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[Footloose]

Peter,

Thanks for your recommendations. Yes, I am planning to rent a car. BTW, what about PHG. I hear it may be difficult to find. Is it worth the hassle?

Also, what do you recommend for overnight stay in Cologne area?

[Peter]

Footloose,

Sorry, I missed your post.

Purely in terms of service the 3 clubs you named in the Cologne Area are wll above the standard service level in Frankfurt area clubs. There are not as many girls, and in some of the clubs I am not blown away by the look of the girls, but there is no way you can complain about the service.

Babylon and Wiago, I have not been to Babylon for over a year, and it has been at least 18 months since I have been in Wiago. I don't really like their price structure with 30€ entrance 80€ for the first session and 65€ for each additional session. At all 3 clubs CIM is included in the base price, and sessions that last up to 45 minutes all count as half hour sessions and some decent couch action including kissing and BBBJ are standard.

From what it used to be Babylon had the best looking girls, a tad on the younger side (18-21) considering that the men tended to be older (50+). Wiago is a little lower class, but since both are owned by the same people maybe you can try Wiago first, and if you really don't like any of the girls you might talk them into letting you go to Babylon without paying entrance again, but that is no promise!

Bernd's is the granddaddy of all clubs, and has the highest service level. I find there to be a lot of older and chubbier girls, but generally it is good. The pricing now is 70€ entrance and each session is 50€. But take avantage of the CIM here to make it a good deal. They also have one of the best buffet's around. But they are closed on the weekends!

These clubs (especially Babylon and Bernd's) are not reachable with public transit, so you better rent a car. I would recommend Bernd's as top of those 3, then Babylon.

Peter

[Carnal1]

Mark User,

Thanks for the Heads up! I shall make a point of avoiding her when I get there next week. I guess it tells you to keep you wits about you when some girls starts sucking on your dick. Hard to think with both heads at the same time but you gotta do it !

I have heard similar stories regarding this issue, once she starts the BJ so does the clock.

Caveat Punter !

Carnal1

[Novize]

Mark User,

You will find some girls like Nora in every club. If you didn´t get in to "really action", don´t pay. Complain at the reception.

Officially, the clock starts to run as soon as you begin with the action, no matter, where you start. But sucking a little bit and then making a break and letting the clock run is not the behaviour that shall be forced by this rule. The rule is just a consequence of the fact that you are not limited to the rooms for sexual action. Personnally, I wouldn´t even give here the 50 € withaout discussing this issue at the reception before. Of course you will have to pay the besich 50 €, but this is the only way the club gets information on the behaviour of the girls. The better clubs - and Palace should be one of them - sont´t want to the ripp-offs to work in their house. The more complaints about a certain women, the earlier she has to leave...

But it´s necessary to complain immediately.

[Mark User]

An Exceprt from my report in Palace board:

Here is a recent very bad experience: my question up front: what is YOUR understanding of the rules?

A Bad Exerience at Palace with Nora: Here is the pattern: As soon as you start with this type of girl, on the couch or in the Kino, they put their hand on your penis, and then give you a quick lick or short suck. THAT STARTS THE CLOCK as far as they are concerned. I have NEVER had a girl 'count' the warm up time as part of the 30 mins. Maybe I have just been lucky in all my visits to all the clubs, but this was a first *for me*.

After that first lick, we chatted a bit, caressed, she gave me an occasionaly rub or lick more, and then when a room opened up, we went. Once we moved to the room, we kissed for a minute or two, I did oral on her (at her suggestion) for maybe 5 minutes, and then she says, "we only have 1 minute left, do you want to do 1 stunde (hour)?!?!?" WHOA!!! I immediately said, "No, we're done," and got up and started to wrap in my towel. She looked like she had no idea what I meant. She protested that this was just her job, and when she did "suckee suckee in kino" that was starting the 30 minutes, and that for sex I would have to pay 1 hour now. I said, no I wouldn't, "BECAUSE WE'RE DONE." And I got my things, I paid her, and she continued to complain.

As I said, this has never been my personal experience, or the 'rule' applied to any of the sessions, at any of the clubs, although maybe implicitly the girls who wanted to rush may have been doing this. She said, "it's my job, and if I do suckee it is 30 minutes for 50 euros." I replied "my job is to tell my colleagues on the net to stay away from you." So here goes: Nora is a thin bleach blonde (probably) with slightly crooked front teeth/overbite. Speaks wonderful English. She is one of the ones who will go up to guys somewhat aggressively to initiate something; now I know why. STAY AWAY.

Have I just been incredibly lucky for 4 years? What is other guys experience in this area?

'nuf said.

Mark

[Footloose]

Peter,

How do Bernd's, babylon, and Wiago rate with Palce, World, Oase interms of quality and service? As i will be visiting Cologne, I am limited to only the former.

TIA

[Beffen1]

Carnal,

I have found Rates to Go very handy for booking Frankfurt- prices are higher on this website until 2 weeks of your date, then they suddenly drop, probably as they put those blocks of rooms they reserved up for sale, right Ortos? Check it frequently.

http://www.ratestogo.com/SearchResults.asp?ShowAll=1&cityid=302

beffen1

[Carnal1]

Dank u Ortos,

More girls, better quality, whats next,,good weather?

al "feta" zene

Carnal1

[Peter]

Bruce Ley,

Sorry for the delay.

Bernds (Schieferhof) does include Cum on Face /CIM in the price (Which has been lowered to 50€ per session with an 80€ entrance fee)

Babylon and Wiago which are both between Cologne and Düsseldorf offer the service in the price as well.

Peter

[Ortos]

Carnal,

Here is a good website for your needs: www.messefrankfurt.com

It lists the dates of all Messe events and has a hotel reservation search function...but I think you will have better results at one of the more conventional hotel searches, like Orbitz or expedia, etc.

One note: I have not checked, but mid-late Sept may well be the start of the Messe season in Frankfurt. It does suck when trying to secure a centrally located hotel room at a cheap price. Sometimes, however, hotels block out rooms in anticipation of selling out for the Messe. Then a few days before the event, the rooms still unsold, the hotel will suddenly release those rooms for quick sale. Maybe you'll have to do like Beffen and head to Giessen for accommodation.

But take solace in the fact that, whatever the difficulties with finding a room during Messe dates, you will probably be amply compensated by the above-average girl selection in the area's FKKs...

Ortos

[Carnal1]

A quick question for a few of you regulars. How do I find out if there is a messe going on during one of my upcoming trips ? Is there a English Website that has dates of the major Conventions in the Frankfurt area ? Looks like the second week of September has some problems getting reasonably priced Hotels in the
Main Hbf area. The Intercity is sold out, prices are high !

Thanks in advance,

Carnal1

[Footloose]

I plan to be visiting the Koeln (Clogne) area in September. I will arrive on a Wednesday evening and leave Thursday evening. I would like recommendations from my fellow pooners for Best FKK in the area (say within 1 hr driving and easy to find). Which one would be best to visit say Wed night and another one or two for Thursday afternoon. TIA

[Novize]

Bruce Ley,

The only club I know is Bernd´s Saunaclub (Schieferhof). Everything a girl offers is included in the price.

In the Rhein-Main-Area, CIM/COF is ALWAYS an extra. COB is a matter of negotiation. Regarding to latest news COB is included in the Club-Standard at Oase. But it´s better to ask at the reception.

[Stinky Pete]

Hi Bruce,

I, too, enjoy shooting off on a woman's face. I used to be shy about asking to come on a woman's face, but I have gotten into it quite a bit in the past year, both at Atlantis, before it closed, and now at FKK World. My favorite position lately is to have the woman lie down with me straddling her rib cage so I can fuck her cleavage.

I usually pick the bustier ones for this, although it seems to work okay even with smaller boobs (say, C-cup). I like nothing better than to wrap her boobs around my cock as I thrust forward and feel her tongue flicking out or feel her lips catch my knob. Pretty soon she's got ribbons of white come on her cheeks and chin and dripping down her neck.

My experience at FKK World in the past year makes me recommend some of the Polish women there. Every one I've been with has let me shoot off on her face. They include Nina, a 19 year old natural D-cup blonde; Nicole, a 23 year old natual DD-cup (or E-cup) who currently has red hair; Ustina, in her early 20's who has short light brown hair with a face that looks younger; and Eva, a 30 year old with brown hair that goes down just below her shoulders (she doesn't look young, but she gives great head).

They are all from Poland, I have done mouth-to-mouth kissing with them all and have come on each of their faces. They often sit together on the vinyl-upholstered sofas just outside the dining area at FKK World.

(A black Brazilian woman going by the name of Viagra will also allow facials. You can usually spot her because she's got fake double D's, perfect for tit fucking).

I do the following when I fuck cleavage as described above with the intention of coming on the woman's face: I have an extra towel and put it just beyond the woman's head. If it's my first time with her, I try to explain that I will come on her mouth and cheeks and chin, but that I'll cover her eye's just before I start to come. Even with a language barrier, this can all be conveyed with hand gestures.

I came up with this after a woman at Atlantis claimed one of her co-workers had a swollen red eye for several hours after getting a guy's semen in her eye. I don't know if that was true, but I assume it puts the women more at ease if you have the towel there and really do cover their eyes as you start to come.

As for the cost, if you come on her face, she will naturally get some come on her lips (even if she keeps her lips together and mouth closed) and since I always get some come in her mouth, that's 50 Euro extra. So, for a 30 minute session (50 Euro) with a come facial, that comes to a total of 100 Euro for half an hour. A couple summers ago at Atlantis, I shot my load in a woman's cleavage and the semen went no where else (only on her breasts and in between) and she did not charge me extra. It was 30 minutes and only 50 Euro.

But it does seem to have become more common for the women to expect the extra 50 even if you come only on her boobs and get none of the semen even near her lips. I have not been in this situation recently so I don't know if it is considered standard to pay 50 extra for coming only on her boobs.

I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else about this: If you spend 30 minutes with a woman and come only on her boobs do you pay her 50 or 100 Euro?

Thanks

[Mark User]

A brief financial analysis of the effect of an entrance fee and per girl charges

This chart summarizes costs for Dietzenbach, Sauna world (Gorgeshausen), and Palace (Frankfurt). You can get the idea by looking at the CPG (Cost Per Girl) ratio as the number of girls increases. All prices in euros.

Dietz. Sauna World Palace
Ent. Fee, .5 hr: 50,30 30,50 65,50
Total CPG Total CPG Total CPG
Girl 1 80 80 80 80 115 115
Girl 2 110 55 130 65 165 83
Girl 3 140 47 180 60 215 72
Girl 4 170 43 230 58 265 66

Man, the 50% swing in the dollar is starting to hurt. Less than 2 years ago, it was 1 euro per $0.80 now it is $1.27 dollars per euro.

All of the places I have been have SOMEBODY worth spending time with. I am seeing worse and worse attitude and needing to do way too much work with some girls at most places. As always, YMMV, DSFDF.

Mark