General Info

[Tom2004]

Peter,

From your perspective and from what you know about the current FKK scene, does the typical FKK girl have a pimp? If so: A) What percentage of girls in FKKs have pimps; and B) How much does the pimp take from the girl's daily intake and should we not factor this in when we consider her potential annual income?

Thnks

The FKK clubs are highly (well at least reasonably) controlled by the authorities and the pimp business works better with those are illegal in Germany. However there is a number and I would guess the percentage between 25 to 50 %. However in many cases it is more considered to be the friend than the pimp and the guy has one "girl" only, but in return she will cover all expenses and this means it could easily around 80 percent of the income.

Others may have no pimps but relatives are waiting for the transfer of money. And those girls not having a pimp or relatives are big spenders and will not safe much of the income.

Thats what I know about the business.

Stay safe,

Tom

[Ortos]

i have twice driven from direct from schipol to phg. i left schipl about 13.00-13.30. i was parking in the club parking lot by 15.30. so it's about two hours if you know the way and drive fairly aggressively. i traveled through utrecht/arnhem/oberhausen, and then south on the a3 through duisburg. i don't know if it is any faster to take the alternative route through venlo. anyway, count on 2 to 2.5 hours with traffic and your driving speeds the two variables.

[Woof Woof]

I have a flight next month that takes me to Frankfurt via Amsterdam. Now, since I've already been to the Palace in the Frankfurt area and would like to check out those highly reviewed FKKs in the golden triangle area (GT, PHG, etc.), isn't Schipol Airport closer by car to the GT FKKs than Frankfurt? If so, how long does it take to go by car from Schipol (sp?) to the golden triangle clubs as opposed to from Frankfurt?

Cheers,
WW

[CBGBConnisur]

I noticed the best looking women in Germany almost always tend to be foreigners themselves(Italian, CIS, EE, Turkish, Spanish, South American, etc.). I think its really easy for a guy to hook up with a foreign women in Germany, many of them seem to see Germany as a transitory place, and like to move around a lot.

[Akibono]

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Aki, keep smoking the pipe, I am American, and have been a hobbyist for a long time. I used to put up with a lot of shit with American working girls, who would play all sorts of shit. A few years ago, I went to Germany, and was blown away, so much that my standards of service went through the roof. I used to pay around $300 to $500US for a good quality escort in New York, and was lucky if I would get only 15 minutes of service. For the same amount of money in Germany, I would go to a club and fuck between 5 and 10 women(when the exchange rates were better). Even with the Euro as high as it is, I still get a lot of "bang" for my buck(no pun intended).

I agree with your assessment of the US market. It just supports my point that sex is excessively expensive due to restriction on supply. That is why I am willing to travel for my sex.

Women in the States would give you shit service out of the obvious reason that in America, a man who visits a prostitute has a certain stigma, he's considered a dirtbag or a loser, and then combined with the feminist movement, the hooker has a perfect excuse to treat you like dirt. Its the opposite in Europe, Australia, and French speaking Canada, where the girls will treat you with respect as a client.

You don't get shit service in US because you are a loser. As you stated, even if you are a professional with a high end SP, you still get poor quality for high prices because it is a stigma for the WOMAN to sell herself. Sex is not a dirty word in Europe although it is not something most women will admit doing. Higher number of SP means better quality at lower prices. The FKK is a masterful idea. It is a far jump above the RLD that was the previous standard. Those who have been to the RLD in places like Hamburg will tell you the ripoffs. The FKK gives the customer a huge advantage since bad SP will be known quickly.

Most girls as far as earnings are concerned earn nowhere near that amount of money you mention. 100-200K+ is something only a New York or London escort can earn. Most FKK girls will net around $40,000 to $50,000US a year working full time, and they actually do have to pay taxes as prostitution is legal in Germany and they are protected by the German social welfare system. They are modestly compensated compared to similar caliber women in big US cities.

Most girls don't earn as much because they work off and on. But those who work year round actually earn alot. Since most of the payments is in cash, very little of it is actually taxed.

[CBGBConnisur]

Aki, keep smoking the pipe, I am American, and have been a hobbyist for a long time. I used to put up with a lot of shit with American working girls, who would play all sorts of shit. A few years ago, I went to Germany, and was blown away, so much that my standards of service went through the roof. I used to pay around $300 to $500US for a good quality escort in New York, and was lucky if I would get only 15 minutes of service. For the same amount of money in Germany, I would go to a club and fuck between 5 and 10 women(when the exchange rates were better). Even with the Euro as high as it is, I still get a lot of "bang" for my buck(no pun intended).

Women in the States would give you shit service out of the obvious reason that in America, a man who visits a prostitute has a certain stigma, he's considered a dirtbag or a loser, and then combined with the feminist movement, the hooker has a perfect excuse to treat you like dirt. Its the opposite in Europe, Australia, and French speaking Canada, where the girls will treat you with respect as a client.

Most girls as far as earnings are concerned earn nowhere near that amount of money you mention. 100-200K+ is something only a New York or London escort can earn. Most FKK girls will net around $40,000 to $50,000US a year working full time, and they actually do have to pay taxes as prostitution is legal in Germany and they are protected by the German social welfare system. They are modestly compensated compared to similar caliber women in big US cities.

As far as hooking up with women outside the club, what the hell, go ahead. But as far as bringing them back home, if your in the US, you will be putting up with a lot of obvious governmental shit. And just because they were nice in Germany doesn't mean that they won't change in the States(get fat, nasty, or whatever).

[Ortos]

Peter,

From your perspective and from what you know about the current FKK scene, does the typical FKK girl have a pimp? If so: A) What percentage of girls in FKKs have pimps; and B) How much does the pimp take from the girl's daily intake and should we not factor this in when we consider her potential annual income?

Thnks

[Peter]

Akibono,

Hardly any girls earn nearly that much.

After expenses most girls who work pretty much full time can hope to earn about 50K€, but not all that much more. Some highly motivated girls who really do service that many customers manage more, but it is the exception not the rule.

[Global Playboy]

I completely disagree about the price of good sex in Germany versus the USA. I used to live in Nevada, and believe it or not, there used to be a brothel similar to the German FKKs outside of Las Vegas, with women parading around in the nude. This club got on the news because it ripped off customers, a guy would walk in and was greeted by a naked women, and then was told he could have sex with her for about $200, it was a scam, the lady would just sit naked next to you for an hour, and you would get two drinks, you couldn't even touch her or you would get kicked out of the club by the bouncers. The place wound up on the news and it was eventually shut down. Prostitution in America is a complete scam, a few German customers asked me about services in the States, and I told them to forget about it because it will nowhere near reach the quality of Germany, the only European quality you get in North America is in Montreal Canada.

[Akibono]

Sex in germany is not cheap. It's just expensive in the states. They do everything to limit the supply and to control the price (monogomy, laws, vice). What you are paying in New York is for glamor and status. In places like the brothels of Nevada, they control the supply as well as the price. They teach the girls to milk the customer. In Germany, the man is king and the club owners keep the prices low to please the men. NO women's rights BS. They just provide a good place for men and women to meet. Consider that a girl in a FKK can sevice 10-15 guys a night and over 3000 customers in a year. She can make 100K-200K tax free! It takes a very small percentage of girls to satisfy the male population. That is why you never see any fights over girls in a club. Males know she will be available in an hour and there are plenty of alternatives. Thus, even if a small percentage of attractive girls works, there will be enough to go around. It's like drugs. The stuff is cheap. The law makes it expensive.

Consider the massive porno and lap dance industry in the US. There is certainly demand for sex if it is available. There will be plenty of attractive girls at reasonable prices. My guess is about 100 dollars which is close to the rate in germany when you factor in the club costs.

[Euro100]

Some of these women are top quality, supermodel material, do they realize how much they can earn in a market like London or New York?

Most of them may not realize this, and the few who do also know that it is hard to come to NYC or even London and make a living this way. Let's not forget a big difference: prostitution is legal in Germany!

Can't wait to come back to Germany.

Yep, everybody who has been to an FKK in Germany feels the same way. I have punted in many places around the world, but I find the experience most pleasurable and the value for the money is best at a German FKK.

Welcome to the addicted
euro

[Global Playboy]

Some of these women are top quality, supermodel material, do they realize how much they can earn in a market like London or New York? I paid about to 200EU for TWO FULL hours with Sammy, a similar escort back in the States would have charged me $600 to $1000 for the same amount time(she probably would told me to cum after 10 minutes anyway). There was another Czech lady in Frankfurt that looked like Mrs. Donald Trump and I only paid 50EU to bone her. Can't wait to come back to Germany.

[Peter]

That is how they find the girls. I have explained the system a number of times.

In PHG:

Girls pay 100€ entrance fee a week, no matter how many days they work. They keep 100% of the money they earn.

Girls like Sammy have about 8 customers a day, but many others manage 3-4 on average. Some girls like longer sessions as it is less total work for them, and it can be more enjoyable, especially if they know the guy.

The cell phone thing can be tricky. I know a couple of girls privately outside of the clubs, but it has been more seeing them about town, and not being uncomfortable about it.

Some girls have pimps (in the many incarnations), many don't. Pimps don't get let on the premises, and if the girls have one i is pretty much their own stupidity.

I have seen a couple of the girls that I know from the clubs out on dates with clients I know from clubs too. I find it weird, because I know they are dating a girl I can fuck for 50€, and I imagine so do at least a cople of other people in the restaurant.

The couple I know well, I am also friends with.

It can be a good way to earn significantly more money than in a regular job, and once you are over your first week working, it is no real big deeal for alot of girls. That is why so many who quit are back in the job once the finances get tricky.

[Global Playboy]

I recently visited Happy Garden in Oedt as well as a few other clubs. One thing I have to say is, where the hell do they find these women to work for so cheap? I paid 50EU and banged Sammi, a German Paris Hilton look alike. I was so impressed with her, that I booked her for 2 hours straight. Where do they find these ladies? I'm wondering, have any of you guys tried to meet these girls outside of the clubs, there was this one Polish girl who gave me her cellular number(mobile in Europe). Are there any kind of risks? Do these girls have Russian mafioso type pimps that I should be wary of?

[Peter]

No in room options!

But oros is right, plenty of FKK's around that area. Rent a car and then within a 70km circle there are something like 50 clubs. But stick to one of the 3 he mentioned, and after hitting Wildenrath yesterday I would say either Goldentime or Planet Happy Garden to ge the real fkk experience.

Oberhausen is closer to Düsseldorf than Dortmund.