in misery after the wall, so we can have many of their girls. I doubt they would come to be fucked if they could have a good level of life from working in their country. We can thank Romanian girls for cheap rates in Germany and NL, because if they didn't make the big part of business, German girls would not accept such cheap rate. I remember German girls moving from GT to Globe on last Summer, telling: You think we kiss them for only 50? I wonder if they will return for German rate?
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Originally Posted by Turgid
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Mongers should be happy that there is no longer communism in Romania. If Romania was still a communist country there would have been no FKKs and none of us would have gone to Europe particularly Germany but to Latin America and Asia instead.
I don't know that there wouldn't have been any FKKs. But, there certainly wouldn't have been as many successful ones without the huge influx of Romanian talent. I've boinked so many Romanian girls that I feel like I should go to Romania just to pay a visit and show my appreciation.
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Originally Posted by Turgid
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Mongers should be happy that there is no longer communism in Romania. If Romania was still a communist country there would have been no FKKs and none of us would have gone to Europe particularly Germany but to Latin America and Asia instead.
So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."
Just compare today's Amsterdam RLD to what it was in the 1980's and 1990's, look at how Yin Yang in Roermond has been closed by a feminist mayor, and LR in Kaarst is awaiting the same fate by yet another feminist mayor.
P.S. Talking about cults: isn't it peculiar that almost all lefties are fanatical mask-wearing Covidiots and Coranazis? LOL! Sitting alone in their car, wearing a mask? LOL! Walking alone in the street or in a park, wearing a mask? LOL!
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Originally Posted by Turgid
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Mongers should be happy that there is no longer communism in Romania. If Romania was still a communist country there would have been no FKKs and none of us would have gone to Europe particularly Germany but to Latin America and Asia instead.
Maybe. Maybe it is also very random how the founders of communism decided prostitution should be illegal also. But they needed the support of the local church. So that is the only reason. In reality it was nothing more than Russian politics to begin with.
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Communism in Romania
Mongers should be happy that there is no longer communism in Romania. If Romania was still a communist country there would have been no FKKs and none of us would have gone to Europe particularly Germany but to Latin America and Asia instead.
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Originally Posted by McAdonis
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I have heard this sentiment before as well from older Romanians, or younger Romanians telling me about what their parents and grandparents sometimes say in passing.
You can also find some East-Germans complaining about the good old days. There was food and housing for everyone. Problem, the country had a tremendous and continuously growing debt towards the West-Germany and basically it was not sustainable. And although the regime was not as authoritarian as in the neighbor countries, the lack of freedom was really getting on the nerves of the younger generation.
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Originally Posted by Mursenary
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I think we are all confused about your point. What is it exactly? Succinct without digression to other topics would help clarify.
In summary, responses to what I've read:
No, Romania has never reached 30 million people and has not been anywhere near 15 million since the fall of communism.
Using 200-300 e hotels in a resort area full of western holiday goers to demonstrate high cost of living is misleading and is a poor and inaccurate representation of Romania's cost of living and thus quality of life. I stayed at a modest but comfortable hotel in Central-Sibiu for less than 20 E per night. The Hilton hotel in my city costs over 200 euro tonight, it's 70 e in Sibiu tonight. Even dining out Sibiu costs about half of German prices. It's even much less if you visit local establishments outside of city centers. I had a soup, pork, Pommes, and a beer at a restaurant near Transfagarasan for less than 25 lei, that's like 5 euro.
Of course people left Romania after communism as there would be transition pains. Communist societies do not have the infrastructure to suddenly switch to capitalistic economies at the turn of a dime so of course people left in search of western income..
Do you know Romanians who knew before the wall? When WGs don't know. Most of Romanians are poorer now compare to increasing prices there than they were before the wall, and same in Bulgaria, Moldavia, Ukraine and big part of Russia, when not even minimum salary in Hungary. Do you think most attractive places now in Romania are Sibiu? Ask WGs with their 15000/20000 monthly earning when average for Romanians will be below 500, about around Brasov resort for ski, or black sea and they will tell you: very expensive there, for them, so what about so many Romanians now living in misery which was not so important before the wall. DDR was lucky to return to Germany, Czech Republic managed not so bad, but most of behind the past wall, fell in misery after the wall fall, why so many and many others than WGs left their country, even they love their country and send or bring back money to their family, when I don't plan to leave France, to go to work abroad, despite we have the highest tax. I didn't write they had better life, even those I work with didn't seem to suffer so much before the wall when Romania was different for culture than others behind the wall, despite crazy Ceacescu, but they were less poor than now when became expensive to buy a roof to live when for almost free before, when foods became expensive according to low salaries there, must be a reason so many left to find work abroad and I don t see most of them living in luxury but mostly working low level jobs but better paid than at home. New freedom, but can you really enjoy when You are in misery? When Romanian women make FKK land to be fucked by richer guys, when most will choose a Romanian to marry and make baby.
How many percent of Chinese can access to new luxury?
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Originally Posted by McAdonis
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I have heard this sentiment before as well from older Romanians, or younger Romanians telling me about what their parents and grandparents sometimes say in passing. It surprised me at first, but it happened too many times to be a one-off. Sometimes people just look back at their youth with nostalgia. Other possible explanation is that not everybody was persecuted to the same degree, at least not at the same time. I believe many of those dictatorships delivered on their promise to improve the quality of life for the average citizen, it was just not sustainable. Severe food shortages and not having heat in the winter happened towards the last years of the regime. Did not read these, maybe will later, but just skimmed, but one seems to suggest the downward spiral started in 1982 and lasted until the fall of regime in 1990:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can...ia-in-romania/
http://www.balkanalysis.com/romania/...for-communism/
Good post, you are elevating the discussion level here.
Ceausescu was initially seen as relatively progressive, he got in power in 1965 after Gheorghiu-Dej who was Romania's leader during Stalinist times. He publicly objected to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 which made him quite popular at the time. As well, economically situation was improving even if from a low starting point, but seeing some progress people were optimistic. He got some support from Western countries, loans, visits from Nixon and de Gaulle, de Gaulle gave him the Légion d'honneur (Romania started manufacturing Renault licensed cars), got a horse carriage ride through London with Queen Elizabeth (Romania was supposed to build licensed BAC 1-11 jets). Unfortunately for Romania a visit to North Korea and China gave him lots of bad ideas so any progress started to be reversed. The decision to pay off foreign debt in a few years brought the economic suffering of the 80's.
My contact with Romanians (excluding WGs) is with people in their 30's or 40's with a university degree. It's a different perspective than one would get from construction workers or lettuce pickers.
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