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[Routard]

I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?

King Wenslas

This is an interesting topic. I often wonder in FKK if other ISG members are also in the Club. It becomes an important topic, as we are 8 ISG members to meet us at FKK World on December 1st. It's an open invitation, so may be others will join us. Some have met each other allready, some not. But if one member is missing that is supposed to point others out, it could become an issue to find us.

The recognising sign must be discrete. Of course nobody wants to wear a button with:"Hi, I'm an ISG member", or a ridiculous colorfull item.

In FKK, we are supposed to have only sandals, a towel, the locker key and the wrist band. Some have personal items like watch, jewels and cigaretttes or cigars. Cigarettes or cigars are not convenient to keep, as the towels have no pockets. Hard to chose a specific type of watch or jewel that everybody should wear. Hard to wear on a specific way the towel, the sandals or even the watch or jewels.

What if we wear the locker key on a specific way: instead of around the wrist, we could attach it through the the wrist band or watch (and not the wrist itself) in a way that wristband (or watch) and locker key band make an 8. It is also a more convenient way to open the locker as there is no need to untigh the locker key from the arm to use it. I don't know if what I'm trying to explain is clear for everybody.

It's an easy sign, as we don't need to bring specific item with us, it is discrete and convenient, unusual enough to be a recognising sign but still anyone can always deny it is a ISG recognizing sign if he needs to. I'm looking forward your reaction or any other suggestion.

[Optimist]

Hi Beffen - it looks like that weekend is going to be an unofficial isg party,. I will be at FKK World from 9th to the 12th inclusive and I know two other members who are planning to be there.

I'll be at the normal hotel most of the time - will you also be there? Although from experience our hours seem to be very different. I never got used to sleeping past 8.00am

So I guess it's an open invitation to anybody else to join us. I'm hoping this time to spot the very elusive Ortos

Look forward to seeing you. In the meantime I'm eating well to prepare for my four days of FKK World soup kitchen rations!

[Kingwenslas]

To Euro, Ortos, Whitey2

Thanks for your stimulating replies. OK, now I accept that it’s alright for a girl to lie to about a few things. This forum is fantastic for clarifying these issues.

And yep, we really need to work out some code or something to help identify other forum members when we are “out in the field”. How about wearing a baseball cap? I’ll keep thinking about it.

[Beffen1]

Hi Shiatsu,
Didn't mean to demean or otherwise negate anyones approach, as you know I am also looking for that connection with a nice girl. And you know how I feel about you and your approach and sensibilities regarding the FKK game, utmost respect. Obviously your "romantic" method is just as much fun. And I too have had sessions lasting 1 hour with maybe 20 minutes of sex and 40 minutes of relax and "getting to know you" time.

Looking forward to the next meeting- are you around Dec 7,8,9,10?

beffen

[Optimist]

Beffen - Just a question of keeping a range of views and approaches into the forum. Any one post is only a small part of the possible ways of looking at things. I appreciate it may not be everybody's style, and that what I write may be a very minority approach - however as other people had already mentioned it I thought I would follow it up

I thought it was all a bit over-romantic rather than analytical. Analytical is dissecting a SP by the size of tits etc

Not all posts will be to everybody's tastes - personally there are some kinds of posts which are not in keeping with how I look at things but I would not want to comment. I like to keep discretion. For example, I do not post what SPs have said about isg members - when the SP says the isg member was horrible but the member has posted the SP liked him (and I am NOT talking about Cordelia who keeps total confidence about her clients and never tells me anything, quite rightly).

I think you have slightly misunderstood the posts - what I and others wrote about is how to get the best fun. And how to get the best connection - which is of course exactly what you are saying as well at the end of your second paragraph (I think)

So - here's something to discuss next time we meet! Look forward to saying hi again at some stage. In the meantime I promise no more "souls" for the time being!

Ortos - ok - we are set up for out third attempt. It's easier to get a girl to a room than meet a fellow isg member. When I first tried to find Beffen I approached several men wrongly and started getting worried that they thought I was trying somehting weird - after all, try this on a stranger "Are you Beffen?" (especially as I now know it's Dutch meaning)

[Beffen1]

Hi all you mongerers,
Interesting thread here. Heck, when I'm in an FKK, I find it very difficult NOT to smile. I smile at everyone, and I make eye contact too. Sometimes I feel goofy doing so. I have been known to avert my gaze from girls who have made a pest of themselves to me in the past or are persistent, but usually I keep smiling at everyone and I keep moving when I'm not interested in a girl while on the prowl. It's fun to flirt, those hallway hugs and kissses and come-ons can be fun. But on the couch, sometimes I'm a softy and sometimes end up sessioning with a girl when I really don't want to and that I need to work on. Right Ortos?

But all this "eyes are the window to the soul" stuff is getting a bit analytical for my taste. I'm there to have fun and most of that is finding a girl who for me is a hottie and then seeing if I can turn her from a SW to a fuck buddie. First I see the physical appearance and I take it from there. Get close to her, chat a bit, caresses lead to kisses, That's when I see the twinkle in her eyes, when we realize we are comfortable together, can spend a good portion of a session in relaxed tender pillow talk, share small portions of our lives and personalities. I'm always honest with a girl I like and it feels good.

beffen

[Henio]

I've got a 50 euro session donation for the first ISG member I see walking around in pink bunny slippers.
whitey2

I have a standing offer of 100e to the guy that climbs the wall at Oase and tears down the fucking strobe light (or whatever it is called). Think I made the offer on another board, but will extend it to this one as I am hoping to hear news of someone climbing walls at Oase wearing nothing but pink bunny slippers and ripping that damn thing off the wall, earning 150e total. That would be a sight worth every penny.

On a different subject: Reports from the Artemis club in Berlin are not exactly pouring in. Any of you have recent info?

Chivaz

[Whitey2]

Originally Posted by Kingwenslas
I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas

I'm thinkin' maybe pink bunny slippers.

What? No?

I'll be there in FKK land in a couple of weeks. I've got a 50 euro session donation for the first ISG member I see walking around in pink bunny slippers.

whitey2

[Euro100]

...she was not Polish, but Ukrainian. It certainly explained why she spoke Russian, but if a girl is going to lie about things like that, what is she going to be like in the sack?

King,

I agree with most of what you said. But why the heck would you think that everything these girls are telling you is the truth? I EXPECT them to lie, about small things and big things. Do you tell them that you are married and have three kids (just an example ), where you live, and how old you are? Or even what you real name is? Of course not!

The girls want to guard their privacy just as much, maybe even more, than we do.

So I don't give a shit what lies they tell me. And I don't think that it has anything to do how they are "in the sack".

... of course if they tell me that I have the hardest, longest, best-looking dick that they have ever tasted, and how I made them come at least ten times, and that the session we just had was the best sex ever for them, then I know that they are telling the truth.

euro

[Henio]

I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?
King Wenslas

I've thought about this and the best I have come up with is wearing the towel backwards ;-)

Not much to go by though. Remember one time meeting up a member at Palace. Only thing we had going as of identification was the general look of our watches and brand of cigarettes. These are small things and I think I was starting to look like some kind of stalker, checking out guys watches and smokes. It worked though.

Chivaz

[Ortos]

King Wenslas:

What a small world, eh? Well, I agree entirely with the last sentence of your post. But what can one do? You are not the first board member here to overlap with me at an FKK and we didn't know it, either of us. In fact it happened twice, on two separate occassions, when both Shiatsu and I were at FFKW on the same day/night, once last year and just recently last week.

I'd love to hear more about your tall Polish friend, Julie. I saw one or two tall blonde girls that I was interested in, but never got around to pursuing in a proper manner.

Interesting in the extreme to compare your experience with Sandra and mine. Personally, I would not be too upset by Sandra's (or any other girl's) attempt to mislead me about her origin. For whatever reason, she decided it was better to not reveal her true country of origin. I do the same thing, often. Fair enough, given the superficial nature of initial encounters on a couch or dining stool at an FKK. Let's not forget there had just been a raid in which they seemed to have targeted mainly girls from non-EC countries. Ukraine is a dodgy country to be from as far as immigration issues go in Germany...So how the hell does she know you are not an undercover whatever...

Anyway, very interesting that we both got some dodgy vibes from her and aborted our intention to go session with her. Just shows that we are getting more refined and educated in our selection skills...

Ortos

[Kingwenslas]

On 15th November, Ortos wrote a section entitled “Reflecting on: Moechtest Du Gesaellshaft? ("Would you like some company?")”

He described his encounter with Sandra, the blond from Poland who is mid 20s. This thread about assessing the girls before a session is oh so very interesting, but I was particularly interested in what he said about Sandra, as I myself was there on Saturday and spent some time talking to her.

Interestingly I too did not have a session with her as our chat started very well, but there was something which didn’t add up, so I pulled out. It could have been the sob story she gave me about being divorced, it could have been how she didn’t like the management at Oase or it could have been her pessimism about other fkk clubs. But the point is that my initial enthusiasm for her ebbed away after talking to her for 5 or 10 minutes.

For those who think that I should not have taken up her time for that long, well, we were having dinner together and the first thing I said to her when she sat down was that I was waiting for someone else, but obviously I had her in mind as a possibility.

Then, when she had finished eating, she asked me in plain German “Do you want sex”, I said “Nein” and with that she went off in a huff. I later discussed her with Julie, my favourite, tall Polish girl. Julie said that she was not Polish, but Ukrainian. It certainly explained why she spoke Russian, but if a girl is going to lie about things like that, what is she going to be like in the sack? Sandra also told me that she was 32, but now I don’t even know that.

Ortos, I think I can remember seeing someone lying down on one of those sofas last Saturday. I just wish that us forum members could have some kind of way of recognising each other so that we can meet up and compare notes. Maybe other members have some ideas about how to do this?

King Wenslas

[Optimist]

Iseeu - can I feebly echo your words? "eyes. I look for the smile in there, the mirror to the soul, that little bit of mirth, to see if she enjoys what she's doing" you say

I think you are dead right about the skills needed at an FKK and those in "real" life. It's all about relationships(even if only a cash one) and integrity. My main concern after my initial FKK visits was to make sure I was not ripped off, and of course as time goes on one's expectations rise. There are of course the techniques of watching how the girls behave with clients - that way I can eliminate probably 30% of the girls. This leaves the other 70% who probably give decent service. Out of that percentage I am looking for the perhaps 5% who give exceptional sevice - and if I don't find her I won't go with anyone normally.

Like you I have found that the only way is an almost instinctive understanding from watching their body language and primarily their eyes. It is like, as I put it in posts well over a year ago, the eyes are the window to the soul, and as Chivaz says the smile only counts if it reaches the eyes. Only if I see honesty and tenderness there will I go with a girl in any expectation of a good session. If the girl has that, it is obvious like a flash of lightning - one time I saw a girl entering the FKK as I was dressed and leaving, and I turned right round and went back in, changed and had the first of many sessions with her, another time I saw a different girl who was not my "type" and I would normally refuse totally but who only had to open her eyes to say she was loving trhe job, the next time was also with a rather spotty podgy girl who also had the eyes, and lastly one very recently who I caught the eyes at a tangent and saw that she would be a good provider.

I have recently never made a mistake in assessing the quality. I guess maybe I am fortunate as part of my job is about assessing how people are, what they need and what they have to offer. FKKing is a marvellous opportunity to practice understanding people skills. Just to test myself I will occasionally go with someone who I think is only a good (not outstanding) provider (using my eye assessment and body language reaction) and have always found that to be accurate. Nobody can fake eyes or even body language - faked body language is clearly fake - what is in the soul is expressed in the body and eyes however much technique is layered over the top. Large breasts, fluttery eyes, false smiles, screams of ecstasy, can all be faked - but someone who enjoys the job and gives a little bit of themselves cannot. What counts is what is on the inside - regardelss of age, shape, ethnicity and so on

One of my favourite workers used to say to me that men only liked her body and would ignore her when she was old. Trite maybe, but true - this person would be the same person whatever age she was, and in the 20 months she was at FKK, the lines began on her face, and the muscles began to move their slow descent, but to my mind she was growing as a person and the inside was better than ever. To my mind, if I were only to go with 18 year olds then that would mean I was only the consumer of an empty body not a temporary partner with a person (the fact that it is a commercial transaction does not mean the person does not exist)

Of course the extreme logic of what I am saying is that the physical sex is only a way to get somewhere else. Now that's a paradox of a proposition to put in a discussion about how to get the best sex - best sessions comes when it's not about the physical alone. In fact I would even ask myself if in some ways the best sessions I've had have been in those every rare sessions when the closest we got was touching hands. This intense sex depends not on mechanical programmes to make a man come but on what the shared 30 minutes (or longer) experience is.

As they say never mind the width, take some time to discover the quality, which may be subtle or obvious, young or old, black or white, but always unique

Ortos and Chivaz - i won't add to what you have said in recent posts except to say that I have the same views and experiences and think you have said it exactly correctly

[Akibono]

When I first went to the clubs, I headed straight for the eye candy. After being "processed" for a few times and given short sessions, I found an emotional encounter was just as important.


When you have sessioned with a girls, and she finds that you are interesting and kind, you get a much different session. She then tries to please you instead of process you. However, I understand Shiatsu when he says he sometimes wants to hide from the girls. Some expect you to session with them every time or expect you to spend 100E if that is what you spent the last time. This can be a bit uncomfortable.

[Henio]

Hi Isseu,

Glad you joined in. During my first few visits to the FKKs not so many years ago, I was armed with some advice from the boards, some I forgot as soon as I entered the club dumbstruck by the sights and sounds of the place, but some stuck with me. One of those advice that stuck was actually your "it's all in the eyes" as a indication for a level of intimacy.

One of the things that keeps drawing me to girls like Gabriela at Oase is that the smile actually reaches her eyes and by that you can see it is a genuine one. The difference between a fake and real smile is all in the eyes.

I know you New Yorkers are not that bad ;-)

Chivaz