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[Jackyo]

Hi,

I am not familiar with Germany other than the Frankfurt area. Any reccomendation for the Studgard-Ulm area?

Thanks

I think you mean Stuttgart.

Good luck looking for one there. I read posts about one in Sindelfingen and they were not good.

My prediction: you're not getting any on this trip.

[Jimmy Smits]

How can I obtain some when I arrive in Frankfurt?

[Mufu]

Hi Jackson,

Basically, difference between FKK and Sauna is dressing code (girls are naked in FKK and lingerie in Sauna). And difference between FKK/Sauna and Partytreff is pricing

Routard

May I add a small details: only a few FKK would accept occasionally some public action.

If a Partytreff has private rooms, it will be referred as "all inclusive" FKK in the german forums.

[Clomonger]

I first visited an FKK, the legendary Atlantis, in late 2002. My preparation for the trip up from Frankfurt Airport included printing out maps and directions. I arrived at around 3PM, and felt confident that I could get there in my rental car within an hour, even though it didn't have a GPS navigation system.

It didn't take long at all for me to take a wrong turn, and consequently, maps and directions were of almost no value. Since this was mid-winter, the wan daylight soon turned to darkness, which made navigation even more difficult. About 3 hours after leaving FRA, I managed to stagger into Atlantis. The time spent driving could certainly have been better spent at their incredible facility.

Since then, I've gone to Germany several times, always taking care to reserve a car with GPS navigation system included. These are often available only on the more expensive cars, but I've had good luck in getting these systems with Sixt.

On several recent FKK trips, I rented cars from Alamo, reserving a GPS at the time of reservation. For the first rental, they provided a portable TomTom navigation system, which worked fine. When I went to pick up the vehicle for the second Alamo rental, however, I was advised that there were no vehicles available with a GPS, and to separate TomTom units for rent either.

Fortunately, I had maps and directions printed as a sort of back-up plan, in case a navigation unit wasn't available, or if it was inoperable. The back-up plan included on other item: A hand-held Garmin Etrex GPS unit. These are commonly available in the US for about $75 on ebay.

It's very easy to program this unit with the latitude/longitude information of various FKKs of interest, using the coordinates provided by Timber Tree in his excellent post #1382, dated 3-14-06.

It was nearly dark when I arrived in FRA, but I was able to follow the printed directions and maps well enough to get into the general vicinity of a target FKK. Once I got within a few km of the FKK, the Garmin unit was very helpful in guiding me the rest of the way in. Since the Garmin doesn't provide street names or maps, it sometimes takes a bit of ingenuity to find the right path to reach the target, but it's certainly better than aimlessly driving in circles.

Another suggestion: Upon arriving at the airport, it may be handy to set a waypoint of the airport's location. Then if you end up staying in a strange hotel in the hinterlands, you can at least get an indication of what direction the airport is in, and head that way until you reach an autobahn that has the friendly picture of an airplane on it.

[Too Cool #2]

Hi,

I am not familiar with Germany other than the Frankfurt area. Any reccomendation for the Studgard-Ulm area?

Thanks

[Routard]

Hi Jackson,

Find hereafter list of all clubs that have their own thread with location indication as well as type of club (sauna, FKK or partytreff). Basically, difference between FKK and Sauna is dressing code (girls are naked in FKK and lingerie in Sauna). And difference between FKK/Sauna and Partytreff is pricing (in FKK you pay fixed amount for entrance plus amount depending time spend with girl(s) while partytreff is all-inclusive, entrance include sex as much as you want). It's OK to leave the partytreff, FKK and Sauna in the same "German FKK" thread, but it could be renamed to "German FKK/Sauna and Partytreff". I guess the list answers also your question about Atlantis/Atlantica/Atlantik.

FKK Atlantica-Wuppertal
FKK Atlantik-Hanau
FKK Atlantis-Altenstadt (closed)
FKK Artemis-Berlin (claims to be FKK but is sauna, whatever, who cares?)
FKK Babylon-Elsdorf
FKK Bernd’s Schieferhof-Hennef
FKK Blue Note-Dusseldorf
FKK Club 214 Saarbrucken
FKK Cocoon-Wuppertal
FKK Colosseum-Augsburg
FKK Dolce Vitta-Dusseldorf
FKK F35-Frankfurt
FKK Fantasyland-Gorgeshausen (closed)
FKK Finca Erotica-Dierdorf
FKK Flamingo Island-Ettlingen
FKK Freudenberg 39-Bochum
FKK Heavensgate-Dorsten
FKK Lancelot-Offenburg
FKK Malibu-Nidderau
FKK Oase-Burgholzhausen
FKK Palace-Frankfurt
FKK Pascha-Villingen
FKK Sudbad-Koln
FKK Sylt-Nurnberg
FKK Wiago-Leverkussen
FKK World-Pohlheim
Sauna-Parksauna-Wildenrath
Sauna Goldentime-Bruggen
Sauna Living Room-Kaarst
Sauna Mediteran-Longerich (ex FKK Mondial)
Sauna Planet Happy Garden-Tonisvorst
Sauna Samya-Koln
Partytreff Dorsten-Wulfen
Partytreff Osnabruck-Osnabruck
Swingers Club Beverly Solingen
Eros-Na-und (Not a FKK, Sauna, Partytreff or swingers club and unknown)
Haus Fellbach (unknown)

You shoud pay a visit to the FKK scene, we would be honoured to be your guide.

Greetings

Routard

[Admin]

Greetings again,

Just to be clear here, I understand that the following FKKs have similar names but are indeed three seperate facilities in three seperate locations, correct?

FKK Atlantik - Hanau
FKK Atlantis - location unknown
FKK Atlantica - Wuppertal

Thanks,

Jackson

[Admin]

Greetings everyone,

Would somebody please enlighten me as to the difference between an FKK and a Partytreff?

In addition, should these apparently different types of operations be seperated in different foums?

Also, I've received several suggestions that I apppend the city locations to every FKK and Partytreff listing. Sure, no problem, just tell me where they are and I'll make the changes.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Hessen Bub]

Could it be its only an NRW thing? Or could it specific to their auto insurance company?

Could be, their's a lot of such rebates: if you park your car in a garage, if only you and your partner drive the car, if you drive less than xxx kms per year and so on.

Rental cars in Germany come without winter tires. You have to pay extra, and they have to be available. If you are involved in an accident with summer tires, you could be fined although you did not cause it. German law ...

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

Maybe (I am assuming that you mean rental car insurance, for my insurance is the same whether I am using winter, summer, all-weather or bald eagles), but when you rent from Europcar, the insurance is usually included and the fee for the winter tires is still approximately 10 EUR per day. Using that option won't get you a cut rate on the insurance.

Dedalus

.. by friends in Koeln that their personal (not rental) auto insurance is lower if they do the tire switch thing.

Could it be its only an NRW thing? Or could it specific to their auto insurance company?

[Jackyo]

in case anyone was curious as to what kabinensex is about, here is a wikipedia description. this is a wiener phenomena kind of in the same way that sexkinos are a berliner phenomena.

kabinensex bezeichnet eine variante weiblicher prostitution in wien für schnelle und kostengünstige sexuelle befriedigung.

zum unterschied von traditionellen bordellen sind die angebotenen lokalitäten weder mit bereitstehendem personal noch barservice verbunden. von einem vorraum aus führen meist mehrere türen in kleine kabinen. im einfachsten fall sind es ein mit wenig aufwand und geringem gestaltungswillen aus einigen pressspanplatten zusammengebastelter raum im raum. in der vorderwand befindet sich ein groszügig ausgeschnittenes loch in genitalhöhe, das an glory holes erinnert. in gesichtshöhe gibt eine ausnehmung den blick frei auf einen fernseher, in denen pornovideos gezeigt werden.

die anonymität ursprünglicher glory holes reduziert sich auf die symbolische trennwand zwischen prostituierter und freier, zwischen denen es zu offener absprache des preises kommt, der je nach angebotenen diensten variiert. meist beschränkt sich das angebot auf manuelle oder orale befriedigung und stellt eine preisgünstige variante zu professionellen diensten in einem bordell dar. im jahre 2005 wurden dumping-preise ab 15 € gesichtet.[1]

als kabinensex in weiterem sinne wird manchmal auch der dienst mancher peepshows bezeichnet, die einzelkabinen anbieten, in denen der besucher durch eine glasscheibe getrennt mit tänzerinnen der peepshow in kontakt treten kann. die kabine kann zu einer einzelvorstellung genutzt werden, meist wird aber nach preisabsprache die trennwand entfernt, wobei der kunde sich zur prostituierten in die kabine begibt. in vielen peepshows werden neben manueller und oraler befriedigung auch geschlechtsverkehr angeboten.

i'll do more of a translation later but it basically talks about the set up of the cabins with holes so you can have limited contact with the sp.

what is interesting is the sentence which says that pricing starts at 15 euros (a dumping price, it says).

[Dedalus]

Your auto insurance is actually lower with winter tires than it is with normal tires so there is a financial incentive to switch over too (aside from the additional safety factor).

Maybe (I am assuming that you mean rental car insurance, for my insurance is the same whether I am using winter, summer, all-weather or bald eagles), but when you rent from Europcar, the insurance is usually included and the fee for the winter tires is still approximately 10 EUR per day. Using that option won't get you a cut rate on the insurance.

This is relatively new, for only a few years ago, if you rented a car from Europcar in winter time, then the car would come with M+S tires.

Times change...

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Jackyo]

not sure how it is now, but last winter europcar was indeed charging and extra fee for a car with winter tires.

cheers,

dedalus

your auto insurance is actually lower with winter tires than it is with normal tires so there is a financial incentive to switch over too (aside from the additional safety factor).

one thing which they pay more attention to in europe that we don't here on this side of the pond is the tire's speed rating.

we just don't drive very fast here so it doesn't matter quite as much.

in germany, on the other hand, there are cars on the autobahn driving on the left lane which are driving at twice the speed of the cars driving on the right lane. those cars in the left lane aren't just using normal speed tires but tires which are made to run at 240 kph for hours on end.

the us market is porsche's largest market for its cars. those cars don't drive anywhere near their limits or potential here. seems like such a waste.

[Dedalus]

I believe the more well known rental companies always have put winter tires on their cars. I usually use Europcar, and had a discussion in the garage last November. The garage technician told me they always put winter tires on all their cars during winter season. No extra charge for that. I have seen on the web-site that you can book winter tires at an extra 4 Euros per day, but this is obviously not necessary since the cars already are equiped with it.

And good tires seems to be necessary equipment these last days...

Not sure how it is now, but last winter Europcar was indeed charging and extra fee for a car with winter tires.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Polar]

I believe the more well known rental companies always have put winter tires on their cars. I usually use Europcar, and had a discussion in the garage last November. The garage technician told me they always put winter tires on all their cars during winter season. No extra charge for that. I have seen on the web-site that you can book winter tires at an extra 4 Euros per day, but this is obviously not necessary since the cars already are equiped with it.

And good tires seems to be necessary equipment these last days...